Castro May Have Cancer
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You mean like how it has recently worked in Russia? The former USSR is awash in mafia. Wouldn't it be ironic if Cuba endured the mess of the Castro regime, only to return to something that reminds one of Batista.bbking said:We could always pray for a two for one. While I concede that Raul is the primary butcher of this regime - he is more open to business contacts with the west - maybe a little capitalism might change that country for the good.
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It all has to do with the US's attitude towards Cuba. Most other Western countires have business dealings with Cuba. Even some America companies have business dealings with Cuba.bbking said:We could always pray for a two for one. While I concede that Raul is the primary butcher of this regime - he is more open to business contacts with the west - maybe a little capitalism might change that country for the good.
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As an aside, the US government is freezing the bank accounts of non-American companies doing business in Cuba therefore allowing the American businesses there to become a monopoly.
The USSR has always been awash in mafia, even during Communism and MarxismAsterix said:You mean like how it has recently worked in Russia? The former USSR is awash in mafia.
First I have heard that there was any butchering being done in Cuba, at least not since the US back Batista regime in the '50s. Care to provide any further information to back up a ridiculous statement like this.bbking said:While I concede that Raul is the primary butcher of this regime -
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How so?bbking said:We could always pray for a two for one. While I concede that Raul is the primary butcher of this regime - he is more open to business contacts with the west - maybe a little capitalism might change that country for the good.
bbk
...mhmmm... and Fidel may have herpes A,B,C,D , hemorrhoids , bad breath , and hairy palms as well.Esco! said:
Back then they were called the KGB. They have traded their grey suits for pinstripes.Esco! said:The USSR has always been awash in mafia, even during Communism and Marxism
I was in Cuba later in 2005 for the first time. I had resisted going there as I could not justify being ion a resort with the lights on when the power often goes off for the cubans etc.
But the white sand beckoned and off we went. First, the people of Cuba are incredibly friendly. And, despite what we North Americans have been told quite happy.
I sat one afternoon and talked politics with the manager of the resort and his revalations were quite amazing.
The people of Cuba really like Castro. I mean reallyl like him! What they don't like is a system that likie ours is so incredibly political. Wages in Cuba are set by the profession, and to rise up the ranks in your job your family must be connected politcally. That and only that is waht they are pissed about in a very general sense.
They hav a medical system to be envied. Their schools are world class. Yes there is a mandatory military time when young. But that does not mean Military in the sense of army. If you are in school for agriculture then you will serve your time working for the Minisitry of Agriculture and so forth. The Cuban people do not mind that. They get paid and it's an education and most likely a job awaits at the end of your time.
The black market thrives as the costs of goods rises. With the average wage so low if your family is not connected it becomes a challenge to make ends meet simply due to the price certain goods are priced at.
If you make 400 Cuban peso's a month and shampoo is 50 pesos then you have a problem.
Thats why the resorts have such a problem with theft. Not from the guests but from the hotels. A chef can order a container of beef only to find it gone in the morning! Beef they can sell, your camera they cannot!
It's an interesting society. It wil be interesting to see whether the Cubans support Raul. But I do admire what they have accomplished on a certain level.
After the US embargo they they had to become somewhat self sufficient. And the did much to the US 's surprise. Many thought the embargo would kill them financially etc but Castro did maintain a lot of the staus quo.
It's a country where you admire some aspects of the political landscape yet despise other aspects.
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But the white sand beckoned and off we went. First, the people of Cuba are incredibly friendly. And, despite what we North Americans have been told quite happy.
I sat one afternoon and talked politics with the manager of the resort and his revalations were quite amazing.
The people of Cuba really like Castro. I mean reallyl like him! What they don't like is a system that likie ours is so incredibly political. Wages in Cuba are set by the profession, and to rise up the ranks in your job your family must be connected politcally. That and only that is waht they are pissed about in a very general sense.
They hav a medical system to be envied. Their schools are world class. Yes there is a mandatory military time when young. But that does not mean Military in the sense of army. If you are in school for agriculture then you will serve your time working for the Minisitry of Agriculture and so forth. The Cuban people do not mind that. They get paid and it's an education and most likely a job awaits at the end of your time.
The black market thrives as the costs of goods rises. With the average wage so low if your family is not connected it becomes a challenge to make ends meet simply due to the price certain goods are priced at.
If you make 400 Cuban peso's a month and shampoo is 50 pesos then you have a problem.
Thats why the resorts have such a problem with theft. Not from the guests but from the hotels. A chef can order a container of beef only to find it gone in the morning! Beef they can sell, your camera they cannot!
It's an interesting society. It wil be interesting to see whether the Cubans support Raul. But I do admire what they have accomplished on a certain level.
After the US embargo they they had to become somewhat self sufficient. And the did much to the US 's surprise. Many thought the embargo would kill them financially etc but Castro did maintain a lot of the staus quo.
It's a country where you admire some aspects of the political landscape yet despise other aspects.
M2
True, but I believe it has become much worse. I rely on my Ukrainian and Russian employees who have been with me several years and have all gone back to their homeland in the last few years for extended trips to visit family members left behind. All of them tell me it is far worse, and that capitalism in practice there is little more than who can loot the most.Esco! said:The USSR has always been awash in mafia, even during Communism and Marxism
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What Cubans don't like is the financial situation and the poverty facing their nation. When the Americans talk about Cuba, they act as though Cuba is the only country in the world facing poverty and they blame Fidel Castro and communism for this poverty. Meanwhile, Mexicans are so happy they are not communists that hundreds of thousands of them risk life and limb to hop over the border each and every day and go to the states... Lets face it, 80% of the world lives in poverty. If they are communist or capitalist, doesn't make a fucking difference. The top 20% of any society lives on the backs of the bottom 80%. Its just the way it breaks down.. Go ask any Jamaican, Guatemalan, Ecuadorian, Peruvian, pretty much any body from central central and south America and the caribbean and ask them if they give a shit if their country was communist or capitalist as long as they had something to eat, a place to sleep and some money in their pocket.
Castro is an easy target now that he's still alive. But I will bet my last dollar that Cuba is still going to be facing poverty long after Castro dies and the country inevitably turns capitalist. The only difference is the Americans will not give a shit when that time comes..
Castro is an easy target now that he's still alive. But I will bet my last dollar that Cuba is still going to be facing poverty long after Castro dies and the country inevitably turns capitalist. The only difference is the Americans will not give a shit when that time comes..
Asterix, with all due respect, do you have a better system aside from capitalism (or socialism)????Asterix said:True, but I believe it has become much worse. I rely on my Ukrainian and Russian employees who have been with me several years and have all gone back to their homeland in the last few years for extended trips to visit family members left behind. All of them tell me it is far worse, and that capitalism in practice there is little more than who can loot the most.
Should we all revert to Marxism and/or communism in your opinion???
bbking said:We could always pray for a two for one. While I concede that Raul is the primary butcher of this regime - he is more open to business contacts with the west - maybe a little capitalism might change that country for the good.
bbk
Still waiting bbking. Any documentation at all? Or just a figment of your imagination?Questor said:First I have heard that there was any butchering being done in Cuba, at least not since the US back Batista regime in the '50s. Care to provide any further information to back up a ridiculous statement like this.
You miss my point. It is our arrogance, well here in the US anyway, that we can simply plant the seeds of democracy and all will flourish. It doesn't work that way, and often introducing unbrideled capitalism where it didn't exist before can lead to disaster. I asked one of my guys the other day if he thought it possible that the various states in the former USSR could become truly democratic, and he said yeah, maybe in a couple hundred years or so.Esco! said:Asterix, with all due respect, do you have a better system aside from capitalism (or socialism)????
Should we all revert to Marxism and/or communism in your opinion???
Some truth to that, an Arab business man I dealt with said that democracy will never flourish in the Middle East (other then Israel), his reason was that that that particular area needs toAsterix said:I asked one of my guys the other day if he thought it possible that the various states in the former USSR could become truly democractic, and he said yeah, maybe in a couple hundred years or so.
be handled with a serious iron fist!!
