Growing number of Canadians say Trudeau doing 'bad job' on vaccine rollout even as pace quickens

[james t kirk]

The USA will be fully vaccinated in 2 months. The vaccines will flow north then.

As of today, 11.7 percent of the US population is fully vaccinated (so about 10 times that of Canada). 11.7 percent is still a small number.

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I am very skeptical that basically 90 percent of the USA's population will be vaccinated in the next 2 months.

In the meantime, Canadians will continue to die, we will continue to be "locked down" ,our economy will continue to be punished and Mr. Dressup will continue to run massive deficits. None of those results are a good thing.

 

[Fun For All]

Some of these people would get up and find it raining on their kids soccer game and some how blame it on Trudeau.

 

[bver_hunter]

As of today, 11.7 percent of the US population is fully vaccinated (so about 10 times that of Canada). 11.7 percent is still a small number.

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I am very skeptical that basically 90 percent of the USA's population will be vaccinated in the next 2 months.

In the meantime, Canadians will continue to die, we will continue to be "locked down" ,our economy will continue to be punished and Mr. Dressup will continue to run massive deficits. None of those results are a good thing.

Canada is not as bad as the USA, UK, Israel, & EU Countries with respect to the Deaths and Infection rates. Again Canada is 47th unlike countries like The USA, UK and Israel that have the top ten infections and death rates per capita. But you will never give the Government of Canada any credit for it, we know. While the EU have to share their vaccines with all their own nations, The USA has refused to do the same with Canada. In fact shipments of these vaccines from the EU were deliberately delayed when shipped to countries like Canada and Australia.

So tell us Mr Genius, how or where should Canada get their vaccines when they are not manufactured here thanks to rash decisions by the Conservatives in getting rid of our capabilities here. Canada have had to go to square one and to get a manufacturing plant and research lab for the mRNA type of vaccines up and running. It won't be until early next year that they can manufacture them here!!

 

[squeezer]

Canada is not as bad as the USA, UK, Israel, & EU Countries with respect to the Deaths and Infection rates. Again Canada is 47th unlike countries like The USA, UK and Israel that have the top ten infections and death rates per capita. But you will never give the Government of Canada any credit for it, we know. While the EU have to share their vaccines with all their own nations, The USA has refused to do the same with Canada. In fact shipments of these vaccines from the EU were deliberately delayed when shipped to countries like Canada and Australia.

So tell us Mr Genius, how or where should Canada get their vaccines when they are not manufactured here thanks to rash decisions by the Conservatives in getting rid of our capabilities here. Canada have had to go to square one and to get a manufacturing plant and research lab for the mRNA type of vaccines up and running. It won't be until early next year that they can manufacture them here!!

BINGO, it is so easy to sit back and be the armchair quarterback and criticize. I don't see any other leader or party member offer up a solution to a shitload of vaccine supply.

As for Doug and the rollout, they are working on it. It's new so I cut them a break too.

 

[Valcazar]

You do realize it is the Provincial goverment handling the golden jab process that caused your 80 + year old parent to wait 3 hours + right? Why are you not blasting Doug?

Yeah, my 80-year olds here in Montreal showed up for their appointment and the whole thing took about 30 minutes (including the wait afterwards to make sure they didn't have a reaction).

 

[glamphotographer]

I'm always honest. Why would I bother lying to people on this board?

I'm skeptical O Tool would do a better job.

O Tool would have done a better job at keeping the economy open and more people dying.

 

[glamphotographer]

So Toronto is considering 24/7 vaccine sites determined by supply.

 

[Valcazar]

However, just give it some time. As the Americans get vaccinated (and Canadians do not due to the lack of vaccine), the American numbers will fall and Canadian numbers will continue unabated. I would not be surprised to see Canada's numbers pass the American numbers when adjusted for population.

I would, just because the American numbers, even taking population into account, are so bad.
The gap will close, though. I just don't think we will pass them.

The USA will be fully vaccinated in 2 months. The vaccines will flow north then.

I would be shocked if they managed that time line. How are you defining "fully vaccinated"?

 

[bver_hunter]

BINGO, it is so easy to sit back and be the armchair quarterback and criticize. I don't see any other leader or party member offer up a solution to a shitload of vaccine supply.

As for Doug and the rollout, they are working on it. It's new so I cut them a break too.

Yes I agree that we should see how they handle the administering of these vaccines. However, they knew in advance that the vaccines will eventually be arriving for the mass vaccinations.
That is why the online enrolments etc should have been up and running, and no excuses like they are working on it and should be all set to go in the middle of March for online appointments. Also those with compromised immune system are being prioritized. That is good news, but still no timelines as to when they will do so. Only the Seniors have definite set dates.

 

[redshank]

Some of these people would get up and find it raining on their kids soccer game and some how blame it on Trudeau.

Give them a break. They don’t want their kids to get cold and moistly

 

[Leimonis]

I would be shocked if they managed that time line. How are you defining "fully vaccinated"?

readily available for everyone who wants it?

 

[Valcazar]

Yes I agree that we should see how they handle the administering of these vaccines. However, they knew in advance that the vaccines will eventually be arriving for the mass vaccinations.
That is why the online enrolments etc should have been up and running, and no excuses like they are working on it and should be all set to go in the middle of March for online appointments.

That was clearly what was happening in Quebec. We went from having nothing - no dates, an empty website, and some hand waving to shit being up and ready to go in days. Someone was doing the work behind the scenes because if you asked me three weeks ago I would have been convinced no one would even know how to get an appointment by now.

 

[Valcazar]

readily available for everyone who wants it?

I consider that more "fully supplied".
If you take the early estimates for the base R of the virus being around 2.5 then playing it safe how about 70% of the population?

I still think that would be unlikely, but maybe not impossible on that timeline.

 

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[QUOTE="bver_hunter, post: 6982932, member: 62226
So tell us Mr Genius, how or where should Canada get their vaccines when they are not manufactured here thanks to rash decisions by the Conservatives in getting rid of our capabilities here. Canada have had to go to square one and to get a manufacturing plant and research lab for the mRNA type of vaccines up and running. It won't be until early next year that they can manufacture them here!!
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Dude, re-read post # 31. We already have the capabilities. The Trudeau government chose not to use them.

 

[mandrill]

Uh, yeah. We are nowhere near the best in the world at handling COVID. I don't know where you're getting that idea.

Canada has better numbers with respect to COVID deaths than the Americans. But that's not saying much is it. And you, like a lot of Canadians, like to get all smug about that.

This chart shows both cases per 100k of population and deaths per 100k of population. You can see that Canada is not the worst, but we are far far from the best.

However, just give it some time. As the Americans get vaccinated (and Canadians do not due to the lack of vaccine), the American numbers will fall and Canadian numbers will continue unabated. I would not be surprised to see Canada's numbers pass the American numbers when adjusted for population.

Seriously, dude?!

The USA is running at about 4x infection per population #'s than Canada. That's a lot!

 

[squeezer]

Yes I agree that we should see how they handle the administering of these vaccines. However, they knew in advance that the vaccines will eventually be arriving for the mass vaccinations.
That is why the online enrolments etc should have been up and running, and no excuses like they are working on it and should be all set to go in the middle of March for online appointments. Also those with compromised immune system are being prioritized. That is good news, but still no timelines as to when they will do so. Only the Seniors have definite set dates.

The bulk of the vaccines will arrive after March 15th which coincides with the opening of the public portal on the 15th. Up to date, however, 80 + are being called in and along with front line workers are currently being vaccinated.

 

[james t kirk]

Canada is not as bad as the USA, UK, Israel, & EU Countries with respect to the Deaths and Infection rates. Again Canada is 47th unlike countries like The USA, UK and Israel that have the top ten infections and death rates per capita. But you will never give the Government of Canada any credit for it, we know. While the EU have to share their vaccines with all their own nations, The USA has refused to do the same with Canada. In fact shipments of these vaccines from the EU were deliberately delayed when shipped to countries like Canada and Australia.

So tell us Mr Genius, how or where should Canada get their vaccines when they are not manufactured here thanks to rash decisions by the Conservatives in getting rid of our capabilities here. Canada have had to go to square one and to get a manufacturing plant and research lab for the mRNA type of vaccines up and running. It won't be until early next year that they can manufacture them here!!

I believe I already posted all that information in my previous posts. Why don't you learn to read. Or do you need me to hold your hand and spoon feed you?

Quit blaming the conservatives for the failures of Justin Trudeau. It's pathetic already.

Canadians will continue to die due to the incompetence of your boy.

Canada has had 22,000 people roughly die from COVID. We had 45,000 die in WW2. In 1939 McKenzie King inherited a country with 20 planes in the airforce and 6 ships in the navy.. By the end of it, Canada had a million men in uniform and the third largest navy in the world and thousands of planes in the air force. You didn't hear King crying about the last time the conservatives were in power. He was a man of action and he didn't feel it necessary to dress in blackface or show off his cute socks.

Justin Trudeau has failed to take the necessary steps to protect his people by supporting domestic biomedical manufacturing to be able to produce vaccine and as a result thousands of Canadians will needlessly die. That is an empirical fact and it's unforgiveable.

If I've learned one thing in life, it's that money solves problems. Every time. Justin Trudeau is running annual deficits of 450 billion dollars and using COVID as a cover to spend money like a drunken sailor on pet liberal black hole social spending programs that will accomplish nothing. Here's a thought. Why not spend a chunk of that money on an emergency ramp up of biomedical manufacturing to address the problem head on.

 

[james t kirk]

Seriously, dude?!

The USA is running at about 4x infection per population #'s than Canada. That's a lot!

Yes, the USA is a shit show when it comes to the numbers. You can't help stupid. My rant isn't about a stupid populace. My rant is about an utterly incompetent federal government that has failed to take the necessary steps to ramp up domestic manufacturing of vaccine through licensing agreements, partnerships and good old fashioned, "money talks". (AKA, the Israeli approach - which good on Benjamin Netanyahu who is a man of fucking action. He was on the phone with the CEO of Pfizer 8 times, including at 2 am (by his own admission) to strike a deal to secure the necessary supply of vaccine for his people). Our childish Prime Minister stands up the podium and scolds Canadians ad nauseam to wear masks and stay 6 feet apart. I feel so much safer hearing the daily lecture from Mr. Dressup.) Any PM worth his salt would have recognized a year ago that this would happen and would have taken immediate steps to prevent it. He has the money, he has the resources available to him, Canada is not a third world country (though sometimes I wonder.) My message to Trudeau is simple, "get off your ass and do something you fucking moron".

The Americans have us beat hands down on the vaccine numbers and as a result, I expect that the numbers in the USA will continue to fall as Canadians wait patiently in line for the charity of the Americans to save us from ourselves. By the time this is over, I will not be surprised that the Canadian numbers are worse than the American numbers adjusted for population.

It amazes me that anyone would defend Trudeau on this one. Fucking amazes me.

 

[james t kirk]

By the way, the numbers are up 30% in Ontario today.

And tomorrow, Toronto "opens up".

Enjoy it while it lasts folks. (I give it 2 weeks.)

 

[bver_hunter]

I believe I already posted all that information in my previous posts. Why don't you learn to read. Or do you need me to hold your hand and spoon feed you?

Quit blaming the conservatives for the failures of Justin Trudeau. It's pathetic already.

Canadians will continue to die due to the incompetence of your boy.

Canada has had 22,000 people roughly die from COVID. We had 45,000 die in WW2. In 1939 McKenzie King inherited a country with 20 planes in the airforce and 6 ships in the navy.. By the end of it, Canada had a million men in uniform and the third largest navy in the world and thousands of planes in the air force. You didn't hear King crying about the last time the conservatives were in power. He was a man of action and he didn't feel it necessary to dress in blackface or show off his cute socks.

Justin Trudeau has failed to take the necessary steps to protect his people by supporting domestic biomedical manufacturing to be able to produce vaccine and as a result thousands of Canadians will needlessly die. That is an empirical fact and it's unforgiveable.

If I've learned one thing in life, it's that money solves problems. Every time. Justin Trudeau is running annual deficits of 450 billion dollars and using COVID as a cover to spend money like a drunken sailor on pet liberal black hole social spending programs that will accomplish nothing. Here's a thought. Why not spend a chunk of that money on an emergency ramp up of biomedical manufacturing to address the problem head on.

Utter garbage and just your total hatred of The Liberals!! Do you think that you can get vaccine production of the mRNA vaccine in a matter of months?? Have you ever worked in a pharmaceutical environment to try and comprehend what the time frame is to set up a Production Facility plus Research Laboratory to meet GMP guidelines and the stringent protocols and procedures requiring approvals and audits by Health Canada at various stages, the types of Stability Testing to determine the shelf life efficacy, besides the degradation studies. Do not forget the Research and Development time as well as human trials at different Stages. Then you have to hire the staff and train them, while documenting their training etc. Try and comprehend for a change.... the scale of what is involved instead of just spewing out everything in line with Error O'Toole's lies / misinformation. Easy to presume that everything can occur overnight.

The Conservatives sold the Connaught Lab that had all the capabilities of inventing and manufacturing all such vaccines. All in the name of "Free Enterprise" that has now come to haunt the Canadians. Period!!

To compare the Covid-19 deaths to the WWII deaths displays your ridiculousness!! Use a more logical adult comparison that is on a true level playing field. Such as, The USA hand UK have far worse infection and death rates per capita than Canada. Canada are 47th down the list, unlike several other G7 nations that are near or in the top ten. So you are then saying that those leaders / Governments are far worse than our Trudeau / Liberal Government?? Yes?? Canada and another G7 Nation like Australia who are not part of the EU or manufacture their own vaccines are countries that are hit by all the restrictions / bans on exports of vaccines. Yet Canada has vaccinated ten times more people than Australia has. I am not blaming Australia for not being able to vaccinate their people because they eventually will do so. In fact a a large shipment from Belgium of the Pfizer vaccines to Australia was held up and ordered to be diverted to other EU nations. Our Government got that special concession for the most recent shipments. Instead of constantly moaning and groaning, just follow the strict guidelines, by not Social Distancing, but keep on wearing the masks etc and we will still be better off than most nations as far as infections and death rates are concerned.

The previous Trumpty Dumpty administration jacked up a 9 trillion deficit. Yes more than twice the deficit per capita than Canada. Even now the Biden Administration is adding a further 1.9 Trillion to the deficit. Do you think that a magic wand is the answer to this Covid-19??