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During the 1968 flu pandemic, no businesses were ordered to close..............

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The claim: During the 1968 flu pandemic, no businesses were ordered to close and large events such as Woodstock were still able to be held

While much of the country has been asked to stay at home and practice social distancing, social media users have started comparing the nation’s current handling of the novel coronavirus to another deadly outbreak, the 1968 flu.

A post by the American Institute for Economic Research claims businesses were still operating during the 1968 flu and that large events such as the Woodstock music festival took place, with over 60,000 people in attendance.

“Nothing closed. Schools stayed open. All businesses did too” the post reads. “You could go to the movies. You could go to bars and restaurants.” The post goes on to say that stock markets did not crash, no stay-at-home orders were enforced and no legislation was passed in Congress.

The post references stories from those who were present at the famous music event that took place on a dairy farm in New York in August 1969 and claims that Woodstock was planned in January 1969 “during the worse period of death.”

The post claims the only actions government took were collecting data, encouraging testing and vaccinations, adding that Congress and the media focused on the Vietnam War, civil rights movements and landing on the moon.

Memories from those who lived through 1968 pandemic

In a piece for the National Review, John Fund recalled his memories during the 1968 pandemic, saying he was just old enough to remember what was going on, as his family lived near the Travis Air Force Base in the Bay Area where soldiers returned home from Vietnam in 1968.

“It amazes me now, but I was able to give my oral report in class because the schools didn’t close in California — or anywhere else in the country,” Fund wrote. He said people still practiced social distancing, rode buses less frequently and washed their hands but people were still going to work.

Marilyn Brown, owner of See the World Travel & Tours in Harbor City, Calif., shared her story with Travel Weekly about her experiences in 1968, when her son Steven Brown was infected with the virus, and she thought his sickness was just "a bad flu."

“Other than my coworkers bringing their own alcohol to wipe down their desks and wipe down pencils and not use pencils that clients had used, we didn’t do anything,” Brown told Travel Weekly.

A New York Times article from August 1969 reported that dozens of doctors were present at Woodstock to address “the potential threat of a virus cold or pneumonia epidemic among such a large gathering.”
People had already developed immunity against 1968 pandemic

The 1968 flu pandemic, commonly referred to as the "Hong Kong Flu," was caused by an H3N2 avian influenza virus. The first recorded outbreak of the disease was in Hong Kong in the summer of 1968, though some experts theorize that the virus may have originated in mainland China.

The virus, which is still around today, is from a group of avian influenzas that also produced the 1957 flu pandemic’s H2N2 virus. The Centers for Disease Control estimates that 1 million people globally died from the 1968 flu pandemic — which lasted into 1969-70 — including 100,000 Americans.

Also of note is the difference in population: In July 1969, the U.S. had about 202.7 million people, compared to about 330 million now.

A February 2020 study published by researchers at the universities of Michigan and Hong Kong found that the 1968 flu pandemic was very similar in contagiousness and lethality to its 1957 predecessor, which itself was “found to resemble seasonal influenza with morbidity highest in children and mortality at the extremes of age.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...dstock-take-place-middle-pandemic/3094481001/
 

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A lack of robust testing undermines confidence in the exact death rate, but the researchers confirmed to USA TODAY that both pandemics were far below levels seen during the 1918 flu pandemic or the current SARS-CoV-2 outbreak.

"The pandemics in 1957 and 1968, although associated with death rates greater than those for seasonal influenza epidemics, were far less devastating than the 1918 pandemic," a 2013 CDC study on pandemic preparedness also found.

The severity of outbreaks of the 1968 flu varied greatly by region; while Japan mostly experienced small and isolated cases, the United States had a comparably severe outbreak on the West Coast in the winter of 1968. Researchers speculate this variation in severity is because of prior immunities that people already had because of exposure to the 1957 and possibly 1918 flu pandemics.

Because the H3N2 virus is prone to antigenic drift, it remains a common seasonal flu even after a vaccine was developed. Edwin Kilbourne, a renowned researcher on influenza prevention, wrote in 2006 that "the H3N2 subtype still reigns as the major and most troublesome influenza A virus in humans.

The Wall Street Journal reported the virus came in two different waves. The second outbreak, in the latter half of 1969, was deadlier than the first wave from the year prior.

“Governments and the media didn’t call for restrictions on public life and economic activity,” the article reads. “The disease was allowed to run through communities virtually unhindered until a vaccine became available to stop it about four months after it surfaced.”


A lack of robust testing undermines confidence in the exact death rate, but the researchers confirmed to USA TODAY that both pandemics were far below levels seen during the 1918 flu pandemic or the current SARS-CoV-2 outbreak.

"The pandemics in 1957 and 1968, although associated with death rates greater than those for seasonal influenza epidemics, were far less devastating than the 1918 pandemic," a 2013 CDC study on pandemic preparedness also found.

The severity of outbreaks of the 1968 flu varied greatly by region; while Japan mostly experienced small and isolated cases, the United States had a comparably severe outbreak on the West Coast in the winter of 1968. Researchers speculate this variation in severity is because of prior immunities that people already had because of exposure to the 1957 and possibly 1918 flu pandemics.

Because the H3N2 virus is prone to antigenic drift, it remains a common seasonal flu even after a vaccine was developed. Edwin Kilbourne, a renowned researcher on influenza prevention, wrote in 2006 that "the H3N2 subtype still reigns as the major and most troublesome influenza A virus in humans.

The Wall Street Journal reported the virus came in two different waves. The second outbreak, in the latter half of 1969, was deadlier than the first wave from the year prior.

“Governments and the media didn’t call for restrictions on public life and economic activity,” the article reads. “The disease was allowed to run through communities virtually unhindered until a vaccine became available to stop it about four months after it surfaced.”
 

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Wait. When there was an outbreak of a different disease, they treated it differently? Strange the thing these 'scientists' come up with.


BTW. Did you read your article or did you just blindly post it as usual? It says in two years with no lockdown, 100,000 Americans died. But sure, lets compare that to 115,000 dead in 4 months despite these lockdowns.
 

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Wait. When there was an outbreak of a different disease, they treated it differently? Strange the thing these 'scientists' come up with.


BTW. Did you read your article or did you just blindly post it as usual? It says in two years with no lockdown, 100,000 Americans died. But sure, lets compare that to 115,000 dead in 4 months despite these lockdowns.
Here we go again with you and your numbers.......sad.

Did you know over 80% have recovered?

Did you know over 80% of the cases are in senior homes?

Did you know most of the cases involved were from people with underlying health issues?

20,000 tests were performed Tuesday and 14000 of those tests were "under investigation"???

Did you know 50% of the tests performed showed false positives?

Did you know majority of the people dont know of anyone that has or had covid?

Did you know I havent read 1 obituary in my local paper that had a death related to covid?

Did you know you can protest and riot in the thousands and everybody is still fine but I have to line up for grocery 6ft apart from the next person?
 

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Here we go again with you and your numbers.......sad.

Did you know over 80% have recovered?

Did you know over 80% of the cases are in senior homes?

Did you know most of the cases involved were from people with underlying health issues?

20,000 tests were performed Tuesday and 14000 of those tests were "under investigation"???

Did you know 50% of the tests performed showed false positives?

Did you know majority of the people dont know of anyone that has or had covid?

Did you know I havent read 1 obituary in my local paper that had a death related to covid?

Did you know you can protest and riot in the thousands and everybody is still fine but I have to line up for grocery 6ft apart from the next person?



Did you know this?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

No, won't fit your narrative. FAKE NEWS!!! I know. LOL
 

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Here we go again with you and your numbers.......sad.

Did you know over 80% have recovered?

Did you know over 80% of the cases are in senior homes?

Did you know most of the cases involved were from people with underlying health issues?

20,000 tests were performed Tuesday and 14000 of those tests were "under investigation"???

Did you know 50% of the tests performed showed false positives?

Did you know majority of the people dont know of anyone that has or had covid?

Did you know I havent read 1 obituary in my local paper that had a death related to covid?

Did you know you can protest and riot in the thousands and everybody is still fine but I have to line up for grocery 6ft apart from the next person?

I don't argue any of your numbers except the one I bolded. The reporting I have seen for false positives has been as little as 1-2% and mostly in cases of those who had Covid-19, thought to have been recovered (had a negative test result, time had passed) and tested positive again as the virus was still lingering in their system.

Again, very very low false positive rate, but more and more reporting of 20-38% (depending on days of infection it appears) percentage levels of False Negatives in those who eventually are confirmed to have been infected.
 

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I don't argue any of your numbers except the one I bolded. The reporting I have seen for false positives has been as little as 1-2% and mostly in cases of those who had Covid-19, thought to have been recovered (had a negative test result, time had passed) and tested positive again as the virus was still lingering in their system.

Again, very very low false positive rate, but more and more reporting of 20-38% (depending on days of infection it appears) percentage levels of False Negatives in those who eventually are confirmed to have been infected.
https://nationalpost.com/news/world...e-70-per-cent-of-the-time-health-experts-warn

Mike Lozano, a Florida-based executive for Envision Healthcare Corp., said that he believes the currently available coronavirus tests are likely only accurate about 70 per cent of the time.


A study in February of 1,000 patients in China found that only 60 per cent of patients tested positive for the coronavirus, despite 90 per cent of the patients having the symptoms of the virus. The lab tests used in the study are similar to those being used in the United States.


https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...curacy-of-widely-used-abbott-coronavirus-test

"As first reported on NPR, as many as 15 to 20 out of every 100 tests may produce falsely negative results. A study released this week indicated that the test could be missing as many as 48% of infections."


All these numbers at best show a problem with testing kits.

With numbers of false positive or negative numbers are very worrying.

How many false positives were deducted from the daily average? How many actually had covid and didnt just for the hospital to get pandemic pay?

I call BS on any of the numbers produced.
 

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Here we go again with you and your numbers.......sad....
Yeah, how dare I try to include facts in the conversation.

Fact is that more Americans have died from covid in 4 locked down months than died in the entire 2+ years of the 1968 flu. Do you deny that?
 

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I don't argue any of your numbers except the one I bolded. The reporting I have seen for false positives has been as little as 1-2% and mostly in cases of those who had Covid-19, thought to have been recovered (had a negative test result, time had passed) and tested positive again as the virus was still lingering in their system. ...
And one recent study showed up to 20% false negatives for tests taken in the first couple days of symptoms. littleaxe is probably trying to conflate antibody tests which is a whole different matter.

More importantly, cut and paste man wanted to compare the 1968 pandemic so the only numbers that matter are the direct comparison between the two which is why I chose to focus on deaths.
 

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https://nationalpost.com/news/world...e-70-per-cent-of-the-time-health-experts-warn

Mike Lozano, a Florida-based executive for Envision Healthcare Corp., said that he believes the currently available coronavirus tests are likely only accurate about 70 per cent of the time.


A study in February of 1,000 patients in China found that only 60 per cent of patients tested positive for the coronavirus, despite 90 per cent of the patients having the symptoms of the virus. The lab tests used in the study are similar to those being used in the United States.


https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...curacy-of-widely-used-abbott-coronavirus-test

"As first reported on NPR, as many as 15 to 20 out of every 100 tests may produce falsely negative results. A study released this week indicated that the test could be missing as many as 48% of infections."


All these numbers at best show a problem with testing kits.

With numbers of false positive or negative numbers are very worrying.

How many false positives were deducted from the daily average? How many actually had covid and didnt just for the hospital to get pandemic pay?

I call BS on any of the numbers produced.
smallhatchet,

Your bolded line is again supporting false negatives - or in simple terms, the virus was 'missed' by the testing of the samples taken - which is what I stated as a simple correction.


There is no evidence reported of false positive's (that I have seen so far) except for those who had COVID-19 and thought they were 'recovered' and during a re-test they showed positive - South Korea was the first to report this and there was some concern of people getting infected a second time - but was quickly confirmed not to be the case, rather tiny (dead) traces of the original infection the patients had were causing a positive result - and to be clear, there has been a very small percentage (less then 2% is one source I read) of this happening at all.

So again, if you test positive - you're 95-100% certain to be positive. You originally stated in your list of statements that 50% of positive results were false and I disagree with the information shared in my posts.


Back to false negatives - adding them in with of course the many individuals who never get tested for various reasons (no symptoms, testing wasn't available for them in the early weeks, etc) - the true number of how many of us have actually had the virus in total is at best a rough estimate and at worse a complete mystery. It may be months or years before testing and data gathering will allow each country and then the world of course to truly understand how far and wide this virus has spread.
 
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