France To Recognize The Palestinian State. Vive la France

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Well done by France.
It is high time everyone recognized a Palestinian state and pressured Netanyahu to end this gross war that has gone on longer than necessary.
Hope Canada does as well.
 

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Well done by France.
It is high time everyone recognized a Palestinian state and pressured Netanyahu to end this gross war that has gone on longer than necessary.
Hope Canada does as well.
Jordan and Israel are Palestinian states.
 

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Well done by France.
It is high time everyone recognized a Palestinian state and pressured Netanyahu to end this gross war that has gone on longer than necessary.
Hope Canada does as well.
I've been trying to pin down what, exactly, Macron intends to announce in Sept.
It remains pretty vague.
 

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Netanyahu is not really interested in even a temporary ceasefire. They blamed Hamas for offering an unacceptable deal to end the conflict.
Prior to that, Hamas had claimed that the talks were constructive. Even Egypt and Qatar who were mediators in these talks for peace, had stated that there was some progress in the latest round of talks. Apparently, that was until the USA envoy Witkoff pushed the blame on Hamas for an impasse into the negotiations.


So much, for Trump ending all these wars in 24 hours!!

Good to hear Carney come out to condemn Netanyahu for not pausing in this war in Gaza, so that food and medical aid could reach the desperate residents of Gaza.
carney supports a two State solution to end this crisis!!
 

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Its not at all vague if you bothered to read his statement.
I read his statement.

France will join the majority of countries in the world that recognize the state of Palestine, presently under an illegal occupation by Israel and an order by the UN to end the occupation.
Exactly.
Quite vague.
He's not even committing to what version of "recognize the state of Palestine" he means.

Most likely "The 1967 borders" but didn't even say that, and won't commit to all the other problems that come with that.

Which is fine, actually.
Most people have left it as a vague "we will deal with all that later" statements.
I was curious, given that this is the first G7 country to do this, if he was going to lay down a stronger marker.

Doesn't look like it.

(Let's remember that he backed out of doing it in June.)
 
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I read his statement.



Exactly.
Quite vague.
He's not even committing to what version of "recognize the state of Palestine" he means.

Most likely "The 1967 borders" but didn't even say that, and won't commit to all the other problems that come with that.

Which is fine, actually.
Most people have left it as a vague "we will deal with all that later" statements.
I was curious, given that this is the first G7 country to do this, if he was going to lay down a stronger marker.

Doesn't look like it.

(Let's remember that he backed out of doing it in June.)
Why would you expect him to name the borders?
Not one single Israel supporter, you included, can even name the borders of Israel.
That will be up to the ICC, ICJ and UN.

Israel needs to be dismantled, its leaders put on trial and restitution paid for 75 years of occupation, apartheid and genocide.

As usual, you are here to criticize those standing against the genocide.
 
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Why would you expect him to name the borders?
Not one single Israel supporter, you included, can even name the borders of Israel.
That will be up to the ICC, ICJ and UN.

Israel needs to be dismantled, its leaders put on trial and restitution paid for 75 years of occupation, apartheid and genocide.

As usual, you are here to criticize those standing against the genocide.
LOL
 

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Why would you expect him to name the borders?
Not one single Israel supporter, you included, can even name the borders of Israel.
That will be up to the ICC, ICJ and UN.
Various people have recognized different borders and capitols in their recognition.
And like I said, I wouldn't expect him to necessarily commit to it, I was wondering if he was trying something more bold.

Israel needs to be dismantled, its leaders put on trial and restitution paid for 75 years of occupation, apartheid and genocide.
So this must piss you off, since he is explicitly doing this to try and preserve a two-state solution, and you're advocating for the dismantling of Israel.

As usual, you are here to criticize those standing against the genocide.
When did I criticize him for standing against the genocide?
And yes, the whole West Bank settler situation is one of those things that I would have been intrigued if he addressed.
 

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Various people have recognized different borders and capitols in their recognition.
And like I said, I wouldn't expect him to necessarily commit to it, I was wondering if he was trying something more bold.
What bold proposal were you expecting?

So this must piss you off, since he is explicitly doing this to try and preserve a two-state solution, and you're advocating for the dismantling of Israel.
As Germany was dismantled after the end of the nazi regime.


When did I criticize him for standing against the genocide?
And yes, the whole West Bank settler situation is one of those things that I would have been intrigued if he addressed.
I'd argue that calling his statement vague and saying you doubt he'll hold to it is criticizing him and his actions.
 

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What bold proposal were you expecting?
I wasn't.
I was wondering if he was going to do one.

As Germany was dismantled after the end of the nazi regime.
Broken into 4 zones occupied by different forces?
Split down the middle with a wall?
Do you have a preference?

I'd argue that calling his statement vague and saying you doubt he'll hold to it is criticizing him and his actions.
Of course you would.
Anything other than unreserved praise for whatever you think is good at that moment is Zionism.

What do you think of Belgium I wonder.
 

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I wasn't.
I was wondering if he was going to do one.
It sounded more like you were attempting to belittle the announcement.


Broken into 4 zones occupied by different forces?
Split down the middle with a wall?
Do you have a preference?
My preference is that it go through the ICJ, ICC and UN and they rule and decide, along with fair restitution.
A return to rules based governance would be good for the planet.

Of course you would.
Anything other than unreserved praise for whatever you think is good at that moment is Zionism.
Rules based governance and human rights, not Wilhoit conservatism.
Same as I argue on other subjects.

What do you think of Belgium I wonder.
The more that recognize the state of Palestine the more pressure to end the genocide and occupation.
 

Valcazar

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It sounded more like you were attempting to belittle the announcement.
Of course it did.
I didn't imply it meant more than it did and I asked for further information.
Cardinal sins in your world.

My preference is that it go through the ICJ, ICC and UN and they rule and decide, along with fair restitution.
A return to rules based governance would be good for the planet.
So you want the ICJ to break up Israel and put it under someone's control?
You did say "dismantle".
Presumably this involves an invasion, of course.

The more that recognize the state of Palestine the more pressure to end the genocide and occupation.
So this waffling by them must be frustrating.
 
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