Deposit policy poll?

[doggystyle99]

Since I was reading this new deposit policy from an SP it got me thinking how many of you hobbyists are willing to make a deposit to see any SP.
The poll is either YES you would leave a deposit to book an appointment with an SP or NO you would not leave a deposit to book an appointment with an SP.

I ask that SP`s indies or agencies not cast their vote in this poll.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?442859-New-Deposit-Policy-for-Incalls

 

[dreamblade]

I'll paste what I wrote in the thread dealing with this in the incall section:

First off, anyone who has ever dealt with E-Transfers knows you can use a generic yahoo/gmail/hotmail account, that does not tie into your identity in any way, unless you're dumb enough to enter some of it in signing up. Lots of hobbyists use burner phones, getting a throw-away email address is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper.

Second, Alanna, on top of being one of the most reliable Companions I have ever met in the industry, is also on the forefront of legitimizing sex work. You wouldn't have any trouble doing an E-Transfer to a caterer, a contractor, or a musician playing at your wedding, this is no different. It ensures both sides honour the contract, where, let's be honest, people flake out on in this industry. Alanna's reputation as a high-end, great service, responsible, and reliable provider has been established for at least four years (that I know of), she has nothing to prove. You, the new client coming to see her, have much to prove.

As she said: No-shows are a huge irritant in her line of business, as she decreases her availability, can you blame her for ensuring the appointments she makes do go through?

Fourth: Yes, she will advertise here, because TERB is the hub of the Hobby here in TO. People from all walks of life come here first to see who's available. However, I can guarantee that no one in this thread has seen her, or you wouldn't bring up the innane arguments you have. It is well known that you can't paint all SP's with the same brush, but yet you're quoting scenarios THAT HAVE NEVER HAPPENED WITH ALANNA.

Lastly: It's her business model. Kudos to her for bringing it into the way we do business in 2013. Don't like it, don't book. I, for one, respect and applaud her efforts.

 

[whatsinaname]

Good Reply DreamBlade. I will second that. I don't know if TERB is 100% the best place for the majority to see her. It all depends on how much she gets vrs her advertising dollars. But I think that some advertising avenues cater to different markets in better ways and TERB may be to broad a place for the niche she is filling. However, you have added a completely other dynamic to the case with her stance on sex work and its legitimacy as a business. Which I believe is very very valid. I also know first hand that email money transfers are very do-able with respect to privacy. I agree with her reputation as well. I wish her luck in this en devour and believe that will be just as successful for her as the rest of her career has been.

Another thought is those relationships that are exclusive, paid mistress companionship. Many times things paid for a different times then dates/sex actually happens. There is more from the P4P world then just strippers, parlors girls and escorts. It is not just a cash business either. There are a lot of arguments being made against this that are against her as escort for doing this instead of just being what it is. Not a transaction that the gentlemen is comfortable. Which is fine, but for some reason, it is taken as rejection of some type and therefore blame is being placed where there need not be. You don't want to see her, great. You are not the type of person she is looking for. There is nothing wrong with that.

I will add that the poll in itself is unfairly worded. In both cases you are privileged to book an appointment if you feel that appointment itself is a privilege. You are not gaining more by leaving a deposit which is what you are implying. That someone one is to appear to be worth more therefore it has a privilege which is simply not the case. So to even start the thread off in the bias is wrong in my opinion.

 

[doggystyle99]

I'll paste what I wrote in the thread dealing with this in the incall section:

First off, anyone who has ever dealt with E-Transfers knows you can use a generic yahoo/gmail/hotmail account, that does not tie into your identity in any way, unless you're dumb enough to enter some of it in signing up. Lots of hobbyists use burner phones, getting a throw-away email address is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper.

Second, Alanna, on top of being one of the most reliable Companions I have ever met in the industry, is also on the forefront of legitimizing sex work. You wouldn't have any trouble doing an E-Transfer to a caterer, a contractor, or a musician playing at your wedding, this is no different. It ensures both sides honour the contract, where, let's be honest, people flake out on in this industry. Alanna's reputation as a high-end, great service, responsible, and reliable provider has been established for at least four years (that I know of), she has nothing to prove. You, the new client coming to see her, have much to prove.

As she said: No-shows are a huge irritant in her line of business, as she decreases her availability, can you blame her for ensuring the appointments she makes do go through?

Fourth: Yes, she will advertise here, because TERB is the hub of the Hobby here in TO. People from all walks of life come here first to see who's available. However, I can guarantee that no one in this thread has seen her, or you wouldn't bring up the innane arguments you have. It is well known that you can't paint all SP's with the same brush, but yet you're quoting scenarios THAT HAVE NEVER HAPPENED WITH ALANNA.

Lastly: It's her business model. Kudos to her for bringing it into the way we do business in 2013. Don't like it, don't book. I, for one, respect and applaud her efforts.

My poll is not directed at only Alanna but rather directed at any SP that has a deposit policy. Sounds like you trying to be a white knight.
As for Alanna she can have any business model she chooses but ultimately its her clients that choose if her business model is successfull or not. For every 1 person who thinks like you as wanting to be her white knight and her customer there are 10 others that think the exact opposite.

 

[doggystyle99]

Good Reply DreamBlade. I will second that. I don't know if TERB is 100% the best place for the majority to see her. It all depends on how much she gets vrs her advertising dollars. But I think that some advertising avenues cater to different markets in better ways and TERB may be to broad a place for the niche she is filling. However, you have added a completely other dynamic to the case with her stance on sex work and its legitimacy as a business. Which I believe is very very valid. I also no first hand that email money transfers are very do-able with respect to privacy. I agree with her reputation as well. I wish her luck in this en devour and believe that will be just as successful for her as the rest of her career has been.

I will add that the poll in itself is unfairly worded. In both cases you are privileged to book an appointment if you feel that appointment itself is a privilege. You are not gaining more by leaving a deposit which is what you are implying. That someone one is to appear to be worth more therefore it has a privilege which is simply not the case. So to even start the thread off in the bias is wrong in my opinion.

Again this is not specifically directed at Alanna but rather at any SP who is asking for a deposit for her appointment.
My concern for any SP as I stated in the other thread would be the following.
I would never ever leave a deposit with an SP for an appointment for quite a few different reasons.
1. What if the SP decides not to see you and does not refund your money.
2. What if the SP decides to make quite a few appointments for that day but has no intention of ever seeing any of those customers and takes off with all of our money and moves to another country.
3. What if the appointment does need to be cancelled due to an emergency and because the SP has your deposit you lose it.
4. Why would I provide personal credit card information and private information to an SP. (its not like sex scandals have never happened before and this just makes it a lot easier for people to acquire your information and use it against you for blackmail)
5. What if you make a deposit, book and appointment and show up at your appointment and at the door she is not as advertised or she is not to your taste are you willing to leave without your depoist back or is she willing to give you your deposit back, or does she think she deserves to keep your money without providing any services.

Shit does happen to everyone and in all aspects of business, companies and people cancel appointments or contracts on one another all the time, and I can speak for myself in the business world if a supplier of mine wanted to change the terms of my agreement with him and get me to provide deposits due to the fact that someone else had cancelled a contract on him I would look elsewhere to do my business with my terms.

There are too many excellent providers who do not do ask for stuff like this that infringes on your discretion. She is definitely off my TDL.

To all those that think this is ok for an SP to do good for you keep booking your appointments with her but when any of the above mentioned happens to you do not wonder why the SP did this to you wonder to yourself why you were so naive to think something like this would not happen (its not like the points above has never happened)

 

[whatsinaname]

My poll is not directed at only Alanna but rather directed at any SP that has a deposit policy. Sounds like you trying to be a white knight.
As for Alanna she can have any business model she chooses but ultimately its her clients that choose if her business model is successfull or not. For every 1 person who thinks like you as wanting to be her white knight and her customer there are 10 others that think the exact opposite.

So what? She clearly state she is looking for 1 client. Not 10. So why does anything you just said matter? Why is he a white knight for bringing up valid points regarding her? If he is WKing, then you present that she is somehow in need of it because she is doing something wrong? Why do you try to make it appear as if she is wrong for what she is doing? Why to do you make it appear that only having 1 client a day is not considered successful?

As for your add on. That is fine. You are not comfortable. No one is forcing you. No one is judging you. You have your valid reasons for you. Therefore you are not the type of client she wants. I don't understand why this is so hard. You don't want her, she doesn't want you. Why are you not happy about that? Why are you somehow now seemingly offended?

 

[dreamblade]

My poll is not directed at only Alanna but rather directed at any SP that has a deposit policy. Sounds like you trying to be a white knight.
As for Alanna she can have any business model she chooses but ultimately its her clients that choose if her business model is successfull or not. For every 1 person who thinks like you as wanting to be her white knight and her customer there are 10 others that think the exact opposite.

Yet you brought this poll up when Alanna announced her new form of transaction. Yes, it can be applied to other indies, agencies, not so much. Different clientele. However my arguments stand: E-transfers are secure and not compromising in the client's identity at all. Second, when you have an established reputation of several years, why be accused of things done by others?

As far as being a WK, I have no stake in this, other than to inform you of your false assumptions. I have a huge respect for Alanna as a fellow sex work advocate and industry friend, but beyond that I don't care who books her or doesn't.

 

[doggystyle99]

So what? She clearly state she is looking for 1 client. Not 10. So why does anything you just said matter? Why is he a white knight for bringing up valid points regarding her? If he is WKing, then you present that she is somehow in need of it because she is doing something wrong? Why do you try to make it appear as if she is wrong for what she is doing? Why to do you make it appear that only having 1 client a day is not considered successful?

As for your add on. That is fine. You are not comfortable. No one is forcing you. No one is judging you. You have your valid reasons for you. Therefore you are not the type of client she wants. I don't understand why this is so hard. You don't want her, she doesn't want you. Why are you not happy about that? Why are you somehow now seemingly offended?

Again since you failed to read the first post and that last post, this post is not directed at Alanna but rather at any SP who feels she need to have a deposit policy.
I am also not trying to make it appear what she is trying to do is wrong, what I am trying to say is that there would be a lot of issues with asking for a deposit up front and not knowing in specific cases if that deposit would be returned if the appointment is not followed though with.
BTW I just looked at your posting history and there is not a single review of any SP in your history so why does anything you say matter?? As for assuming I am not the client she wants you are not her and you can't make that decision for her but as a member on TERB who actually does see SP's and does post reviews any SP with a deposit policy is not someone I would book an appointment with. I don't understand why this is so hard and it matters to you.

 

[whatsinaname]

Again since you failed to read the first post and that last post, this post is not directed at Alanna but rather at any SP who feels she need to have a deposit policy.
I am also not trying to make it appear what she is trying to do is wrong, what I am trying to say is that there would be a lot of issues with asking for a deposit up front and not knowing in specific cases if that deposit would be returned if the appointment is not followed though with.
BTW I just looked at your posting history and there is not a single review of any SP in your history so why does anything you say matter?? As for assuming I am not the client she wants you are not her and you can't make that decision for her but as a member on TERB who actually does see SP's and does post reviews any SP with a deposit policy is not someone I would book an appointment with. I don't understand why this is so hard and it matters to you.

And more defense instead of answering valid questions. You appear defensive, offended and therefore retaliating in your choice of wording regarding her or "any" SP. Which then makes it appear as she is wrong and you are right.

I will however do that for you what you did not do for me and then maybe you can try again to answer mine in return.

so why does anything you say matter?? To suggest that I can not have a valid opinion because you have yet to see a review produced in the month I have been here is wrong on so many levels. Besides being full of assumptions, it is a clear attempt at deflection to my opinion. Which would not be needed if you did not feel threaten by the validity that my opinions hold. So it does matter, simply because you already think it does and are defensive of it. That is just naturally coming across from you. Which you will of course deny.

However the technical aspect that you can't deny is, you brought this to the public lounge for debate, you invited the opinion of the public. Therefore you gave my say meaning by allowing the openness of the floor to which we now debate.

As for assuming I am not the client she wants you are not her and you can't make that decision. Not really a question but I will respond. I am not making an assumption. I know you are not the type of client that she wants. How do I know? Because she wants a client that will pay a 35% deposit that you are not willing to pay. That automatically makes you a person that she does not want to see. Now please tell me why you are so offended by that? She doesn't want you as a client, you don't want her as an escort? Why is this an issue?

Lastly, I think this is about her because she has clearly publicly advertised it and is breaking somewhat new ground here. Not completely, this is done in high-end and exclusive arrangements all the time. However for TERB, it is kinda new. So I believe it is 100% about her and then possibly the latter later on if more ladies adopt this policy.

 

[doggystyle99]

Yet you brought this poll up when Alanna announced her new form of transaction. Yes, it can be applied to other indies, agencies, not so much. Different clientele. However my arguments stand: E-transfers are secure and not compromising in the client's identity at all. Second, when you have an established reputation of several years, why be accused of things done by others?

As far as being a WK, I have no stake in this, other than to inform you of your false assumptions. I have a huge respect for Alanna as a fellow sex work advocate and industry friend, but beyond that I don't care who books her or doesn't.

I respect your opinion and you have yours and I have mine and hope you respect mine. I for one am not willing to give more information to any SP or to go out of my way to book an appointment with any SP after all I am the paying customer and I am the one that can choose to support her business model or just ignore it.
BTW any sort of electronic transfer is not as secure as you think it is even with a dummy email address, as it is always attached to some sort of bank account, credit card.
But if you do know of one that has no attachment at all and you can deposit money into it without providing any sort of identification, credit card, or bank account please let me know.

 

[fuji]

No way in hell am I leaving any record of my activities in my bank statement. Never.

This is a cash business.

 

[fuji]

Yet you brought this poll up when Alanna announced her new form of transaction. Yes, it can be applied to other indies, agencies, not so much. Different clientele. However my arguments stand: E-transfers are secure and not compromising in the client's identity at all. Second, when you have an established reputation of several years, why be accused of things done by others?

As far as being a WK, I have no stake in this, other than to inform you of your false assumptions. I have a huge respect for Alanna as a fellow sex work advocate and industry friend, but beyond that I don't care who books her or doesn't.

You are living in a dream world if you think that the transfers don't compromise identity.

Someone tracing them from the bank account will quickly find the destination email address, Google that, and game over.

 

[fuji]

On top of that you are assuming that no one at the bank would leak the transaction details and they CAN see the whole picture beyond the email addresses, connecting both bank accounts with full identities. Now you are exposed to some whistleblower at the bank getting angry about prostitution, or any other leak of the banks data, such as when all those overseas accounts got leaked. Or some police investigation seeking witnesses if there is ever any connection to other crime.

 

[dreamblade]

I respect your opinion and you have yours and I have mine and hope you respect mine. I for one am not willing to give more information to any SP or to go out of my way to book an appointment with any SP after all I am the paying customer and I am the one that can choose to support her business model or just ignore it.
BTW any sort of electronic transfer is not as secure as you think it is even with a dummy email address, as it is always attached to some sort of bank account, credit card.
But if you do know of one that has no attachment at all and you can deposit money into it without providing any sort of identification, credit card, or bank account please let me know.

I do respect your opinion, which is why I answered. I'm just pointing out certain false assumptions you are using in your arguments. As for security, there are several ways, tech and old school, that your can be traceable or untraceable, but it does require effort. The world's greatest lock can be defeated by the world's greatest thief, and vice versa. But neither you nor I are in this hobby for safety reasons.

I think Alona said it best:

Deposits should only be given to girls who have a solid reputation for being fair and professional towards the men she sees.

So yeah, use your judgement!

 

[fuji]

I do respect your opinion, which is why I answered. I'm just pointing out certain false assumptions you are using in your arguments. As for security, there are several ways, tech and old school, that your can be traceable or untraceable, but it does require effort. The world's greatest lock can be defeated by the world's greatest thief, and vice versa. But neither you nor I are in this hobby for safety reasons.

I think Alona said it best:

So yeah, use your judgement!

You cannot make a bank transfer untraceable. Period. The bank can trace it.

 

[Terminax]

Hell no, no way no how would I ever leave a deposit with a SP. If my cash isn't good enough for an SP, there's plenty of other SPs out there who'll take it instead.

 

[dreamblade]

You are living in a dream world if you think that the transfers don't compromise identity.

Someone tracing them from the bank account will quickly find the destination email address, Google that, and game over.

Anyone that dedicated to destroying your reputation would find it easier and cheaper to physically follow you, than to track your email address (that is only used for hobbying purposes) though the type of encryption https has. You are not Jason Bourne. Get over it.

On top of that you are assuming that no one at the bank would leak the transaction details and they CAN see the whole picture beyond the email addresses. Now you are exposed to some whistleblower at the bank getting angry about prostitution, or any other leak of the banks data, such as when all those overseas accounts got leaked.

Seriously dude... these Tom Clancy scenarios will not happen to you. And if you're that at risk, don't play the game.

 

[fuji]

Anyone that dedicated to destroying your reputation would find it easier and cheaper to physically follow you, than to track your email address (that is only used for hobbying purposes) though the type of encryption https has. You are not Jason Bourne. Get over it.

Seriously dude... these Tom Clancy scenarios will not happen to you. And if you're that at risk, don't play the game.

You think my wife doesn't have access to my bank statements or that trying to hide a bank account from her is wise?

You are completely blind to the enormous risks this creates that cash transactions simply do not have.

Data leaks are unfortunately not Tom Clancy either but rather commonplace, as all those who were exposed by the giant leak of overseas account information found out.

No. Way. In. Hell.

This is the stupidest idea I have ever heard of.

 

[doggystyle99]

I do respect your opinion, which is why I answered. I'm just pointing out certain false assumptions you are using in your arguments. As for security, there are several ways, tech and old school, that your can be traceable or untraceable, but it does require effort. The world's greatest lock can be defeated by the world's greatest thief, and vice versa. But neither you nor I are in this hobby for safety reasons.

I think Alona said it best:



So yeah, use your judgement!

There are no flase assumptions in my argument.
If you know of an electronic transfer that is secure to a dummy email address and is not in any way attached to a bank account or a credit card please let me know as I know of non.

 

[fuji]

There are no flase assumptions in my argument.
If you know of an electronic transfer that is secure to a dummy email address and is not in any way attached to a bank account or a credit card please let me know as I know of non.

The only way it could work is cash purchased prepaid credit cards but that is a lot of hassle that I just would not be willing to do when there are so many better options available to me.

The email money transfer idea is just incredibly stupid for anyone who wouldn't want their activities to become public knowledge.