Golden Pussy...

[Ridgeman08]

The term: "Golden Pussy", came up recently in a thread in the Incall section, and rather than hijack that thread, I thought we could discuss it more openly and without pointing any fingers at anyone in particular. (Note: I have never seen the lady who is the subject of that thread, so I can't speak specifically in that regard, although she was on my TDL at one point... draw from that whatever conclusion you wish. ;-))

This phenomenon is rather prevalent it seems in this hobby... and for good reason. With all us hobbyists going on and on about how "wonderful the SP's we see" are, so its no wonder. We are contributing to this condition more often than we realize... (yes, I am guilty of this as well...)

In my 7+ years as an on again/ off again hobbyist I've seen the onset of this phenomenon on numerous occasions.

For example: A new girl enters the scene, usually through an agency, (but occasionally through the ranks of independents), a hot young star in the making, with a killer bod, drop dead gorgeous looks, and little or no inhibitions when it cums to getting herself and others off. She gets some traction from a few TOFTT'ers, and she gains popularity and starts making some decent $$. She reads some reviews about herself, and decides to go independent, (if she isn't already), thinking she can market herself accordingly and really cash in big! Popularity soars, she has more clients than she can handle, and as this starts to top off, she gets a few bad reviews from clients she's had to "dust-off" in favour of more desirable clients. Eventually she ups her prices, thereby weeding out many of the "low enders", and concentrating strictly on the top clients. This circle continues for awhile, and soon finds it necessary to "re-invent' herself. She may take some time off, change her name, get a flashy new website, (and thanks to our lovely government, makes them membership exclusive), but the game stays essentially the same.

More often than not, if this continues unchecked, one of 2 things happen... She finds herself a sugar daddy and "retires", or prices herself out of the market for most regular hobbyists, and enters the more clandestine world of the true HDH, catering to celebrities and VIP's etc. of which we here in Terbville hear very little about. (I guess there is actually a 3rd option, that goes around every once in awhile as well... and that is when an SP "thinks" she's got a "golden pussy", but really doesn't... but I'm trying to keep this thread light hearted, so I won't get into those specifics at this time, LoL)

IMHO, since I'm not an "agency" guy, the best time to see these ladies is when they are "up'n'comers" just as they enter the indy market and are eager to make a name for themselves. I've been fortunate enough to have seen some of these lovely ladies during that stage, before the onset of golden pussy, and let me tell you THOSE are the best experiences I've had by far in this hobby. Ironically enough, once "golden pussy" sets in, the appeal is gone, and the luster has all but faded.

What's your take on it?

 

[Scarey]

This is what the smart ones do anyway........Just the nature of the beast. They are using their physical assets, charm and guile to make the best choices they can in this industry .Just like any other participant would in any other industry.

 

[wangbang]

My one blog entry from awhile back was about this very subject. I posted:

That is why I have posted many times that guys should think twice about piling on top of a good review.

It's a vicious cycle.

> girl gives good service at a great price
> guys post over the top about her
> she gets overwhelmed
> guys start to complain they can't reach or book her
> she raises rates
> she can no longer meet expectations
> she starts to level out or burn out
> guys start to complain she isn't what she used to be and is overpriced and overrated

 

[surferboy]

Being a capitalist myself I applaud the women that have what it takes to transform themselves from a $250 BP or agency girl to a 3-500 indy. You don't get to the top of the ranks in any business by accident. As far as the attitude of having "golden pu$$y", I could see how having men lusting after you to spend a couple hun an hour for your time could go to your head, & high rollers dropping a couple grand for an evening would just add to that. But for those ladies that blow off a scheduled date with a guy booking for an hour for a bigger fish shame on you. That one hour guy could be your next big whale & chances are he put some planning into his visit with you, whether it be changing his work or personal schedule to suit yours or any number of things a guy does to get ready for his "date". I learned a valuable lesson from my dad when I was starting out in business & tried to push a small contract aside for one 5x bigger. I just seen the big dollar signs & dad explained no matter how small a contract/customer it is you treat every customer the same big or small. It was good advice, less than two years later the big company I worked for went into receivership & the company with the small contract turned into one of my biggest customers to this day.

Not that I have much wisdom that's just my .02 on the subject

 

[Butler1000]

As I tend to to see a girl only a couple of times anyway this doesn't bother me in the least. I don't over pay and am not so invested in the hobby I "have" to see someone. Really it's not like I'll have any regrets over not missing anyone. There is always another.

If a few stars can make it, make the money and have an exit plan then good for them. They don't owe us anything. And we don't owe them either.

 

[Vermeer27]

As the youngsters say "don't hate the player, hate the game."

 

[jcpro]

The bottom line is that we're all playing to win. Why should SPs be any different? Most of them have a short shelf life, there's little wonder they grab what they can. It's a bummer for the guys on a budget or value oriented, but it's not like this well is going to go dry.

 

[bucky88]

Great topic. From what I've noticed, successful agency SPs take one of the following pathways:

1. Stay with the agency until she has reached her financial goals; eg. finishing school. This kind of SP highly values the convenience and security of having an agency arrange clients and incall locations. This SP would stay in the industry from a few months to a few years.

2. Become an indy and charge rates similar to agency rates (i.e. $240 to $260 per hour). This SP wants to retain as much of their agency clientele as possible. This is the easiest route to becoming an indy since most of the existing clientele will follow, as long as she can maintain her standards and effectively manage the bookings and incalls.

3. Become an indy and charge a bit higher rates, usually $300 per hour. A significant portion of the agency clientele will follow the SP, but not as much as with #2. SP will need to market herself more to justify the higher rate; eg. nice website, upscale incall location, etc.

4. Become an indy and charge significantly higher rates - $350 or more per hour. Many of the agency clientele will be discouraged by the higher rates. SP will have to put significant effort in marketing herself as an upscale SP. Some part-time SPs take this approach to drastically limit the number of clients that they see.

A common mistake is that some SPs see the dollar signs of #3 and #4 but don't have the marketing and management ability to pull it off on a long term basis. For most agency SPs thinking of going indy, I think #2 is probably the most sustainable business model.

B88

 

[gimmedub]

So I've started using SeekingArrangement to supplement the escorts I usually see... mixed bag but for the most part I offer dinner/drinks ($100) and $150 for a couple hours at their place... I'd say 20% success rate (maybe 10% when I put in my service demands - swallow/facials) but usually more fun anyways as there's some aspect of mutual attraction vs. the closed door knock ... give it a shot!

 

[jcpro]

Great topic. From what I've noticed, successful agency SPs take one of the following pathways:

1. Stay with the agency until she has reached her financial goals; eg. finishing school. This kind of SP highly values the convenience and security of having an agency arrange clients and incall locations. This SP would stay in the industry from a few months to a few years.

2. Become an indy and charge rates similar to agency rates (i.e. $240 to $260 per hour). This SP wants to retain as much of their agency clientele as possible. This is the easiest route to becoming an indy since most of the existing clientele will follow, as long as she can maintain her standards and effectively manage the bookings and incalls.

3. Become an indy and charge a bit higher rates, usually $300 per hour. A significant portion of the agency clientele will follow the SP, but not as much as with #2. SP will need to market herself more to justify the higher rate; eg. nice website, upscale incall location, etc.

4. Become an indy and charge significantly higher rates - $350 or more per hour. Many of the agency clientele will be discouraged by the higher rates. SP will have to put significant effort in marketing herself as an upscale SP. Some part-time SPs take this approach to drastically limit the number of clients that they see.

A common mistake is that some SPs see the dollar signs of #3 and #4 but don't have the marketing and management ability to pull it off on a long term basis. For most agency SPs thinking of going indy, I think #2 is probably the most sustainable business model.

B88

re. #3. some girls can pull it off other cannot. I've seen a girl that went from agency to indy to agency with a quite a difference in price. I paid at all stages because, at the agency, she was undervalued and as an indy she was at the right price. I knew another one that went from agency to indy with a $100 increase-not much. But, while the service was outstanding as always, the overall package was no longer of the right value(to me). I saw no reason to pay extra. For me, part of the fun, is the financial side of the experience.

 

[Ridgeman08]

Good comments all around!

Understand that when I started this thread, it wasn't with the intention to "knock" on the ladies that make that natural progression from agency to indy to HDH... not at all. Many of them do so quite admirably. My issue is with the SP's that get that "golden pussy" attitude.

There are right ways and wrong ways to blow off (pun intended) a client, (or a provider for that matter), whether its for personal or professional reasons. No one likes to get flaked on, but it happens far to often, for the wrong reasons, on both sides of the spectrum.

 

[Caspertheghost]

Thank God I have a golden brain and golden work ethic. Helps me afford the golden tits and pussy!

 

[bucky88]

Good comments all around!

Understand that when I started this thread, it wasn't with the intention to "knock" on the ladies that make that natural progression from agency to indy to HDH... not at all. Many of them do so quite admirably. My issue is with the SP's that get that "golden pussy" attitude.

There are right ways and wrong ways to blow off (pun intended) a client, (or a provider for that matter), whether its for personal or professional reasons. No one likes to get flaked on, but it happens far to often, for the wrong reasons, on both sides of the spectrum.

Thanks Ridge. BTW what does HDH stand for?

B88

 

[Ridgeman08]

Thanks Ridge. BTW what does HDH stand for?

B88

High Dollar Hottie (or Honey...)

 

[dirkd101]

Great thread Ridge and I cannot agree with you more on your take on the matter.

I can't add much more value, as some of the other brethren have made excellent posts about the Golden Pussy. I would have to say that the phenomenon is real and we've all witnessed it.

I would add though, that GP exists were a girl thinks she can live on past reviews on her service, without raising rates, but lowering her level of service, believing that the guys are just lucky enough to stick it in her.