Cost Of Iraq War
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Just imagine all the great things this money could do?
Yes, there is a cost, but there is benefits as well. Just thing of ll the jobs that are being kept and created.
How did Hitler solve the high unemployment in 1936?
Yes, there is a cost, but there is benefits as well. Just thing of ll the jobs that are being kept and created.
How did Hitler solve the high unemployment in 1936?
safe, not sorry
MW
You won't hear moaning like this at Halliburton, or other war profiteers' board rooms, I guarantee it!frasier said:Just imagine all the great things this money could do?
Yes, there is a cost, but there is benefits as well. Just thing of ll the jobs that are being kept and created.
MW
So, you see no scenerio where that war is necessary?Carcharias said:War as an investment? You're kidding, right?
Occam's Razor: the simplest available explanation that fits the known facts is likely the case.
The war was a huge violation of international law; had no purpose in terms of US national security, because Saddam posed no threat whatsoever at the time; except in the shortest of short terms, it didn't even benefit the American ally, Israel; and it has massivel destabilized the region, not to mention the world.
On the other hand: it follows the (aggressive) game plan of one of Bush's closer (if not closest) advisers, Paul Wolfowitz; it was an attempt to secure control of some of the world's largest petroleum reserves, executed by a government full of oil execs; it has resulted in huge profits for the firms that administration officials are closest to, especially Halliburton.
Investment or necessary war? You tell me.
MW
The war was a huge violation of international law; had no purpose in terms of US national security, because Saddam posed no threat whatsoever at the time; except in the shortest of short terms, it didn't even benefit the American ally, Israel; and it has massivel destabilized the region, not to mention the world.
On the other hand: it follows the (aggressive) game plan of one of Bush's closer (if not closest) advisers, Paul Wolfowitz; it was an attempt to secure control of some of the world's largest petroleum reserves, executed by a government full of oil execs; it has resulted in huge profits for the firms that administration officials are closest to, especially Halliburton.
Investment or necessary war? You tell me.
MW
One thing that I have never agreed about is that it has "massively destabilized the region". The region was already FUBAR'd. It's just that N.Americans (particularly Americans) did not look too closely as it did not affect us. Now we are looking at what's happening over there saying "WTF, this place is really fubar'd".... I do believe that this war pushed the agenda of many power brokers in the ME forward....maxweber said:Occam's Razor: the simplest available explanation that fits the known facts is likely the case.
The war was a huge violation of international law; had no purpose in terms of US national security, because Saddam posed no threat whatsoever at the time; except in the shortest of short terms, it didn't even benefit the American ally, Israel; and it has massivel destabilized the region, not to mention the world.
On the other hand: it follows the (aggressive) game plan of one of Bush's closer (if not closest) advisers, Paul Wolfowitz; it was an attempt to secure control of some of the world's largest petroleum reserves, executed by a government full of oil execs; it has resulted in huge profits for the firms that administration officials are closest to, especially Halliburton.
Investment or necessary war? You tell me.
MW
Actually, two things... I don't agree that there was no benefit to Israel...
I do agree that it was all about oil, and big oil and construction companies..
More like a training ground for WWII, where Nazi Germany could test out some of their nifty new machines on the populace to see how they worked. The war was an inevitability regardless of the civil war in Spain.DonQuixote said:There's a fragile stability in the Mideast region.
There could be a massive destabilization in the
region when other countries start interfering in
the internal politics of Iraq. Iran, Turkey and
the region could easily result in major conflict.
Recall, the Spanish Civil War was a prelude to
WWII. It destabilized the region and some
argue it was a major contributor to WWII.
To me, what is more important, is the cost in human lives: 2500 US soldiers dead, who knows how many maimed, and somewhere around 660,000 dead Iraqis.Mcluhan said:
The children of Bush and Cheney were not hurt, though.
Here's the thing about getting worse... the worse things get, the better there is the opportunity for turning it around. I am a firm believer that many people need things to get worse before they recognize that they need to make changes before things get better. Human nature seems to be to resist change.... I have talked to many people from all parts of the world and quite a few from the M.E. Once you get past the standard lines, and delve into their real feelings, you often find some pretty messed up ideas about how the world should be... the worse thing is that those people do not seem to realize how messed up their ideas sound...DonQuixote said:It can always get worse.
I have spent most of my life worrying that certain things could happen to me.. they still happened, and I found out that it was not nearly so bad... I realized that I wasted all that time worrying for nothing...
This ME conflict sucks, but as long as we don't blow the world up, or cause irrepairable damage to the environment, it's not going to be that bad...
I am as well. That's why I figured it was for the best that the GOP won in 2004, and why it may still be a good thing if they win again this year.I am a firm believer that many people need things to get worse before they recognize that they need to make changes before things get better.
The GOP will spit in your face and tell you it's raining, and the Dems will promise to spit in your face if they are elected (and of course, people will accept the DEMS face spitting because if the "soft left" is spitting in your face, then they must be doing it for a "bleeding heart" reason.)
When there is a party that actually stands for what is right, rather than what "isn't liberal", then maybe it will be time for a change, so things can actually get "better", and not just a case of putting in a different PR man for US imperialism and hegemony.
That's a lot of pork, where's the beef?
Who's campaigning on this fact?! Where's the beef!!!
Being a number's guy I had to verify your claim:
World Factbook: Population of Iraq: 26,074,906 (July 2005 est.) (less 600,000 of course) divided into 337 billion is.. $12,719 per head
take into consideration the fact that the destruction wrecked upon the country is probably at least a loss of 600 billion in infrastructure costs.. the total balance sheet loss to humanity in the country is about equal to the personal debit of each American, on average, $38,000.
No wonder Bush's daughter just recently bought a big ranch in Paraguay... they are going to need a place to run and hide. He'll be safe among the old Nazi's there...maybe for awhile...
Wow...what an astute observation...certainly took me aback!Hobbit said:I find it incredible that it amounts to approximately $13,000.00 for each Iraqi citizen
Who's campaigning on this fact?! Where's the beef!!!
Being a number's guy I had to verify your claim:
World Factbook: Population of Iraq: 26,074,906 (July 2005 est.) (less 600,000 of course) divided into 337 billion is.. $12,719 per head
take into consideration the fact that the destruction wrecked upon the country is probably at least a loss of 600 billion in infrastructure costs.. the total balance sheet loss to humanity in the country is about equal to the personal debit of each American, on average, $38,000.
No wonder Bush's daughter just recently bought a big ranch in Paraguay... they are going to need a place to run and hide. He'll be safe among the old Nazi's there...maybe for awhile...
