Elon to start a third political party. The American party.

[Ceiling Cat]

Elon Musk’s rumored plan to start a third political party, called “The American party,” is far more calculated than it first appears. It’s not about running for office he can not legally run for office it’s not about winning an election. The real purpose is to undermine Donald Trump’s second term by exposing his ongoing failures and costly blunders to cripple him. Roughly six months into Trump’s presidency, Elon aims to shine a harsh spotlight on every embarrassment and policy disaster Trump creates, all the way to the midterms. After that, he’ll escalate the campaign, hammering Trump with relentless criticism. The coming conflict will resemble a knife fight fought with butter knives. Messy, superficial, and bloody, with both sides hoping the other bleeds out from a thousand tiny wounds. Elon has no interest in holding office or seriously building a winning political party. His goal is to deny Trump any success. As Trump’s global tariffs drag the world toward recession, and as veterans and low-income Americans lose Medicaid and public services, even many MAGA loyalists may begin to waver. Elon’s political party isn't about rising to power, it’s about ensuring Trump doesn’t finish his term unscathed. Elon has helped get this Frankenstein into office, now that the monster is out of control he has to stop it.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

After spending nearly 300M to get Trump elected, Musk is now forming a party to unseat Trump. lmfao.
Musk announces forming of 'America Party' in further break from Trump

WASHINGTON, July 5 (Reuters) - The tattered bromance between Republican President Donald Trump and his main campaign financier Elon Musk took another fractious turn on Saturday when the space and automotive billionaire announced the formation of a new political party, saying Trump's "big, beautiful" tax bill would bankrupt America.
A day after asking his followers on his X platform whether a new U.S. political party should be created, Musk declared in a post on Saturday that "Today, the America Party is formed to give you back your freedom."

"By a factor of 2 to 1, you want a new political party and you shall have it!" he wrote.
The announcement from Musk comes after Trump signed his self-styled "big, beautiful" tax-cut and spending bill into law on Friday, which Musk fiercely opposed.
Musk, who became the word's richest man thanks to his Tesla car company and his SpaceX satellite firm, spent hundreds of millions on Trump's re-election and led the Department of Government Efficiency from the start of the president's second term aimed at slashing government spending.
The two have since fallen out spectacularly over disagreements about the bill.

Musk said previously that he would start a new political party and spend money to unseat lawmakers who supported the bill.
Trump earlier this week threatened to cut off the billions of dollars in subsidies that Musk's companies receive from the federal government.
Republicans have expressed concern that Musk's on-again, off-again feud with Trump could hurt their chances to protect their majority in the 2026 midterm congressional elections.
Asked on X what was the one thing that made him go from loving Trump to attacking him, Musk said: "Increasing the deficit from an already insane $2T under Biden to $2.5T. This will bankrupt the country."
He referenced the growth of Greece from subjugation to preeminence in the ancient world in another tweet, saying: "The way we're going to crack the uniparty system is by using a variant of how Epaminondas shattered the myth of Spartan invincibility at Leuctra: Extremely concentrated force at a precise location on the battlefield."

There was no immediate comment from Trump or the White House on Musk's announcement.
The feud with Trump, often described as one between the world's richest man and the world's most powerful, has led to several precipitous falls in Tesla's share price.
The stock soared after Trump's November reelection and hit a high of more than $488 in December, before losing more than half of its value in April and closing last week out at $315.35.
Despite Musk's deep pockets, breaking the Republican-Democratic duopoly will be a tall order, given that it has dominated American political life for more than 160 years, while Trump's approval ratings in polls in his second term have generally held firm above 40 percent, despite often divisive policies.

 

[Frankfooter]

Hopefully he can split the MAGA vote.

 

[Midnight Hammer]

Fun fact. Elon Musk is the richest man on the planet and Donald Trump is the most powerful man on the plant.
They're not losers unlike some

 

[JuanGoodman]

our liberal political scholars are so dimwitted

that when they had their elbows up

someone pulled their pants down

I can't believe that some of you still think that this "soap opera" is for real

and that it wasn't planed long time ago

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Fun fact. Elon Musk is the richest man on the planet and Donald Trump is the most powerful man on the plant.
They're not losers unlike some

Elon Musk is currently the richest man on the planet, and it's likely he will remain at the top for the next 5 to 10 years. In contrast, Donald Trump is the most politically powerful man in the world for the next 3.5 years. Musk's estimated wealth is around $425 billion, while Trump’s is estimated at approximately $2.5 billion—not including his cryptocurrency holdings, which would likely crash in value if liquidated. Musk's wealth is more than 200 times that of Trump.
Their relationship has soured. Trump is reportedly unhappy with Musk and is expected to take steps to make electric vehicles less appealing, potentially removing all government subsidies for Tesla. Musk, on the other hand, is angry with Trump, having spent an estimated $280 million to help get him elected, only to be turned on. Musk believes he played a key role in Trump's rise and now intends to be the force behind his downfall.
There is speculation that Trump may attempt to change the law to seek a third term, but even if successful, there’s no guarantee he would win. Musk is preparing to counter him with a newly formed "American" political party aimed at undermining Trump’s influence. Meanwhile, Trump’s immigration policies and aggressive tariffs could backfire, damaging the global economy and increasing inflation not only in the U.S. but worldwide.
It would be poetic justice if Trump fails to get re-elected and is then forced to face criminal charges and civil lawsuits once he loses presidential immunity.

 

[Butler1000]

Elon Musk is currently the richest man on the planet, and it's likely he will remain at the top for the next 5 to 10 years. In contrast, Donald Trump is the most politically powerful man in the world for the next 3.5 years. Musk's estimated wealth is around $425 billion, while Trump’s is estimated at approximately $2.5 billion—not including his cryptocurrency holdings, which would likely crash in value if liquidated. Musk's wealth is more than 200 times that of Trump.
Their relationship has soured. Trump is reportedly unhappy with Musk and is expected to take steps to make electric vehicles less appealing, potentially removing all government subsidies for Tesla. Musk, on the other hand, is angry with Trump, having spent an estimated $280 million to help get him elected, only to be turned on. Musk believes he played a key role in Trump's rise and now intends to be the force behind his downfall.
There is speculation that Trump may attempt to change the law to seek a third term, but even if successful, there’s no guarantee he would win. Musk is preparing to counter him with a newly formed "American" political party aimed at undermining Trump’s influence. Meanwhile, Trump’s immigration policies and aggressive tariffs could backfire, damaging the global economy and increasing inflation not only in the U.S. but worldwide.
It would be poetic justice if Trump fails to get re-elected and is then forced to face criminal charges and civil lawsuits once he loses presidential immunity.

It's an amendment. There is no way he get 2/3 of state legislatures to sign off on it.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

It's an amendment. There is no way he get 2/3 of state legislatures to sign off on it.

The chances for Trump to get congress to change the rules on a third term is slim but not impossible. I would say 1 in a 1000 chance. His contingency plans. Get Vance or Don Jr. to run and win to get him a presidential pardon or use his unqualified cronies that are in charge of the military, intelligence and justice departments to declare martial law on the population. If all else fails, call up the proud boys to rise up in another insurrection. This time they may get gunned down by LE and military that will not go along. If that happens get ready for long lines of migrants from the south streaming through our borders.

 

[Butler1000]

The chances for Trump to get congress to change the rules on a third term is slim but not impossible. I would say 1 in a 1000 chance. His contingency plans. Get Vance or Don Jr. to run and win to get him a presidential pardon or use his unqualified cronies that are in charge of the military, intelligence and justice departments to declare martial law on the population. If all else fails, call up the proud boys to rise up in another insurrection. This time they may get gunned down by LE and military that will not go along. If that happens get ready for long lines of migrants from the south streaming through our borders.

It's likely a primary is going to happen. It's also likely that Vance, Don Jr. Run. I suspect Tulsi may try again, as will Rubio. The field will expand with other wanna be's.

The thing is Trump is Trump, and the rest don't come close to his retail politician skills. So it will end up a dog fight. A slog. And then they will have to face who ever the Dems put up. It's way too far out for predictions.


Btw it isn't just Congress. Any Amendment change requires 2/3 of STATE legislatures as well. And that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

This is not going to end well.

Trivia - Name the tactical mistake the assault team made in the clip.

 

[Midnight Hammer]

Elon Musk is currently the richest man on the planet, and it's likely he will remain at the top for the next 5 to 10 years. In contrast, Donald Trump is the most politically powerful man in the world for the next 3.5 years. Musk's estimated wealth is around $425 billion, while Trump’s is estimated at approximately $2.5 billion—not including his cryptocurrency holdings, which would likely crash in value if liquidated. Musk's wealth is more than 200 times that of Trump.
Their relationship has soured. Trump is reportedly unhappy with Musk and is expected to take steps to make electric vehicles less appealing, potentially removing all government subsidies for Tesla. Musk, on the other hand, is angry with Trump, having spent an estimated $280 million to help get him elected, only to be turned on. Musk believes he played a key role in Trump's rise and now intends to be the force behind his downfall.
There is speculation that Trump may attempt to change the law to seek a third term, but even if successful, there’s no guarantee he would win. Musk is preparing to counter him with a newly formed "American" political party aimed at undermining Trump’s influence. Meanwhile, Trump’s immigration policies and aggressive tariffs could backfire, damaging the global economy and increasing inflation not only in the U.S. but worldwide.
It would be poetic justice if Trump fails to get re-elected and is then forced to face criminal charges and civil lawsuits once he loses presidential immunity.

I read the first two sentences. I don't give a flying fuck what you're talking about.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

I read the first two sentences. I don't give a flying fuck what you're talking about.

.....................I guess I will have to refund your 2¢'s. I do not seem to have any pennies with me, will a refundable pop bottle be sufficient compensation? It will only be a few moments while I finish consuming the contents. My guess is that once you get your hand on the refundable pop bottle you will run to the No Frills and convert your newly acquired possession into cash to donate to your friends at the MAGA party.

 

[jalimon]

Fun fact. Elon Musk is the richest man on the planet and Donald Trump is the most powerful man on the plant.
They're not losers unlike some

We need to remember our history. Dictators were all big-time losers. They manage to do a lot of bad... Until it did not finish well for any of them. Trump won't finish his mandate.

 

[Valcazar]

It's an amendment. There is no way he get 2/3 of state legislatures to sign off on it.

As I've said before, he doesn't actually need that.
He just needs 5 votes on the supreme court.

 

[Valcazar]

It's likely a primary is going to happen. It's also likely that Vance, Don Jr. Run. I suspect Tulsi may try again, as will Rubio. The field will expand with other wanna be's.

If he doesn't run, there will be a large GOP primary unless a really obvious successor has bubbled up by then.
Open presidential primaries have been pretty large affairs for the last few elections.
I'd expect double-digits.

 

[Valcazar]

This is not going to end well.

If you mean Elon's third party idea, then yeah.

I doubt he will even follow through.
If he does, I doubt it will do any better than the Greens. (If they are lucky, they might catch the Libertarians.)

I'd love it to exist in a way that tempts stupid people who think voting third party is smart to waste their vote if it was disproportionately attracting people who would vote Trump or GOP, but like i said, I doubt it will even ever really exist.

 

[Frankfooter]

If you mean Elon's third party idea, then yeah.

I doubt he will even follow through.
If he does, I doubt it will do any better than the Greens. (If they are lucky, they might catch the Libertarians.)

I'd love it to exist in a way that tempts stupid people who think voting third party is smart to waste their vote if it was disproportionately attracting people who would vote Trump or GOP, but like i said, I doubt it will even ever really exist.

A third party only has to take a few points away from the GOP to turn the election. Though its hard to say how serious Musk or whether he'll just spend some money to unseat a few GOP.

It didn't take much for Harris to lose.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1944362360547758347

 

[mellowjello]

A third party only has to take a few points away from the GOP to turn the election. Though its hard to say how serious Musk or whether he'll just spend some money to unseat a few GOP.

It didn't take much for Harris to lose.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1944362360547758347

I'm wondering if there could be a couple of different motives for Musk's third party.
Either to get leverage to drive the GOP even further right, more libertarian, or to ultimately get the GOP to morph into that party for the same reasons.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm wondering if there could be a couple of different motives for Musk's third party.
Either to get leverage to drive the GOP even further right, more libertarian, or to ultimately get the GOP to morph into that party for the same reasons.

Its possible, for sure.
But its also possible that its a pair of toddlers that are just pissed at each other.

They've both been destroying all they built over the last few months.

 

[Valcazar]

A third party only has to take a few points away from the GOP to turn the election.

This is true.

I'm wondering if there could be a couple of different motives for Musk's third party.
Either to get leverage to drive the GOP even further right, more libertarian, or to ultimately get the GOP to morph into that party for the same reasons.

Very possible.
Since third parties pretty much only exist to run as spoilers, they are often built specifically to fuck with one side or the other.
But "getting leverage" via third parties is still very difficult.

You have to have things so tight that your leverage is credible.
You have to overcome the fact that what you are always saying is "I'd rather the other side win than you not accept my terms" and that is often wildly self-defeating for the third party voters.
(If you are a libertarian who wants more deregulation from the GOP, sabotaging the GOP and getting Democrats in power who will regulate you more isn't actually a great plan.)
That limits how much you can keep your voters, since constantly voting to make their own positions harder to achieve tends to erode support.

Threatening a third party but leading an internal party takeover can work, I suppose, but it isn't easy to pull off.