Green Party kicked out the debate for openly trying to help Liberals win.

[DesRicardo]

Bastard got what he deserved.

He pulled Green Party candidates out of ridings where Conservatives were winning to funnel votes to the Liberals.

Now he no longer meets the requirement to be eligible to participate. Hopefully the end for this party.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/leaders-debate-commission-green-party-removed-1.7511447

 

[oil&gas]

Green Party is Canada's only hope for leadership in fighting
climate change for real. With the Liberals in charge you can
be assured carbon emission will only continue going up.

 

[optimusprime69]

Bastard got what he deserved.

He pulled Green Party candidates out of riding where Conservatives were winning to funnel votes to the Liberals.

Now he no longer meets the requirement to be eligible to participate. Hopefully the end for this party.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/leaders-debate-commission-green-party-removed-1.7511447

Smooth move exlax.

 

[squeezer]

Bastard got what he deserved.
He pulled Green Party candidates out of riding where Conservatives were winning to funnel votes to the Liberals.

How so if they are pulling out of ridings where the Neocons will likely win? Do you really believe enough folks vote for Green that would change the LIBS chances in those ridings?? LMAO, man you folks are getting so desperate and I LOVE IT. Your bigger issue is the PPC party who may funnel a few votes away from the WEF loving PEE PEE. Just ask @canada-man.

"On Tuesday, co-Leader Jonathan Pedneault told CBC News that the party had pulled about 15 candidates out of the race in a "strategic decision" not to run them in ridings where the party thinks Conservatives will likely win."

 

[Valcazar]

I'm still confused by this.

Dropping 15 candidates would still keep the Greens above the 90 per cent threshold set out by the debates commission, but even after accounting for those 15 candidates, the party is still not running candidates in another 96 of the remaining 343 ridings up for grabs

It sounds like they didn't qualify for the 90% of ridings even before taking these 15 people out.

 

[seanzo]

The Greens have always been Elizabeth May's cult of personality. I reckon this fellow will last about as long as that bald black lady who's name escapes me at the moment

 

[DesRicardo]

How so if they are pulling out of ridings where the Neocons will likely win? Do you really believe enough folks vote for Green that would change the LIBS chances in those ridings?? LMAO, man you folks are getting so desperate and I LOVE IT. Your bigger issue is the PPC party who may funnel a few votes away from the WEF loving PEE PEE. Just ask @canada-man.

"On Tuesday, co-Leader Jonathan Pedneault told CBC News that the party had pulled about 15 candidates out of the race in a "strategic decision" not to run them in ridings where the party thinks Conservatives will likely win."

Trust me, I will take the Leaders’ Debates Commission (LDC) word on this over yours.

“Mr. Pedneault said the day before the debate that they had withdrawn voluntarily some of these candidates from running for strategic reasons and to actually prevent the election of the Conservative Party,” said LDC Executive Director Michel Cormier, in an interview on CTV Power Play with Vassy Kapelos on Thursday.

“This was a breach of the whole philosophy of the debates and of the criteria, and then we had no choice but actually to withdraw the invitation,” Cormier added.

Green Party of Canada exploring legal options after debate exclusion: Pedneault

Green Party of Canada co-leader Jonathan Pedneault says his team is exploring its legal options after the Leaders' Debates Commission (LDC) announced this week it would rescind the party's invitations to both of the 2025 election debates.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

 

[squeezer]

Trust me, I will take the Leaders’ Debates Commission (LDC) word on this over yours.

“Mr. Pedneault said the day before the debate that they had withdrawn voluntarily some of these candidates from running for strategic reasons and to actually prevent the election of the Conservative Party,” said LDC Executive Director Michel Cormier, in an interview on CTV Power Play with Vassy Kapelos on Thursday.

“This was a breach of the whole philosophy of the debates and of the criteria, and then we had no choice but actually to withdraw the invitation,” Cormier added.

Green Party of Canada exploring legal options after debate exclusion: Pedneault

Green Party of Canada co-leader Jonathan Pedneault says his team is exploring its legal options after the Leaders' Debates Commission (LDC) announced this week it would rescind the party's invitations to both of the 2025 election debates.

www.bnnbloomberg.ca

That's fine! I would give the Green Party leaders a big fist pump if this is why they did it! Keeping the NEOCONS out is in everyone's best interest. They should have kicked the Bloc out for the English debate as well.

 

[DesRicardo]

That's fine! I would give the Green Party leaders a big fist pump if this is why they did it! Keeping the NEOCONS out is in everyone's best interest. They should have kicked the Bloc out for the English debate as well.

I know you are fine with it. You are unethical.

 

[Valcazar]

“This was a breach of the whole philosophy of the debates and of the criteria, and then we had no choice but actually to withdraw the invitation,” Cormier added.

I'm still unsure how it is a breach of the criteria, though.
It seems to me they never qualified in the first place.

 

[DesRicardo]

I'm still unsure how it is a breach of the criteria, though.
It seems to me they never qualified in the first place.

-"Parties must meet two of the following three criteria in order to be invited to the debates: having at least one sitting MP who's been elected as a member of that party; having at least four per cent national support in opinion polls; and running candidates in at least 90 per cent of all ridings."

-The commission said the Green Party had initially submitted a list of 343 names in March, but Elections Canada only lists 232 candidates who have finalized their nominations with Elections Canada who are running under the Green banner.

-"Deliberately reducing the number of candidates running for strategic reasons is inconsistent with the Commission's interpretation of party viability, which criterion (iii) was designed to measure,"

The Leaders' Debates Commission turned a blind eye to The Green Party not qualifying, but they continued lowering their candidates strategically. In order to keep the integrity of the process the dropped them. They could have got away with it, but didn't know when to stop or shut up about it.

 

[Valcazar]

-"Parties must meet two of the following three criteria in order to be invited to the debates: having at least one sitting MP who's been elected as a member of that party; having at least four per cent national support in opinion polls; and running candidates in at least 90 per cent of all ridings."

-The commission said the Green Party had initially submitted a list of 343 names in March, but Elections Canada only lists 232 candidates who have finalized their nominations with Elections Canada who are running under the Green banner.

-"Deliberately reducing the number of candidates running for strategic reasons is inconsistent with the Commission's interpretation of party viability, which criterion (iii) was designed to measure,"

The Leaders' Debates Commission turned a blind eye to The Green Party not qualifying, but they continued lowering their candidates strategically. In order to keep the integrity of the process the dropped them. They could have got away with it, but didn't know when to stop or shut up about it.

I guess so.
It's just transparently bullshit.

They were at 232 - far less than the 90% needed to qualify.
These 15 people had nothing to do with it.
Even if you put them back they weren't at 90%, so why were they in the debate in the first place?
They had failed to qualify.

The whole "Well, we broke our own rules about criteria but now we're embarrassed by it so we are making up a new rule that doesn't change the math but we say is the secret real reason for the rule we were ignoring" is pretty fucking shitty behavior by the Comission.

They should have thrown the Greens out when they didn't have the numbers at the deadline.

This new "You aren't allowed to pretend you are in a single-member district first-past-the-post system" is a bad precedent to set.

 

[DesRicardo]

I guess so.
It's just transparently bullshit.

They were at 232 - far less than the 90% needed to qualify.
These 15 people had nothing to do with it.
Even if you put them back they weren't at 90%, so why were they in the debate in the first place?
They had failed to qualify.

The whole "Well, we broke our own rules about criteria but now we're embarrassed by it so we are making up a new rule that doesn't change the math but we say is the secret real reason for the rule we were ignoring" is pretty fucking shitty behavior by the Comission.

They should have thrown the Greens out when they didn't have the numbers at the deadline.

This new "You aren't allowed to pretend you are in a single-member district first-past-the-post system" is a bad precedent to set.

The Green's initial list had 343 in March. Then they started bragging about dropping candidates which made the commission check again (supposedly).

If they stayed silent, they would have slip through (supposedly).

A part of me is feeling they wanted the Green Party in the debate as Carney's attack dogs on Poilievre.

 

[JohnLarue]

Green Party is Canada's only hope for leadership in fighting
climate change for real. With the Liberals in charge you can
be assured carbon emission will only continue going up.

i have no issue with true environmentalism such as reducing pollution and protecting our rivers, lakes and oceans

the climate change nonsense has become a ridiculous descent into propaganda driven political idiocy

mankind does not, never has and never will control climate
Co2 is the gas responsible for all organic life on the planet and is not driving out constantly evolving, dynamic and extremely complex climate.

 

[JohnLarue]

The Green's initial list had 343 in March. Then they started bragging about dropping candidates which made the commission check again (supposedly).

If they stayed silent, they would have slip through (supposedly).

A part of me is feeling they wanted the Green Party in the debate as Carney's attack dogs on Poilievre.

Poilievre's plan is the only plan that actually make sense if you truly want to reduce global emissions of harmless CO2

Lets export our abundance of natural gas and low emission oil to Asia and reduce the amount of dung, firewood, and coal they use.

taxing our economy for using non-discretionary energy makes zero sense unless you are a politician looking to spend more of other peoples money
it will make Canada less competitive, cost thousands of jobs and make our country poorer.

 

[Valcazar]

The Green's initial list had 343 in March. Then they started bragging about dropping candidates which made the commission check again (supposedly).

If they stayed silent, they would have slip through (supposedly).

A part of me is feeling they wanted the Green Party in the debate as Carney's attack dogs on Poilievre.

If the rules are "it only matters when they submit the initial list" then those should be the rules.

They obviously have a cut-off on the time for when the national polls are counted, they should have a time cut off for the seats.

The whole point of establishing criteria like this is to not fuck around with it after the fact.

It's a pathetic display by the Commission.
(That they are blaming it on the Greens acting properly concerning strategy and resources just makes it worse.)

 

[DesRicardo]

If the rules are "it only matters when they submit the initial list" then those should be the rules.

They obviously have a cut-off on the time for when the national polls are counted, they should have a time cut off for the seats.

The whole point of establishing criteria like this is to not fuck around with it after the fact.

It's a pathetic display by the Commission.
(That they are blaming it on the Greens acting properly concerning strategy and resources just makes it worse.)

The rules are very clear: running candidates in at least 90 per cent of all ridings.

The Green Party lied. At the end of the day, the Commission got it right.

Now we understand was the TVA debate asked for a $75,000 entry fee. It's costs money to have things done right.

 

[Valcazar]

The rules are very clear: running candidates in at least 90 per cent of all ridings.

Yes.
And the Commission invented another bullshit reason for kicking them out instead,

The Greens had failed to qualify long before this but the Commission didn't do their job,
So they made up a new criteria that now they were applying ("Oh, it made us recheck and do our actual fucking job".)

The Green Party lied. At the end of the day, the Commission got it right.

Now we understand was the TVA debate asked for a $75,000 entry fee. It's costs money to have things done right.

If "it takes money for it to be done right" is the excuse, that's even more of an indictment of the Commission.

I hope they actually put rules they intend to enforce properly next time, instead of this bullshit.
If they are just going to do bullshit, you may as well just make it private debates like the TVA one.

 

[DesRicardo]

Poilievre's plan is the only plan that actually make sense if you truly want to reduce global emissions of harmless CO2

Lets export our abundance of natural gas and low emission oil to Asia and reduce the amount of dung, firewood, and coal they use.

taxing our economy for using non-discretionary energy makes zero sense unless you are a politician looking to spend more of other peoples money
it will make Canada less competitive, cost thousands of jobs and make our country poorer.

We can only pray right now. It makes much more sense to bring their emissions down than taxing the shit out of us. Dramatically decreasing their pollution has an undeniably bigger impact.

Plus the more we sell, the wealthier the nation gets. We need to be real, there is no other cash cow in Canada (other than jacking up real estate).