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G20 tells euro zone to fix debt crisis in eight days

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Meanwhile, across the pond....

I wonder what the OWS supporters think of bailing out Euro banks?

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G20 tells euro zone to fix debt crisis in eight days

PARIS (Reuters) - The world's leading economies pressed Europe on Saturday to act decisively within eight days to resolve the euro zone's sovereign debt crisis which is endangering the world economy.

In unusually direct language, finance ministers and central bankers of the Group of 20 major economies said they expected an October 23 European Union summit to "decisively address the current challenges through a comprehensive plan".

French Finance Minister Francois Baroin, who chaired the meeting, said Berlin and Paris, the leading euro zone powers, were well on the way to agreeing a plan to reduce Greece's debt, stop contagion and protect Europe's banks.

Non-euro countries highlighted the damage the European crisis was already doing to their economies and underlined the urgent need for action by the 17-nation single currency area.

"Europe needs to get its act together because unless the crisis is put to an end, it will start to affect emerging economies which have enjoyed strong growth," Japanese Finance Minister Jun Azumi said.

His Canadian counterpart, Jim Flaherty, said the risk of a global recession would be dramatically higher if next Sunday's European summit failed to deliver.


British finance minister George Osborne told reporters his continental euro zone colleagues "will have left Paris under no misunderstanding that there is a huge amount of pressure on them to deliver a solution to the crisis".

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told reporters he was encouraged that the latest EU moves toward an overall strategy to tackle the two-year-old crisis contained the right elements, notably a recapitalization of European banks.

"They clearly have more work to do on the strategy and the details, but when France and Germany agree on a plan together and decide to act, big things are possible," Geithner said.

"I am encouraged by the speed and direction in which they are moving."

The communique urged the euro zone "to maximize the impact of the EFSF (bailout fund) in order to address contagion". EU officials said the most likely option was to use the 440 billion euro fund to offer partial loss insurance to buyers of stressed member states' bonds in a bid to stabilize the market.

Efforts by some countries to increase the IMF's warchest to fight the crisis ran into resistance from the United States and others on Friday, burying the idea for now and putting the onus firmly back on Europe.

Geither said the IMF already had very substantial financial firepower and Washington would support committing more of the existing resources to supplement a well-designed European strategy with more euro zone funding.

As the G20 finance ministers and central bankers met in Paris, anti-capitalist protesters rallied around the world, shouting their rage against bankers and politicians accused of ruining economies and condemning millions to hardship through greed and bad government.

Many of the protests, galvanized by the Occupy Wall Street movement, were small and peaceful. But in Rome hundreds of hooded rioters burned cars and smashed shop and bank windows in some of the worst violence in the Italian capital for years.

RESISTANCE FROM BANKS

Germany and France are trying to put flesh on the bones of a crisis resolution plan in time for the EU summit.

It will involve plans to recapitalize banks, make Greek's debt mountain more sustainable and ramp up the firepower of the bloc's rescue fund..

For once in the long-running crisis, the timetable is ambitious. But analysts see risks that forcing banks, the main source of business investment in Europe, to raise more capital could doom the region's faltering growth, and that the reduction in Greek debt may be too small to avoid a default.

There were growing signs that Athens' creditor banks will fight any attempt to make them shoulder a bigger burden in restructuring Greece's debts. The lead negotiator of the banking lobby representing private bondholders said there were no grounds to impose bigger "voluntary" losses on their debt than the 21 percent agreed in July, which looks insufficient.

"We do not see that a compelling case has been made to reopen the (July) deal. A deal is a deal," Charles Dallara, managing director of the Institute of International Finance (IIF) told the Financial Times.

The G20 statement pledged to ensure banks are adequately capitalized and have sufficient access to funding, and said central banks would continue to provide liquidity to banks as required.

Fears of a Greek default have undermined confidence on volatile markets since late July, with global stocks falling 17 percent from their 2011 high in May.

But they have picked up since the leaders of France and Germany set an end-October deadline for comprehensive action.

NO CHANGE ON YUAN, FOREX LANGUAGE

While the European crisis was the main focus, Washington and Beijing continued to spar over China's currency.

Geithner said China should let the yuan rise more rapidly to benefit global growth.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao rebuffed U.S. pressure for a more rapid appreciation, assuring exporters at the Canton Fair in Guangzhou on Saturday that China's exchange rate would remain "basically stable" to protect them.

Chinese negotiators prevented the G20 from going beyond wording issued at their last meeting in Washington on the need for emerging market nations' currencies to be more flexible.

Ministers agreed that advanced economies would cut deficits while emerging economies would continue their move toward greater exchange rate flexibility and boost domestic consumption.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy wants progress on bigger goals such as setting parameters to measure global imbalances and reining in speculative capital flows at a November 3-4 summit in Cannes, where France passes the G20 baton to Mexico.
 

james t kirk

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8 Days, 8 months, 8 years, the Euro-weenies will never have the guts to do what it takes.

And neither will the USA

or Japan (something like 200% in debt last time I read, though remarkably, all owned by Japanese, unlike Uncle Sam which is owned by China)

Only the Germans and to a lesser extent the British and French (a much lesser extent) seem to give a shit.
 

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8 Days, 8 months, 8 years, the Euro-weenies will never have the guts to do what it takes.

And neither will the USA

or Japan (something like 200% in debt last time I read, though remarkably, all owned by Japanese, unlike Uncle Sam which is owned by China)

Only the Germans and to a lesser extent the British and French (a much lesser extent) seem to give a shit.
Here is the list: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html
 

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Those numbers are calculated using some sort of fuzzy accounting priciples where internal debt is not considered. If you add the other 5 trillion that the USA printed up, the numbers for the USA are much worse.

US Federal debt now exceeds 100% of GDP in reality.

Since 1990, U.S. federal debt has more than quadrupled while Canada’s debt rose by about 55%. In the 10 years ended in 2010, Canada’s debt showed a moderate decline and U.S. debt doubled. Why the differences? Statistics show that Canada has made an effort to reduce debt and paid off over $90 billion from 1997 through 2008. The recent increase was entirely due to the global recession. U.S. debt has consistently risen, especially in the last 10 years. Major drivers of the increase over that last decade according to the PEW Center were: recession related revenue declines (28%), defence spending (13%; cost of the wars on terror alone were over $2.4 trillion to the end of 2009 according to Homeland Security Research), Bush tax cuts (13%), increases in net interest (11%), and other non-defence spending (10%).

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/31335--chart-canada-vs-u-s-on-national-debt



I know you like to kid yourself that the USA is in better shape than it really is - so knock yourself out.
 

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bottie goes BIGTIME for the fuzzy math!
Learnt it in business school, he did!...:eyebrows:
 

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Given the short maturity profile of the US gov's debt, should interest rates rise in the not too distant future, that smug attitude you have towards Europe will disappear really fast.

The world is quickly weening itself off the need to hold US dollar precautionary balances. One of the reason I suspect that the chinese are getting rather aggressive in the purchase of companies overseas (among which Canada has figured prominently of late) is that they want to trade that funny money they have for real assets, especially oil, that are likely to get dearer in dollar terms in future. Also, I for the life of me don't understand why the chinese and the gulf oil states would want to play a role in funding the US military; if the yanks had to actually pay taxes to afford their guns, the military budget would be alot smaller than it is currently.
 

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Given the short maturity profile of the US gov's debt, should interest rates rise in the not too distant future, that smug attitude you have towards Europe will disappear really fast.

The world is quickly weening itself off the need to hold US dollar precautionary balances. One of the reason I suspect that the chinese are getting rather aggressive in the purchase of companies overseas (among which Canada has figured prominently of late) is that they want to trade that funny money they have for real assets, especially oil, that are likely to get dearer in dollar terms in future. Also, I for the life of me don't understand why the chinese and the gulf oil states would want to play a role in funding the US military; if the yanks had to actually pay taxes to afford their guns, the military budget would be alot smaller than it is currently.
 
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