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Phil C. McNasty

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Nope denaturalization only applies to naturalized US citizens.
Green card holders and other visa holders are not US citizens, so there is no question of denaturalizing someone who isn't naturalized in the first place
Again, you're agreeing with me. This is right from the US immigration website:

 
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richaceg

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Yes, but green cards are congressionally approved laws and immigration statuses.
You cannot just deport green card holders, or even regular visa holders, for reasons like they are from third world countries or that they are not white.
They can only be deported if they commit crimes, fraud etc, and are convicted, then presented in immigration court and a removal order is issued, and after they have either exhausted their appeals or accepted the removal order.
Doing otherwise is morally reprehensible, illegal and unconstitutional.
You can deport green card holders if there is proof like fraud applications etc. I don't think Trump is deporting green card holders based on ethnicity.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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I don't think Trump is deporting green card holders based on ethnicity
Of course not. That would be illegal.

A person can however have their green card revoked if they're suspected of being a terrorist.
But you need strong evidence:


Yes, a U.S. green card can be revoked if a person is suspected of or found to have engaged in terrorism or related activities
. A green card, which grants lawful permanent residency, is a privilege that can be revoked if the holder's actions violate U.S. immigration laws.

The revocation process is a formal, legal proceeding handled in immigration court, where the government must present evidence to an immigration judge
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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I hope this settles the debate so we can move on:



4 grounds on which your green card can be revoked

On Behalf of David F. Vedder, P.A. | Jun 3, 2024 | Immigration Law
The USCIS regulates and oversees immigration matters in the United States, including issuing and maintaining green cards. While a green card means lawful permanent residency and the right to live and work in the U.S. indefinitely, it can be revoked.
Understanding the grounds upon which a green card can be revoked is important to better ensure compliance with immigration laws and maintain lawful permanent residency status in the United States.
1. Abandonment of permanent residence
If you are a green card holder and decide to live outside the United States for a long period without obtaining a reentry permit or without demonstrating intent to maintain permanent residence, your green card could be at risk of being revoked. The U.S. government expects green card holders to make the United States their primary place of residence, and failure to do so without proper authorization may be considered as abandoning lawful permanent residency status.
2. Fraudulent activities
Getting caught up in fraudulent activities related to obtaining or maintaining a green card can lead to its revocation. This includes providing falsified information or documents during the application process, such as misrepresenting employment history or marital status. Additionally, engaging in marriages of convenience solely to obtain immigration benefits is considered fraudulent and can result in the revocation of your status.
3. Criminal convictions
If you are convicted of certain crimes, your green card could be subject to revocation. These crimes typically include serious offenses such as drug trafficking, domestic violence or crimes involving moral turpitude. Even a single conviction for such offenses can trigger immigration consequences, potentially leading to the loss of lawful permanent residency status and removal from the United States.
4. Violation of immigration laws
Green card holders must adhere to all immigration laws and regulations while residing in the United States. Violating these laws, such as working without proper authorization, failing to maintain continuous residence or committing immigration fraud, can lead to the revocation of a green card.
If you are at risk of losing your permanent residency status or facing revocation of your green card, it’s essential to seek legal guidance.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Grounds for Revocation of Naturalization


A. Person Procures Naturalization Illegally

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if he or she procured naturalization illegally. Procuring naturalization illegally simply means that the person was not eligible for naturalization in the first place. Accordingly, any eligibility requirement for naturalization that was not met can form the basis for an action to revoke the naturalization of a person. This includes the requirements of residence, physical presence, lawful admission for permanent residence, good moral character, and attachment to the U.S. Constitution.[1]


Discovery that a person failed to comply with any of the requirements for naturalization at the time the person became a U.S. citizen renders his or her naturalization illegally procured. This applies even if the person is innocent of any willful deception or misrepresentation.[2]

B. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation[3]
1. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if there is deliberate deceit on the part of the person in misrepresenting or failing to disclose a material fact or facts on his or her naturalization application and subsequent examination.


In general, a person is subject to revocation of naturalization on this basis if:



  • The naturalized U.S. citizen misrepresented or concealed some fact;

  • The misrepresentation or concealment was willful;

  • The misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material; and

  • The naturalized U.S. citizen procured citizenship as a result of the misrepresentation or concealment.[4]

This ground of revocation includes omissions as well as affirmative misrepresentations. The misrepresentations can be oral testimony provided during the naturalization interview or can include information contained on the application submitted by the applicant. The courts determine whether the misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material. The test for materiality is whether the misrepresentations or concealment had a tendency to affect the decision. It is not necessary that the information, if disclosed, would have precluded naturalization.[5]

2. Membership or Affiliation with Certain Organizations

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization.[6] In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.[7]


The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the person’s naturalization.

C. Other than Honorable Discharge before Five Years of Honorable Service after Naturalization

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if:


  • The person became a U.S. citizen through naturalization on the basis of honorable service in the U.S. armed forces;[8]

  • The person subsequently separates from the U.S. armed forces under other than honorable conditions; and

  • The other than honorable discharge occurs before the person has served honorably for a period or periods aggregating at least five years.[9]
 
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richaceg

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Of course not. that would be illegal.

A person can however have their green card revoked if they're suspected of being a terrorist.
But you need strong evidence:

The amount of misinformation the left has done this year is horrendous...i mean..
-Trump is a Nazi and rounding up immigrants - Nazis didn't round up Jews to deport...lmao.
-Slotkin getting blased for her comments that National Guard will start shooting citizens...then 2 NG got shot.
They say you can't fix stupid...I wonder if you can fix TDS?
 

richaceg

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Grounds for Revocation of Naturalization


A. Person Procures Naturalization Illegally

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if he or she procured naturalization illegally. Procuring naturalization illegally simply means that the person was not eligible for naturalization in the first place. Accordingly, any eligibility requirement for naturalization that was not met can form the basis for an action to revoke the naturalization of a person. This includes the requirements of residence, physical presence, lawful admission for permanent residence, good moral character, and attachment to the U.S. Constitution.[1]


Discovery that a person failed to comply with any of the requirements for naturalization at the time the person became a U.S. citizen renders his or her naturalization illegally procured. This applies even if the person is innocent of any willful deception or misrepresentation.[2]

B. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation[3]
1. Concealment of Material Fact or Willful Misrepresentation

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if there is deliberate deceit on the part of the person in misrepresenting or failing to disclose a material fact or facts on his or her naturalization application and subsequent examination.


In general, a person is subject to revocation of naturalization on this basis if:



  • The naturalized U.S. citizen misrepresented or concealed some fact;

  • The misrepresentation or concealment was willful;

  • The misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material; and

  • The naturalized U.S. citizen procured citizenship as a result of the misrepresentation or concealment.[4]

This ground of revocation includes omissions as well as affirmative misrepresentations. The misrepresentations can be oral testimony provided during the naturalization interview or can include information contained on the application submitted by the applicant. The courts determine whether the misrepresented or concealed fact or facts were material. The test for materiality is whether the misrepresentations or concealment had a tendency to affect the decision. It is not necessary that the information, if disclosed, would have precluded naturalization.[5]

2. Membership or Affiliation with Certain Organizations

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if the person becomes a member of, or affiliated with, the Communist party, other totalitarian party, or terrorist organization within five years of his or her naturalization.[6] In general, a person who is involved with such organizations cannot establish the naturalization requirements of having an attachment to the Constitution and of being well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States.[7]


The fact that a person becomes involved with such an organization within five years after the date of naturalization is prima facie evidence that he or she concealed or willfully misrepresented material evidence that would have prevented the person’s naturalization.

C. Other than Honorable Discharge before Five Years of Honorable Service after Naturalization

A person is subject to revocation of naturalization if:


  • The person became a U.S. citizen through naturalization on the basis of honorable service in the U.S. armed forces;[8]

  • The person subsequently separates from the U.S. armed forces under other than honorable conditions; and

  • The other than honorable discharge occurs before the person has served honorably for a period or periods aggregating at least five years.[9]
 

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The amount of misinformation the left has done this year is horrendous...i mean..
-Trump is a Nazi and rounding up immigrants - Nazis didn't round up Jews to deport...lmao.
-Slotkin getting blased for her comments that National Guard will start shooting citizens...then 2 NG got shot.
They say you can't fix stupid...I wonder if you can fix TDS?
MAGA is getting more and more obvious about their goals.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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You have no idea what you're talking about. Read and learn:

Right, so for crimes, which is what I said.
Not because they are from third world countries or because they aren't white like Trump is saying.
You dont know what you are even posting, do you?
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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You're actually agreeing with me. If someone is charged with a serious crime their green card can be revoked.
Visa's can also be revoked for the same reasons
Again, you're agreeing with me. This is right from the US immigration website:

Sure. Being from the third world, or not being white, is not a crime.
Trump saying he will revoke visas, terminate green cards or denaturalize naturalized citizens for that reason, is illegal.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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He said he will deport everyone from the third world, the majority of which is non-white.
So yes, he means anyone non-white.
No, he said he will suspend immigration from the 3rd world.
That means people coming INTO the country!!

 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Show us where Trump said this
From @squeezer's post:
I will permanently pause migration from all Third World Countries to allow the U.S. system to fully recover......
There you go.
No, he said he will suspend immigration from the 3rd world.
That means people coming INTO the country!!

That is still racial targeting. And illegal.
And if he were to ban third world immigration, he will also deport anyone non-white. It is a fair assumption.
 
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