Cliff Ronning

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Yesterday afternoon, my S/O and I were shopping at a little strip mall not far from home. My guy nudged me in the ribs and said, "Hey look, there's Cliff Ronning."

I said, "That's great honey," followed by the inevitable "who's he?"

I was informed that Cliff Ronning used to be a star player with the Vancouver Canucks. There was a time when he was very famous around here but not yesterday. Nobody approached him for an autograph, nobody called out his name or pointed in his direction. Nobody except my S/O seemed to know or care who he was.

I wondered how he felt? I wondered how much he missed the adulation that comes with being a star player in this city?

When I was very young, my Dad had a friend that played for the BC Lions. Dad would occasionally take my brother and I to watch the team practise. I was about 7 and couldn't have cared less about football. After practise, the players would often make themselves available to sign autographs and pose for photographs with fans that had come out to watch them play. I wondered where those men were today? I wondered how they felt when people stopped asking for autographs or when they heard the whispers of people like me, asking quietly who the heck they were?

So many times you'd hear about some famous personality that would blow a gasket because someone had the audacity to ask for an autograph. They would tell every televison camera available about how hard it is to be famous, how they can't walk the street without being hounded like a rock star. "Just for one day," they would whine, "I wish I could just be left alone."

For Cliff Ronning, that day was yesterday.
 

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Cliff Ronning was a fairly average player and probably didn't get bothered much when he was playing. He played in the states alot too, down there nobody knows who hockey players are, they can live a very normal life away from the rink. Even in Canada they don't get bothered that much. Earlier this year Dallas Star security guards wouldn't let Eric Lindros into the rink because they didn't recognize him. Most peoples reaction to Cliff Ronning would be like your bf's, even in his playing days.
 

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guy27 said:
Cliff Ronning was a fairly average player and probably didn't get bothered much when he was playing..
I would have liked to meet Cliff Ronning, there was nothing average about him. Ronning entered the NHL listed at 5'7 160 (and magically grew an inch later in his career) and his offensive numbers and logevity were quite remarkable considering his physicall disadvantages.

A prime and healthy Ronning could be counted on for about a point per game - a great acomplishment considering most defenders needed only their fingertips to slow him down or pull him off the puck, and easily caught up to his short strides.

Even in his mid 30's and deep into the Trap era, Ronning was able to score at a respectable 60-point pace for the then-fledgeling Nashville Predators.

I think if Ronning were anywhere near the normal size of a modern NHL forward, he would have among the leading scorers of the 1990's.
 

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Lasttime said:
Interesting observation, Miss Takes. In my very young days there was a second-string Toronto Maple Leaf goalie named Ed Chadwick.

One summer a father/son roofing team arrived to work on my grandfather's cottage north of Toronto. The son was one Ed Chadwick, a hockey player who HAD to have a summer job because he couldn't make a living in "professional" sports.

My god, how things have changed. Now many pro athletes have their own entourage and generally don't sign autographs unless they get paid.

Those were innocent days . . I miss them!!:(

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Very true. I was just browsing the latest sports card collectors guide and saw an ad for an upcoming show (not the recent one in Toronto). For Ray Bourque to sign a regular item (card, picture, puck, etc.) you pay $80. For a bulky item like a jersey, it costs $110. Hey I know why they do it but it just takes the fun out of collecting.
 

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Toroz said:
I've done some carpentry work in the past for a couple of NHL players. Outside of the arena, they were both regular, down to earth guys living in what I would consider very average Toronto neighborhoods considering the salaries they likely made. There was certainly nothing "rock star" about their personalities either, both were very humble & friendly, and dealing with them was no different than dealing with anyone else.
How humble do you think Carmelo Anthony is? His signature is TC1, which stands for The Chosen One. Nothing like being in love with yourself is there. I don't think I will be standing in line with a C-Note waiting for him to scratch that on my program or picture. Eddie Shack used to sign a freaking 'X' on a dirty hot dog wrapper because he couldn't read or write and we all thought that was awesome. :D
 

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Yes, there are definately some pompous asses, especially in the NBA for some reason, but not all pro athletes are like that. The few NHL players that I've had the opportunity to meet anyway have all been decent guys.
I tend to agree with that. A lot of people will tell you hockey players are among the best of all the pro athletes to deal with. I have heard many a sports reporter say that.
 

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weddoes said:
And you trust what a sports reporter says?

Then there's the whole issue that most sports reporters are white and many of the athletes they interview are not... either black, Asian, latin or whatever...
Ah, ok .... thanks for your insight. :rolleyes:
 

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You have to be quite the pro-black racist to suggest that the average NBA player is as humble as the average NHL player. But I don't think that the reason for the lack of humility in the NBA is due to race, it is more the different cultures of the sports. Hockey values are so much based on team play, sacrificing for the team, taking a hit to make a pass, etc. In basketball, it is more individual efforts that are rewarded, particularly when there are rules against zone defences that encourage isolation plays. I also perceive that MLB is largely white, but not humble, as it is a very individual sport, where the NFL is quite black, but more humble, at least at some positions. Though not as humble as the NHL.
 

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I believe this post is about Cliff Ronning, and not about racism!!!!:rolleyes:

Guys, get back on track....

Weddoes what is your problem starting all this?
 

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The Bandit said:
I believe this post is about Cliff Ronning, and not about racism!!!!:rolleyes:

Guys, get back on track....

Weddoes what is your problem starting all this?
Well said. Just someone looking to stir things up.
 
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Back in the early 80's I had a summer job working in the pro shop of a golf course. The town had a fantastic summer hockey school and it was not uncommon to have some of the games greats participate in the school.

Since most hockey players play golf, I got to know many of them on a social level. Orville Tessier was my favourite (he was coaching the Blackhawks at the time), but most of the guys I met were top drawer.

My favourite encounter was when a guy came in alone and was looking for a game. I think it was the summer of '80 or '81 and I told him I was just about finished my shift and was thinking of playing myself. He said great, I'll wait for you. I knew he was from the hockey school but not all of the hockey school guys were NHL'ers.

At the time I was more interested in chasing girls than hockey so I wasn't as up on the NHL as I used to be. On the first tee he introduced himself as Dale and I never thought anymore about it. He was a pretty good golfer and about my age so we got along pretty well (and ended up playing about 5 more rounds together). About half way through the round he mentioned something about the people in Winnipeg.

That was when I clued in and said "You're Dale Hawerchuk!". He smiled and said "yeah". This was the summer he was voted rookie of the year and there was nothing pretentious about him. I told him I would have introduced myself as the rookie of the year!

Anyway, from my experiences of meeting professional hockey guys, they were down to earth and low key about their accomplishments (except for Kevin Lowe. I found him to be a bit of an arsehole).
 

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weddoes said:
Or someone with a different insight and point of view... but I won't disagree with you or give food for thought again. :rolleyes:
Well when you start throwing in that race bullshit, you are obviously looking to start something. Why is everything always about race with people like you? Don't bring that shit in here. Start your own thread.
 

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weddoes said:
And who cares about Cliff Ronning anyway?!?
Um.....normally how the board works, if you don't care about a thread, typically you don't comment in it. What I normally do is go into the thread, read it, if it doesn't interest me, I hit the green back arrow at the top left corner of the screen and that takes me back to the main board.:cool:
 

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guy27 said:
Cliff Ronning was a fairly average player and probably didn't get bothered much when he was playing. He played in the states alot too, down there nobody knows who hockey players are, they can live a very normal life away from the rink. Even in Canada they don't get bothered that much. Earlier this year Dallas Star security guards wouldn't let Eric Lindros into the rink because they didn't recognize him. Most peoples reaction to Cliff Ronning would be like your bf's, even in his playing days.
At the Training Camp in Ottawa for the 2004 World Cup security wouldn't let Martin Brodeur into the Complex because he didn't have proper ID. I had to go up to the security guard and escort Martin in using my ID.
 

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party_guy49 said:
At the Training Camp in Ottawa for the 2004 World Cup security wouldn't let Martin Brodeur into the Complex because he didn't have proper ID. I had to go up to the security guard and escort Martin in using my ID.
And just WHO are you?:confused:
 
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