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Now that the shooting war is over (for now). There are rumours about Gaza reconstruction efforts:

1) Rumour 1 - Saudi Arabia is sending US$1 billion.
2) Rumour 2 - The Government of Iran (not the people) is sending an additional 1,000 rockets.
3) Rumour 3 - Other countries are sending food and medicine.
 

slowandeasy

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I am sure there will be lots of international aid sent... The part that sickens me is that most of that aid will end up in the hands of the Hamas leaders who will not use it for its intended purpose...
 

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Rockslinger said:
Now that the shooting war is over (for now). There are rumours about Gaza reconstruction efforts:

1) Rumour 1 - Saudi Arabia is sending US$1 billion.
2) Rumour 2 - The Government of Iran (not the people) is sending an additional 1,000 rockets.
3) Rumour 3 - Other countries are sending food and medicine.
You are a couple of orders of magnitude low on the Iranian contribution
 

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slowandeasy said:
I am sure there will be lots of international aid sent... The part that sickens me is that most of that aid will end up in the hands of the Hamas leaders who will not use it for its intended purpose...
Unfortunatly until the palistinian people who actually try to live and work in the Gaza stand up and say no more it will continue.

It is to cry
 

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slowandeasy said:
I am sure there will be lots of international aid sent...
Yup, so they can rebuild Gaza back up so Israel can blow it up again. Money down the tubes.
 

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Just saying.....

Since the USA has a 'moral' obligation to rebuild what they destroyed in Iraq, should not Israel be held to a similar standard in Gaza?!?!?!?!...:cool:
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Since the USA has a 'moral' obligation to rebuild what they destroyed in Iraq, should not Israel be held to a similar standard in Gaza?!?!?!?!...:cool:
if isreal can get a real peace program going with the palistinian people they would probably be happy to help rebuild
 

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Since the USA has a 'moral' obligation to rebuild what they destroyed in Iraq, should not Israel be held to a similar standard in Gaza?!?!?!?!...:cool:
Then you'd complain about Israeli companies making money of the reconstruction (just as foreign companies made money rebuilding Iraq).
 

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NOT if they hire Gazans to do the rebuilding!....;)
 

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I remember the first time Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005... The Israelis left behind a few state-of-the-art greenhouses in which they had grown food (the soil in that part of the world can be pretty arid, after all).

What did the Palestinians do with this gift? Within hours, they wantonly smashed everything to bits: the hydroponic systems, the glass windows, everything. Just smashed it all to hell.

Sorry, but after that episode, I feel that any kind of meaningful rebuilding effort will be wasted. Hospitals will be instantly converted into weapons caches, schools transformed back into rocket launch sites.

The problem with the militant factions among the Pals is that they don't want peace, and the only reason they want the land is so that Israel WON'T have it. If they could killl every last Jew in Israel, they would be happy to sit on the sand and starve, content in the knowledge that the land is theirs to squander.
 

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Inferno said:
I remember the first time Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005... The Israelis left behind a few state-of-the-art greenhouses in which they had grown food (the soil in that part of the world can be pretty arid, after all).

What did the Palestinians do with this gift? Within hours, they wantonly smashed everything to bits: the hydroponic systems, the glass windows, everything. Just smashed it all to hell.

Sorry, but after that episode, I feel that any kind of meaningful rebuilding effort will be wasted. Hospitals will be instantly converted into weapons caches, schools transformed back into rocket launch sites.

The problem with the militant factions among the Pals is that they don't want peace, and the only reason they want the land is so that Israel WON'T have it. If they could killl every last Jew in Israel, they would be happy to sit on the sand and starve, content in the knowledge that the land is theirs to squander.
You are in large part correct, the terrorist factions will indeed do what ever they need to do to atain there ends, it is the palistinian people who need to make this work until they do anything else is just marking time.
 

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The Germans and the Japanese rebuilt their countries after the much much worst carnage of WW II. Are the Palestinians not capable of doing same?
 

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Rockslinger said:
The Germans and the Japanese rebuilt their countries after the much much worst carnage of WW II. Are the Palestinians not capable of doing same?
Sadly, you cannot compare the Germans and Japanese - two of the most industrious nations on the planet - to the Palestinians.

The Palestinians have had ample opportunities and resources to build up their infrastructure and improve the lives of their people. Instead, they chose to invest in the tools of hatred and terrorism: suicide bombs, pipe rockets, etc.

Seriously, can you imagine the Germans and Japanese destroying greenhouses that were given to them for free???
 

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Rockslinger said:
The Germans and the Japanese rebuilt their countries after the much much worst carnage of WW II. Are the Palestinians not capable of doing same?
I expect that the palistinians would be very happy to rebuild and carry on with their lives, with some help yes they could rebuild but there is no point in anyone doing that until the Palistinian people say enough and kick the terrorists out. Until that point everybody is just killing time .
 

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First of all...does anybody really think that money will be coming in the amount the countries pledge. It is just smoke and mirrors....and lies with strings attached. Secondly whatever financial aid does come it will be used to buy ordinants from the Iranians. Nothing will trickle down to the common Palestinian...sad.....very sad.

But now is the time to force both Israel and the Palestinians to the table and force them into a settlement. Western countries are spending too much time and money in this part of the world rather than looking after their own people. Want proof?.....you don't have to go farther than the gasoline pump. Everytime there is a whiff of war the speculators use that excuse to jack up the price of oil
 

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Update on the Gaza carnage

1,300 killed and 5,500 wounded in this great IDF victory....:rolleyes:

Gaza rebuild 'to cost billions'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7839075.stm

Rebuilding the Gaza Strip after Israel's three-week offensive will cost billions of dollars, the UN has warned.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been left homeless and 400,000 people still have no running water, it says.

The UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, is currently visiting northern Gaza to see what assistance can be provided.

Ceasefires declared by Palestinian militant groups and Israel are holding, and Israeli troops are expected to complete their pull-out later.

Israeli political sources say the military aims to have withdrawn before Barack Obama's inauguration as the new president of the United States at 1700 GMT.

But analysts say big questions remain, such as who will police Gaza's southern border with Egypt and how much power Hamas still has.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said he wants troops to leave Gaza "as quickly as possible" and some have already left. Hamas has said it will hold fire until Sunday to give Israel time to withdraw.

Meanwhile, an Israeli man was shot and seriously wounded while driving near the Kochav Hashachar settlement in the West Bank.

A previously unknown group calling itself the "al-Bashair Army" told the Palestinian news agency, Maan, it had carried out the attack.

Rubble

At a news conference in New York, UN Under-Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs John Holmes said hundreds of millions of dollars of aid would be needed immediately to help Gaza's 1.4 million people in the aftermath of the offensive, which ended on Saturday.

Mr Holmes said some neighbourhoods had been almost totally destroyed and many homes reduced to rubble.

Sewage was flowing in the streets, there were huge medical and food needs, and unexploded ordnance was posing a big problem, he said.

While 100,000 people had their water supply restored on Sunday, 400,000 still have no water, he said.

Electricity is available for less than 12 hours a day, and 100,000 people had been displaced, he added.

A total of 50 UN facilities and 21 medical facilities were damaged, he added.

"It may not be very clear who actually won this conflict, if such a concept means anything in Gaza, but I think it's pretty clear who lost and that was the civilian population of Gaza, and to a much lesser extent the civilian population of southern Israel," Mr Holmes told reporters at UN headquarters.

When asked to estimate the costs, Mr Holmes said he could not give exact figures until UN teams in Gaza had completed their assessments, but the likely figure was hundreds of millions, and the overall reconstruction costs would run into billions.... [more]
 

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WoodPeckr said:
1,300 killed and 5,500 wounded in this great IDF victory....:rolleyes:

Gaza rebuild 'to cost billions'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7839075.stm

Rebuilding the Gaza Strip after Israel's three-week offensive will cost billions of dollars, the UN has warned.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been left homeless and 400,000 people still have no running water, it says.

The UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, is currently visiting northern Gaza to see what assistance can be provided.

Ceasefires declared by Palestinian militant groups and Israel are holding, and Israeli troops are expected to complete their pull-out later.

Israeli political sources say the military aims to have withdrawn before Barack Obama's inauguration as the new president of the United States at 1700 GMT.

But analysts say big questions remain, such as who will police Gaza's southern border with Egypt and how much power Hamas still has.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said he wants troops to leave Gaza "as quickly as possible" and some have already left. Hamas has said it will hold fire until Sunday to give Israel time to withdraw.

Meanwhile, an Israeli man was shot and seriously wounded while driving near the Kochav Hashachar settlement in the West Bank.

A previously unknown group calling itself the "al-Bashair Army" told the Palestinian news agency, Maan, it had carried out the attack.

Rubble

At a news conference in New York, UN Under-Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs John Holmes said hundreds of millions of dollars of aid would be needed immediately to help Gaza's 1.4 million people in the aftermath of the offensive, which ended on Saturday.

Mr Holmes said some neighbourhoods had been almost totally destroyed and many homes reduced to rubble.

Sewage was flowing in the streets, there were huge medical and food needs, and unexploded ordnance was posing a big problem, he said.

While 100,000 people had their water supply restored on Sunday, 400,000 still have no water, he said.

Electricity is available for less than 12 hours a day, and 100,000 people had been displaced, he added.

A total of 50 UN facilities and 21 medical facilities were damaged, he added.

"It may not be very clear who actually won this conflict, if such a concept means anything in Gaza, but I think it's pretty clear who lost and that was the civilian population of Gaza, and to a much lesser extent the civilian population of southern Israel," Mr Holmes told reporters at UN headquarters.

When asked to estimate the costs, Mr Holmes said he could not give exact figures until UN teams in Gaza had completed their assessments, but the likely figure was hundreds of millions, and the overall reconstruction costs would run into billions.... [more]
Of course its going to cost billions, all those U,N. beiurocrats have to get their cuts before a shovel goes into the ground
 

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I thought the good citizens of Zimbawe have it bad but it appears that the Gazan Palestinians are actually worse off. Both are ill served by their leadership but at least Mugabe is not lobbing rockets at Israel and inviting the inevitable reaction.
 

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The bills have just started to roll in for Israel. And this is just the financial bill.

Here's one from the UN's Humanitarian chief:

"John Holmes called the steep Palestinian casualty toll "extremely shocking" and suggested the UN might ask Israel to compensate it for wartime damage to UN compounds in Gaza. Hundreds of tons of humanitarian aid were destroyed by an Israeli shelling of the main UN compound."

Seems simple doesn't it. You destroy it, you pay for it.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1232292938792&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
 
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