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Iran president says U.N. sanctions unlikely
Ahmadinejad also tells Israelis to go back to Europe


Monday, April 24, 2006;


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks Monday to Iranian as well as international journalists.
TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday dismissed the possibility of U.N. sanctions against his country and called for the dissolution of Israel, saying that the country is an artificial state and Jews should return to their "fatherlands" in Europe.

Ahmadinejad, in a wide-ranging news conference that included international journalists for only the second time since he took office in August, said anti-Semitism drove Jews out of Europe into Israel.

"We believe that Jews like any other human beings have the right to live in happiness and prosperity and to benefit from security," he said, according to a CNN translator. "Allow them to go back to their own fatherlands and countries."

The Palestinians and Germans, he said, are being "blackmailed" and forced to continue making amends for a war in which the present generation played no part.

And, as he has done in the past, he appeared to question whether the Holocaust took place. He called Israel's regime artificial, saying it was established in the late 1940s on a "story" and "to this day, it bloodies and kills defenseless people."

"Allow the Palestinian nation to freely announce its intentions and see what happens," he said. "You are always talking about democracy. ... This is the testing grounds for those ideas."

According to Reuters, Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Monday called on world powers to act on Iran soon.
"Of all the threats we face, Iran is the biggest. The world must not wait. It must do everything necessary on a diplomatic level in order to stop its nuclear activity," Mofaz told a conference on Iran at Tel Aviv University, Reuters reported. "Since Hitler we have not faced such a threat." :rolleyes:

Iran: Sanctions would be mistake
On the nuclear issue, Ahmadinejad said he thought it unlikely the U.N. Security Council would impose sanctions against Iran, adding he believes most member countries "are rational enough not to make such a great mistake."

Asked about the possibility of a U.S. attack on Iran, Ahmadinejad said he did not believe such an military operation would take place, but he warned, "My nation is a strong nation. It can defend itself."

He said, "We are suspicious of the American government. ... They want to portray themselves as masters of the world. They are showing certain behaviors that have led to their mistrust. We don't negotiate with them as a matter of principle."

U.S. officials have said they are pursuing a diplomatic resolution to the standoff with Iran, though President Bush has said no option is off the table.

Reporters asked Bush last week if that included the possibility of a nuclear strike.

"All options are on the table," Bush replied. "We want to solve this issue diplomatically, and we're working hard to do so."

Ahmadinejad insists nuclear program transparent
Ahmadinejad again insisted Tehran's nuclear research and nuclear advances are aimed at an energy program. The United States and other Western countries have said the work is a guise to hide development of a nuclear weapon.

U.S. intelligence officials have estimated, based on the assumption that Iran has only P-1 centrifuges, that the country is five to 10 years away from making a nuclear weapon.

Ahmadinejad also recently asserted that Iran is "now under the process of research and testing" of faster P-2 centrifuges, which enriches uranium more quickly. It's unclear if he was saying Iran already has P-2 centrifuges.

But Monday, the Iranian president implied the transparency in the nuclear program proved it was for peaceful purposes.

"We don't have any need to cover up our activities," Ahmadinejad said. "If we were going to cover up, we would have conducted ourselves differently."

As proof, he pointed to his April 11 announcement that Iran had enriched uranium in concentrations sufficient to run a nuclear power plant -- defying the Security Council's call to suspend enrichment.

The council has set a Friday deadline for the suspension, asking International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei to report back to it then. The IAEA, the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog, has supervised Tehran's nuclear activities.

Ahmadinejad, however, said the IAEA plays favorites, "translating the wishes of a number of powerful countries." He questioned why the organization has never inspected American atomic facilities, saying the United States does not follow safeguards imposed by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968.


What has more than 30 years of membership in the agency given us?" Ahmadinejad asked.

"Working in the framework of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and the agency is our concrete policy," he added. "(But) if we see that they are violating our rights, or they don't want to accept (our rights), well, we will reconsider
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"We are not threatening any country," he said. "We don't believe in the language of threats, but we are going to be unwavering. When it comes to defending the national interests of this country, we are going to be steadfast."

Tehran is ready to negotiate with any country on its nuclear program, but Iran's sovereignty and its rights must be respected, he said.

Questioned about a possible agreement with Moscow in which Russia would enrich uranium for Iran, Ahmadinejad said his country no longer supported the plan. "That was six months ago. The climate has changed," he said, adding that Tehran still enjoys friendly relations with Russia.

His comments came a day after Iran's foreign ministry spokesman said the country's nuclear program cannot be stopped. (Full story)

"We are determined not to give up our rights to nuclear energy, and suspension of relevant activities is not on our agenda," Hamid-Reza Asefi said. "The issue is irreversible."
 
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Iran president says U.N. sanctions unlikely
Ahmadinejad also tells Israelis to go back to Europe


Monday, April 24, 2006;


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks Monday to Iranian as well as international journalists.
TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday dismissed the possibility of U.N. sanctions against his country and called for the dissolution of Israel, saying that the country is an artificial state and Jews should return to their "fatherlands" in Europe.
Interesting choice of words, considering the Nazi's incessant repetition of references to the "fatherland". I see the president of Iran also continues to deny the Holocaust. The Iranian people deserve much better than this clown to lead them, although in truth, I could say the same about the present leader of my own country.
 

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Cyrus the joker

It's just so absurd that cyrus is using the most extreme idiot of a leader (it's a tight race but this guy beats GWB) for argument, especially on a board that can pride itself on being a perfect display of the freedom of speech our society enjoys.

The Iranian leader and his mullah cronies would have all the hobbyists and their associates chopped in two if they were running things. And they don't give a crap about the Palestinians, Iran has been using others to gain prestige and power in the muslim world since the end of the war with Iraq.

Cyrus, you and your idiot can go bite it.
 

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Zionist plot to assassinate President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Iran Wants Peace, Stability For All
Fair Distribution
Of Wealth a Priority


This is some of what he actually said: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

TEHRAN, April 24--President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday Iran wants peace and stability for all citizens of the world and its message to the planet is to abide by the culture of the divine prophets.
Addressing an international press conference, the chief executive noted that Iran does not trust the American government, which essentially has no powers, but wants everybody else to accept its hegemony, IRNA reported.
“The Iranian nation has lost trust in the US government because of its previous attitude and this is why we will not negotiate with them,“ he said.
Asked about his views regarding Jews, he said that Jews have the right to live freely and with security like all other people.
He explained that Jews came to Palestine from all over the world because of the anti-Semitism pursued by the West, which should “allow Jews to return to their countries of origin“.
Defending the performance of his administration in the past eight months, Ahmadinejad said he has guided banking resources toward industries and profit-making corporations.
“Establishment of supportive funds and reduction of the bank profit rate were in line with the policy of generating new jobs. For fulfillment of justice, banking and investment resources should be distributed at the national level in a fair manner and this was done last year,“ he said.
The president noted that for the first time in the past decade, 80 percent of the 2006-7 budget were allocated to development projects.
The president reiterated that Iran is a nuclear power and has access to all aspects of nuclear technology, which it will utilize in different sciences.
“All our nuclear activities are carried out openly and this is the best proof of the peaceful nature of our nuclear activities,“ he said.
The president emphasized that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) must act in a fair manner and report to the world what it has given Iran after 30 years of membership in the agency.
“If a country joins an international institution and does not gain anything while the wishes and demands of a few global powers are imposed on it, won’t people doubt the necessity of this membership? Iran does not accept the dual standards pursued by the agency,“ he said.
Ahmadinejad stressed that Iran is opposed to all types of chemical, biological, nuclear and non-nuclear weapons and considers them contradictory to the culture of divine prophets and harmful for the international community.
Addressing the American and British statesmen, Ahmadinejad said, “The Iranian government and people advocate sustainable peace and not imposed peace. Why do you use sections of the mass media under your control to introduce each and every person who exposes your wrongdoings as a criminal?“
He said, “I am a teacher and I love peace. Up to this day, I have not harmed anybody in my life.“
The president stressed that the era of relying on weapons and military arsenals is over and the contemporary period is marked by intellectualism, literature and culture.

Asked how he could continue to promote justice in Iran if economic sanctions are imposed, he noted, “First of all, I think that it is a remote possibility that the West would adopt this imprudent measure. Even the two or three countries that are opposed to us are wise enough not to make such a grave mistake. The point is that they (the West) will suffer the most, if they create restrictions for us. Today, our nation is strong. Our economic foundations are also strong. This is our own accomplishment and we do not owe it to them.“
Commenting on an Israeli newspaper’s report regarding the Zionist plot to assassinate him, he said, “Assassinating me does not resolve Israel’s problem. If you think that all problems will go away by assassinating me, you should understand that I am the smallest member of the Iranian society, which has a population of 70 million.“
Ahmadinejad also lambasted the international community’s silence regarding this claim

President slams EU anti-Semitism

President Ahmadinejad Monday accused western governments of being anti-semitic and said such an anti-semitic policy by western governments forced the Jews to leave the west and come to Palestine.
He told reporters ahead of his speech at a press conference that the Jews are just like the other people of the world. They are entitled to lead a free life with security.

President Ahmadinejad addressed himself to western governments and said, "let the Jews come back to their own homelands in the west."

"Please let peace and security prevail in the international community on the basis of justice," President Ahmadinejad said.


He said that the western governments deported the Jews to Palestine in line with their anti-semitic policy. "You have created problems for the Jews by deporting the Jews to Palestine. Therefore, you should solve the problem yourselves."
President Ahmadinejad also said that the western governments should allow the Palestinian people to express themselves freely
 

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This guy sounds like that KKK grand wizard in the 70's who said that blacks should go back to their lands in Africa and how it was Africans tribes who sold rival african tribes into slavery so they are responsible for their own situation, and how the current generation of whites should not be making amends to whatever wrongs done by their ancestors.
 

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Iran opposed to US, UK attitude

Tehran, April 24 -
President Ahmadinejad said on Monday that Iran is against US and UK handling the world affairs.

He told his second press conference with national and foreign media after his election to the post that the Iranian nation and government advocate peace and security as well as a lasting peace instead of an imposed one.

The president addressed himself to US and UK officials and questioned, "Why do you insult anyone who reveals your wrong doing. Why do you misuse your media networks to sabotage one's personality by calling him a criminal?"
He said, "Ahmadinejad is a university teacher. He is peace loving person who has not harmed anyone so far."


He questioned, "Why do you think all nations should live just like captives to enable you to fill up your own pocket?"

"Gone is the time for you to introduce any individual in such a way as you wish. Do you think that by launching propaganda campaign through your media networks, you can dictate to other nations? No, this time for such things is over and the nations are capable of expressing themselves."

Referring to history of the Iranian nation, the president said, "the Iranian nation never launched aggression on any nation. The Iranian nation is flag bearer of peace and friendship in the international community. Iranians always repulsed any aggress ion and the history proved that Iran never attacked any other nation."

"Iran advocates peace and security and is ready for dialogue with all other states except the Qods occupying regime," the president said.

He accused the western states of ignoring the international organizations which has led to discrediting international law and asked "By which law do you want to administer the world?

"The western states have ignored the international bodies in charge of world peace and security to the extent that the world public opinion now regards them as tools in hands of big powers."
 

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Don said:
This guy sounds like that KKK grand wizard in the 70's who said that blacks should go back to their lands in Africa and how it was Africans tribes who sold rival african tribes into slavery so they are responsible for their own situation, and how the current generation of whites should not be making amends to whatever wrongs done by their ancestors.
Who is the Master & who is the Slave!
Who is the self-ruled / who was kidnapped into slavery for generations!
Who is the occupier / who is Occupied!
yeah right !!!. . . European Jews vs sand naggers!
... Very neat and relevant line of reasoning!
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I imagine I'll get slammed for saying this, but perhaps the establishment of the nation of Israel in Palestine wasn't such a good idea after all.

Maybe it was all a result of a guilty conscience over not acing to prevent so many pogroms that led to the holocost.

And maybe a lot of it is a "spoils of war" attitude toward the Turkish empire.

One thing I feel strongly for sure is that no true God would hold one people sacred and precious over another. If there is a God that in anyway approximates human intellect, then I must believe that she loves us all equally and individually as she would love all the children she bore.

Read the book "Bible and Sword" by Tuchman. See the history of Britain and Palestine,and the amazing sway that Christian religious fables had on policy. When you realize that -- and realize the role of religion in our history -- hopefully it would make any intelligent person want to rise above it. To love one another and all other species as they would love themselve. To learn from past mistakes. To seek something better for our future. This is progress. To cling to old religious mythis is stagnation.

Many people who read this might think that I'm anti-zionist. I am and I'm not. On the one hand, I believe that people should be able to pursue what they believe, but on the other hand, I feel that they must take into consideration other peoples, beliefs and cultures in the process -- do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I can't respect a person who believes that his or her faith in god or religious heritage makes them better than other people. I don't for a minute believe that god prefers any one os us over another -- not Jew or Muslim or Christian. Not saint or sinner. Now fornicaor or chaste. Not generous or profiteer. Not murderer or victim. I believe, in my heart, that god transcends above all these human things.

I can't help but think that if there had to be a Jewish State, it wouldn't have been better placed in South Florida. Who would have argued?

..c..
 

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JoyfulC said:
I imagine I'll get slammed for saying this, but perhaps the establishment of the nation of Israel in Palestine wasn't such a good idea after all.
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I've got no problem with this from a modern view but it does exist, no matter what cyrus and his hero wish.

Of course, one might speculate that the lack of Israel as a state would have just meant that the Arab leaders, in their quest for power in the region would just have found another reason to justify opressing their own people.
 

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He explained that Jews came to Palestine from all over the world because of the anti-Semitism pursued by the West, which should “allow Jews to return to their countries of origin“....
I wonder what he would say when asked about the rights of Jews to return to their homelands in Iran, Yemen, and the rest of the Arab world. I would assume, based on the views on Palestinian right of return, that the ex. pat. Jews would be welcomed with open arms and given their property back.
 

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It's just so absurd that cyrus is using the most extreme idiot of a leader (it's a tight race but this guy beats GWB) for argument, especially on a board that can pride itself on being a perfect display of the freedom of speech our society enjoys.

The Iranian leader and his mullah cronies would have all the hobbyists and their associates chopped in two if they were running things. And they don't give a crap about the Palestinians, Iran has been using others to gain prestige and power in the muslim world since the end of the war with Iraq.

Cyrus, you and your idiot can go bite it.
It is amazing how some people (i.e . . . . idiots) could read the same simple paragraph as the rest of us and yet choose to selectively interpret it so disgracefully!
 

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Takes one to know one, twitmaster.
 

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and one more thing...

SInce this week is the time of Holocaust remembrance for we jews and for others who suffered at the hands of tha Nazis, I just thought I'd say

1. No matter what the history is, ISRAEL IS A FACT. Now deal with it.

2. Israelis and Jews in general are no longer going to rely on anyone else for their safety, not the US, not Europe, not the kind Arabs, and certainly not the murderous "President" of Iran. Tehran will be a graveyard before that happens.

3. Never again doesn't mean we are so slow to react to violence that we will lie down and show you our throats for you to slit.

Anything else would profane the memory of the dead.
 

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Another response:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=709244&contrassID=2

The Holocaust: Get Over It
by Bradley Burtson

He was well-meaning. I'm convinced of it. His words were meant to be helpful, and, in the way of many well-meaning people, they were also deadly.

This is the fourth Holocaust remembrance day since the letter came in. Responding to an article about astronaut Ilan Ramon and the imagery of the Shoa that framed the doomed flight, a reader from Kennewick, Washington headed his letter: "Get over the Holocaust!"

"The nation of Israel", he wrote, needs "to mature and get over the Holocaust. It is like water under the bridge, the past, history. Americans must get over the Revolutionary War, Civil War, Viet Nam, Grenada, and Iraq (Desert Storm). That is life. Experience it for all God gives you and get over the past!"

It's a sentiment that makes a certain sense, at least from 9,000 miles away. You want to help, so you advise people who are still pained, still grieving, to move on, to get on with their lives.

It's a sentiment that also proves that it's a long way from Washington State to Auschwitz, and farther still to this place, which manages to find room to hold all of the ghosts of Auschwitz and hosts more, from as far back as the Inquisition, the destruction of the Temple, slavery in Egypt. All of them, and this month's Passover terrorism as well.

There are readers, many of them, who at this very moment are thinking "Oh no, here it comes, the litany, the ostentatious suffering, the reveling in victimhood, the endless preoccupation with the woes of the Jews."

There are readers who at this very moment are thinking, "These Jews, with all due respect, they learned nothing from the Nazis - they're just as bad in their treatment of the Palestinians, if not worse."

In fact, one of those who chose this Holocaust Remembrance Day to tell us to get on with our lives was Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

With exquisite timing, Ahmadinejad chose the eve of Yom Hashoah to issue his latest advisory, telling the Jews of the Holy Land that they should pack up and move away - to Europe, the place, he says, we all came from.

The world leader who shot to international notoriety in October by calling the Holocaust a myth, wasn't through yet. "Logically, this fake regime cannot survive," he said, referring to Israel, in an additional incentive to persuage us to go.

This time, his harshest admonishment was saved for Europeans themselves, his compassion reserved for the Jews, whom he views as being trapped in a huge prison.

"Why did you force them [the Jews] to take refuge in Palestine?" he said, addressing Europe during told a rare news conference to which the foreign press was invited. "Why do you think they are comfortable in Palestine? They left because of your anti-Semitism."

"Open the doors of this big jail and let people decide for themselves.
You will see they will return to their motherland,"

The president is telling us to get over it as well. Move on. And out. For our own good.

It might be time to break it to Ahmedinajad that most of us didn't come from Europe, and few of us have any interest in living there.

It might be time to break it to our readers who believe that we are as bad as the Nazis, that the compassion showed by individual Israeli officers soldiers in a broad range of contacts with Palestinians often has a great deal to do with the soldiers' consciousness of the Holocaust and of persecution of the Jews.

Anyone who knows this newspaper, knows that it makes great efforts to expose mistreatment of Palestinians by members of the security forces, in an effort to assure that wrongful practices are stopped.

What we do not do, is to do enough to expose and thus encourage the acts of compassion and human generosity that anyone who really knows the IDF, knows is part and parcel of the way the army works.

Some of the most compassionate IDF officers are, in fact, the children and grandchildren of survivors. Hundreds of thousands of them. For them, there is no question of getting over the Holocaust. They will not. For them, every day of their lives is Yom Hashoa. Even after two generations.

It doesn't end, even if you try to make it end. The sins of the Nazis will be visited upon the Jews, perhaps until the tenth generation.

Sixty years on, the Holocaust bears different lessons for all of us. Some believe that the lesson is do unto others before they do unto you. Others believe that the lesson has much more to do with compassion and tolerance even when it may seem undeserved, when the blood cries vengeance. War does that to you. It replaces compassion with hatred.

Just this once, however, it might be time to look at the Holocaust for what it remains - a wound that will never heal, an experience that is beyond our experience, comprehension, or puny, wrongheaded automatic comparisons to current events.

Just this once, after all these years, let us honor the victims and survivors with introspection, with compassion, with modesty, with respect, with awe.
 

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DATYdude said:
1. No matter what the history is, ISRAEL IS A FACT. Now deal with it.
Yes, Israel is a fact -- but that doesn't prevent us from admitting that perhaps mistakes were made, from making reparations, and from remembering the lesson for the future.

That might go a long way towards peace.

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2. Israelis and Jews in general are no longer going to rely on anyone else for their safety, not the US, not Europe, not the kind Arabs, and certainly not the murderous "President" of Iran. Tehran will be a graveyard before that happens.
I'm not sure I understand -- if that's so, why does Israel have such strong lobbies in other countries like the US?

I agree. If Israel is to stand, they should do so on their own -- and if that requires as much diplomacy and finesse as shock and awe, then so be it.

DATYdude said:
3. Never again doesn't mean we are so slow to react to violence that we will lie down and show you our throats for you to slit.
That's reasonable. But remember that everything you feel is felt by others too.

Perhaps it's better to look for ways to peacefully co-exist than to slit each others' throats or get them before they get us.

We need some leadership here! We need someone to have the confidence to lead the world toward peace, even when others remain focused on revenge.

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Anything else would profane the memory of the dead.
Just be careful that you don't one day wake up to find that you are the same as those who perpetrated horrible crimes of inhumanity against you.

I know Israelis don't have it easy. It must be hard never to know when a suicide bomber just stepped onto the bus with those you love. But as you say, that is the situation. It seems like "pushing back" hasn't worked for decades. Maybe it's time to "push forward." I believe that Israel needs to learn to do this if they are to regain much of the support they've lost around the world in recent years.

..c..
 

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I agree with everything you have said, especially the part about Israel standing on its own, which I believe will happen when it does not IMO quite rightly feel that it is required to have a huge military advantage over the arabs.

What differentiates your post from others', especially cyrus', is that you accept that Israel exists and that it has a right to exist without external existential threat.
 

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DATYdude said:
you accept that Israel exists and that it has a right to exist without external existential threat.
Well, actually, I never said that. I accept that it exists and I believe that we have to move forward from that point. 50 years is too much history to erase. Jews and Muslims have peacefully co-existed in the past.

But with respect to what it has a right to expect, that I'm not so sure about!

I think that Israel -- like any country or anything -- will have to deal with and manage the perceptions concerning it. Both the reasonable and the unreasonable. Most of the time we end up dealing with less than we'd like to believe we have a right to. Having the idea stuck in our head that an expectation is reasonable is sometimes counterproductive.

I don't have a religion, although I do believe in god. Someone gave me a copy of the Tao Te Ching when I was about 12, and it influeced me quite a bit. You must follow to lead, you must yield to overcome, the sea is the master of the river because it lies below it, the female overcomes the male lying low in stillness (although,personally, I find adding some hip swivel action in there is even more overcoming! ;) ), that's the sort of stuff I believe will achieve the most progress. Sometimes to win, you must concede. Sometimes to master, you must serve.

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Lessons of the Past...

The "Birth" of modern Israel in the 20th century is a lesson to all nations..

Those who are inadequately prepared to defend their borders will have their territory taken from them. The Arabs simply were not prepared to defend "their land". Both sides used terrorism to great effect against the British who quit Palestine as they saw no point in staying in a land without any oil. The Arabs subsequently lost the war that ensued. The Arabs will never be getting any of "their" land back as the Israeli's are well prepared to defend their borders.

In the unlikely event that the Arabs were to try again and succeed, it would just cause Israel to unilaterally take everyone with them via the nuclear weapons that they "don't have" aka scorched earth policy.

Part of the solution would be to make all of Jerusalem a City state (like the Vatican) which would be independant of Israel or a future Palestine. Muslims and Jews could then both save face.

Unfortunately the zealots on both sides would never agree to such a compromise, So three cheers for another 1000 years of bloodshed over land thats important because of religious texts.

Thank god I'm an Athiest... :)

Pun Intended.
 

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It is amazing how some people (i.e . . . . idiots) could read the same simple paragraph as the rest of us and yet choose to selectively interpret it so disgracefully!
no I think the DUDE has pegged you right on - BTW Cyrus do you take the Arab view that their were no Jews in the Middle East before WW2. If you do well your very wrong - at the turn of 20th Century there were nearly 1 million Jews residing in Arab lands - today there is less than 12,000. This was forced on them after 1948 by Arab Governments who also abandoned the Palestinian population after Israel's War of Independence which they lost.

There is always so much misinformation from your types Cyrus, quoting a ranting bigot doesn't justify your position it simply condemns it. I guess Arabs will never get the Crime against Humanity that holocaust was - the point about this crime is that it could be committed against any group - including Arabs and Persians. For that reason the crime of Hitler and the Germans was a crime against all.

As for the Iranian Presidents assertion's that WW2 was European problem, he confidently forgets that the mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husseini, the father of modern Palestinian nationalism began a close collaboration with Nazi Germany in the mid 1930s and was forced to flee a British arrest warrant when war broke out in 1939. This fellow fled to Iraq where he linked up with Pro-Nazi Iraqi nationalist to overthrow the pro British Iraq government. They then proceeded launch a reign of terror on Iraqi Jews which caused them to flee to Palestine and British protection.

It's fiction that you post here that the Jews come all from Europe - the fact is that nearly 50% of the current population of Israel are descendants of those who were kicked out of Arab lands.

It really is funny that Roger gets booted and a slime ball revisionist like Cyrus is allowed to post his swill.

Now this is history Cyrus - read and learn and perhaps growup

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
 

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wileyc said:
The "Birth" of modern Israel in the 20th century is a lesson to all nations..

.... The Arabs simply were not prepared to defend "their land". .... The Arabs subsequently lost the war that ensued. ....
Is it just me or is this a contradiction. The Arabs were well prepared to defend their land. Jordan, Syria, and Egypt were armed with weapons sold to them by the Brits while the Jews needed to smuggle theirs in. They tried and the Arabs lost a bunch of wars.

From a purely tactical point, the Jews won because they had to if they wanted to survive (as people, not just as a nation). The Arab soldiers had little vested interest, just the orders of their superiors.
 
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