Damn seems some reporters were killed

[papasmerf]

Ok i am over it

Hey boss send me into the hot zone.



you kidding????? you will be killed.

Na!!!!! I just report the fact who would mistake me for a combatant.


Or better yet what renegade group would use me for cover????

 

[Liminal]

Funny, that's how I think when I see American soldiers wounded or killed

Except I would write it this way:

Ok i am over it

Hey boss send me into the hot zone.


you kidding????? you will be killed.

Na!!!!! I just want to kill men, women, and children myself!.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: Funny, that's how I think when I see American soldiers wounded or killed

Na!!!!! I just want to kill men, women, and children myself!.

Ah....extremists!

Can't live with em....
Can't kill em.....

War is hell! No one is safe. Not the child in his/her bed, not the soldier on the battlefield, not the doctor in the hospital and most certainly not the reporters. Place yourself in danger and you could loose your own life.

Every reporter knows this and I am sure that the ones in the hotel knew of the danger there. Al Jazera crying foul when they were "mistakenly" tarketed holds no significance when they failed to report the innocent Iraqi's being used as human sheilds. They were merely discribed as Martyrs for the cause.

 

[KBear]

It becomes especially dangerous work for the cameraman when he is filming with a large shoulder mount camera during a tank battle.

 

[gryfin]

US Soldiers not there by choice?

When did the draft come back?

 

[Cardinal Fang]

It becomes especially dangerous work for the cameraman when he is filming with a large shoulder mount camera during a tank battle.

A reporter for the London BBC service once commented that everytime he held up his camera to film what was going on in the Gaza Strip that he ran the risk of being shot. At first he didn't understand how that could be until he was passed a photograph taken by an AP reportor weeks later. In the picture he was shown in the distance with his shoulder mounted camera take video of the situation. He was astonished at how is camera could be mistaken for a weapon from a distance.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: Re: Re: Funny, that's how I think when I see American soldiers wounded or killed

Again you seem to support the death penalty for petty offences: Death to a 25 year old girl for simply blocking an Israeli army bulldozer. Death to anyone who even reports events differently than you would like. And, naturally, death to those who even share a building with the aforementioned reporter. BTW it is Al Jazeera.

Not at all nearlynormal....

If getting in front of a bulldozer is a petty offense in a area of extreme conflict then I would hate to see what a serious offense is to you.

My comments about the girl simply asked what role she played in her own death. I ask the same of all reporters where ever they may be. What they are reporting is irrelivant because I understand that there is more than one side to every story. Whether it be someone from Al Jazeera (thank you for the correction) or someone from CNN matters not to me. I am simply questioning the position they have put themselves into and what responsibility they bear when it comes to their injuries or death.

 

[train]

I have generally been supportive of the war even though some casualties amonst civilian was inevitable . The logic was based on an assumption that the existing regime disposed of more civilians than that on an annual basis ( which I suppose may or may not be true ).

To be so cavalier about the deaths , as the starter of this thread is, strikes me as at best distasteful . Any creedence given to any future comments from this source will basically be zero .

 

[gryfin]

papasmerf and WhOiSyOdAdDy - one and the same?

papasmerf is in good company. Look at this quote form WhOiSyOdAdDy (03-21-2003 07:13 PM) regarding Rachel Corrie:

"I got a laugh a few days ago... an american protestor in Gaza is protesting the isreali treatment of the palestinians... Isrealis were going to bulldoze a residence... she decides to stand in front of the bulldozer... was given many warnings to move... before he ran her over... and she died... I guess she got what she wanted... died to defend her cause...hehehe "

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Funny, that's how I think when I see American soldiers wounded or killed

Of the two crimes, his was infinitely greater than hers yet all you could do was to repeatedly point out that she was foolish and partly responsible for her own death. So far you've not said a word against the murderer.

For the record Nearlynormal, the moron that ran over and killed the inocent person with the bulldozer is an animal. He should be charged and I would venture to say...run over himself. Of course his actions were more distasteful than hers. That goes without saying. Neither one of the individuals involved in the situation were thinking straight. As I noted in my original post, the two sides have been agruing and at each others throats for so long they have little regard for each other. Just as the suicide bomber has no regard for the innocent people in a crowded market, the Israli military has no regard for the innocent people in the settlements. Was her death there to highlight the crimes against the Palastinians? Was she actually trying to stop the bulldozer? HER DEATH SERVED NO PURPOSE but to fan the flames.

All reporters have the right to report whatever they want and whenever they want. By placing themselves in harms way to get the story they run the risk of getting hurt. A war zone is not the safe place. How on earth can you talk about a sence of proportion! ITS WAR. What since of proportion exists when your are killing people? These people are killing each other over a piece of dirt for Gods sake. There is more than enough blame to go around on all sides.

To stick your head outside when its raining and think your not going to get wet is warped!

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

You must be kidding me...

Papasmerf,

There has got to be a mistake here...did you mean your comments tongue in cheek. There is no reason that tank should have fired on the Palestine hotel...NONE..no excuse whatsover. One of the reasons we are losing so few tanks is that the Iraqis have nothing that can seriously damage our armour. Even if they thought somebody was firing from the Palestine Hotel, the person there had nothing doing any damage. They had to know that hotel had journalists. With all the briefings and rules of engagement concerning sparing of civilian lives, these guys blew it.

As for Racheal Corrie, shit like that doesn't happen in a so called democracy. The woman should have been arrested, no bulldozed. The driver of that bulldozer would be charged with at least manslaughter here in the US. He had absolutely no right to bulldoze her, and for that matter hadn't performed due process to allow a bulldozing of the house in question. Those kinds of gross violations of Palestinian rights are performed everyday in Isreal. You need to be a jew to be a real citizen.

EBS

 

[KBear]

Re: You must be kidding me...

Papasmerf,

-There is no reason that tank should have fired on the Palestine hotel...NONE..no excuse whatsover. One of the reasons we are losing so few tanks is that the Iraqis have nothing that can seriously damage our armour.

-He had absolutely no right to bulldoze her, and for that matter hadn't performed due process to allow a bulldozing of the house in question.
EBS

The US has lost several tanks and armoured personal carriers. Lots of US soldiers have died in Iraq. The idea that people being shot at, in a strange city, would know exactly their position, and everything around them is wishful thinking. The guys in the tanks most likely identified the direction the fire was coming from, looked up through the smoke and saw what looked like someone pointing a tow missile launcher at them, and took the shot.


The story of the girl is sad, but the lesson is, do not stand in front of moving military equipment. Once the equipment is stopped, it becomes an easy target.

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

kBear,

We may have lost a couple of tanks and bradleys period. If we were in a real war with a capable adversary, we'd have lost a bunch. To date we've lost 96 soldiers, 81 to hostilities. The Brits I believe have lost 31, only 9 to hostilities, the rest to friendly fire.
We've killed MOST of those guys, and from their own words several of the situations were avoidable. I respect the Brits, they don't bellyache and whine like the Cannucks.

Nope...I am just not convinced they had to take that shot. They knew full well that they were firing at the Palestine hotel. The smoke didn't affect their aim, so it definitely didn't affect their recognition of the building.

EBS

 

[papasmerf]

train and gryfin

My attitude about death is far from cavilier. To enter a HOT ZONE is to risk being killed. And any reporter enbeded with the American Armed Forces, will tel you this. Each and every reporter had to go to a BOOT CAMP of sorts. To be in a live fire zone is dangerous and simply put you can die.

When you combine this with the fact the soliders of the iraqis have a recent history of using human shields; the use of reporters would be expected. Now if you think a statment of fact is callose then so be it. But if you find it a personal flaw in me then you need to examine yourself. As when we find flaws with others it is to prevent us for seeing ourselfs.

 

[monkeylove]

As for Racheal Corrie, shit like that doesn't happen in a so called democracy. The woman should have been arrested, no bulldozed. The driver of that bulldozer would be charged with at least manslaughter here in the US. EBS

First I think that most of these bulldozer drivers are in the military. Second, do you remember the Kent State U shooting? Not in a democracy, eh?

As when we find flaws with others it is to prevent us for seeing ourselfs.

Using your logic:

You must be worse than Saddam Hussein.

My real point is that all this bickering is pointless! Words can always be twisted to make the point we want to make.

The US will prevail in Iraq, and rule the world; so lets look at the positive side. Gas will be cheaper.

 

[papasmerf]

Using your logic:

You must be worse than Saddam Hussein.

Oh GOD NO!

When you are 6 inches tall and blue you are more then alittle aware of your flaws.

 

[onthebottom]

Here here

....

To be so cavalier about the deaths , as the starter of this thread is, strikes me as at best distasteful . Any creedence given to any future comments from this source will basically be zero .

Death is not funny, ever.

OTB

 

[papasmerf]

OTB

I agree that death is never funny.

And for those who were offended by this post I apolygize.

I do however believe that one needs to realize that being in a hot zone is dangerous.

Traditionally you would have forward or front lines. You would also have rear lines or safe areas for bivouac, MASH units and further back you have Stragic command.

This operation is fully mobile and the lines have no true defination. But is is safe to say that infront of the advancing force is not the place to bivouac.

 

[wumpscut]

Re: US Soldiers not there by choice?

When did the draft come back?

Any U.S. soldier who joined the military thinking he'd only ever have to defend his country rather than "free" another country and as a result has to risk his life in a place he does not want to be, would be there(in Iraq) NOT BY CHOICE! Read it s-l-o-w-e-r if the concept is too hard to understand.
In this same thread you act all offended that Whoisyourdaddy was less than sympathetic about Rachel Corey's death. Yet I think I remember you stating a while back that targeting Isreali children was a reasonable tactic and that even children are guilty of something (when did being born become a "crime" worthy of death by bombing?)if they are from Isreal. Why is Rachel Corey's death more of a crime that the blowing up of kids? Know what human life is sacred? ALL human life is sacred! Death is a bad thing ALWAYS. Doesn't matter which side it's on. If some crazed Palistinian was sitting beside YOU on the TTC, blowing up Canadians (you in particular, as he's sitting beside you) because he does not like that our country is good friends with U.S., would you feel that's OK?

 

[gryfin]

Last time I looked, joining the military was voluntary

In other words, you have to make a choice to join. You can read this fast, slow, backwards or upside down and the meaning will be the same.

To buy what you're saying, I'd have to believe that the majority of recruits have no idea that by voluntarily joining the military they will be obligated to go wherever and do whatever their leaders choose. That's patently false. People voluntarily join knowing this. Therefore it's their choice. There is no draft - people voluntarily choose this situation for themselves.

As for your assertions that I'm in favour of Israeli children being killed, that's a fiction of your mind. If you can find any post where I state that I believe that targeting children of any country is a reasonable tactic, I'll answer you. Otherwise you should make an admission that you've overstated your case and move on.

I will say this; I don't think parents who love their children would ever locate them in a place where there is daily murder, assassination and humiliation. But that's what settler families do on the West Bank and Gaza. I also think it's absurd that any Israeli citizen can feel separate from the actions of a murderous government and military carrying out policies that they support.

As far as a crazed Palestinian goes, I'm just as wary of lunatic Israeli's who have an even greater disregard for human life than Palestinians. I'm also not worried about a Palestinian blowing me up on a bus because I'm not participating in the daily murder, assassination, and humiliation of his people. If I was, I'd get myself and my family out of the country - that is, unless I supported that policy.