Harper & Mulroney

[TQM]

You can decide if this reveals anything about Stephen Harper.

Harper was a young Progressive Conservative. He left the party, like so many future Reform Party members, because he couldn't stand Brian Mulroney and his politics.

In his view, Mulroney was too much like the Liberals, too willing to compromise on values, and far too pandering to Quebec. Mulroney and his ministers were hit with a series of scandals while in office. I've never counted, but I'd wager Mulroney had more Cabinet Ministers resign due to scandal than any other Prime Minister in history.

Now no one agrees with everything about one's party leader. But to leave the party when that party's in office, speaks volumes about Harper's mind set at the time.

I understand that Stephen Harper. I admire that Stephen Harper, even if I fundamentally disagree with just about everything he stands for on moral issues.

So what happens? We fast forward more than a decade. Harper now aspires to be Prime Minister and he sees that the only way that will ever happen is if he re-embraces the Progressive Conservative Party and unites with them.

There were 3 men of influence in the Progressive Conservatives - the then current leader Peter Mackay - a man not nearly so powerful as previous leaders; Joe Clark, the former 9 month Prime Minister; and Brian Mulroney.

Mulroney still had his network functioning. Clark, really, never had a network.

Harper realized, quickly, he'd never get Joe Clark on side. In his war on Mulroney, Harper had made an enemy for life out of Clark. But Mulroney's support, in return for continued influence, could be bought. And young Peter Mackay - well what choice did he have? His dad, Elmer, was best friends with Mulroney. And while they were bending his ear, telling him to join up with Harper, the chick who put them all in the same room together in the first place, Belinda Stronach, was sucking on his gonads.

Pretty picture isn't it? Peter Mackay sitting in a hotel room on a conference call with Harper and Mulroney, while getting blown by Stronach.

For those of you who care, the blow job is allegorical. But in effect, we all know that's what happened. Stronach gets Mackay to hook up with Harper as she hooks up with Mackay. Funny coincidence.

Suddenly, Mulroney is a friend and advisor to Harper. They cottage together. Get this - the fucking idiot Prime Minister of ours, who a decade earlier quits the Progressive Conserveratives over Mulroney, invites the Mulroney family to his cottage because doing business is far more important than the values he pontificates about. The guy Harper thought pandered to Quebec is now his advisor! Right.

Well we all know how deep friendships go with Harper.

Let's put it into perspective. Some of you don't like Dalton McGuinty. His finance minister, Greg Sorbara, was put under an RCMP investigation involving potential corruption on non-government matters. Sorbara quickly stepped aside and resigned as a cabinet minister. But McGuinty stood by his friend - he stood by his friend throught the whole over a year long ordeal, and he did so publicly. And when Sorbara was found completely innocent and that the investigation was wrong to even investigate him, Sorbara was quickly back in cabinet.

Harper?

Harper fucks Mulroney. Now of course, the diffrence is Mulroney's likely guilty - it's becoming evident he accepted payments from this Schreiber fellow and that he knew him quite well. It's becoming crystal clear (in spite of Harper's protestations just a week ago) Mulroney lied in his lawsuit against the Canadian Government - a lawsuit which he settled upon receiving payment of your taxpaying dollars of $2.1 million.

Just like that Mulroney has been disavowed. No longer the advisor, confidante, or friend. Fellow Conservative MP's have been ordered to not speak to Mulroney!

You know, if he hadn't befriended Mulroney in the first place, Mulroney's corruption wouldn't have had any impact. If he had stuck to his purported values, he'd be looking good right now.

Harper has again shown us just how much a values kind of guy he is. He isn't.

 

[nervous]

So do you respect him or not?

You can decide if this reveals anything about Stephen Harper.

Harper was a young Progressive Conservative. He left the party, like so many future Reform Party members, because he couldn't stand Brian Mulroney and his politics.

In his view, Mulroney was too much like the Liberals, too willing to compromise on values, and far too pandering to Quebec. Mulroney and his ministers were hit with a series of scandals while in office. I've never counted, but I'd wager Mulroney had more Cabinet Ministers resign due to scandal than any other Prime Minister in history.

Now no one agrees with everything about one's party leader. But to leave the party when that party's in office, speaks volumes about Harper's mind set at the time.

I understand that Stephen Harper. I admire that Stephen Harper, even if I fundamentally disagree with just about everything he stands for on moral issues.

So what happens? We fast forward more than a decade. Harper now aspires to be Prime Minister and he sees that the only way that will ever happen is if he re-embraces the Progressive Conservative Party and unites with them.

There were 3 men of influence in the Progressive Conservatives - the then current leader Peter Mackay - a man not nearly so powerful as previous leaders; Joe Clark, the former 9 month Prime Minister; and Brian Mulroney.

Mulroney still had his network functioning. Clark, really, never had a network.

Harper realized, quickly, he'd never get Joe Clark on side. In his war on Mulroney, Harper had made an enemy for life out of Clark. But Mulroney's support, in return for continued influence, could be bought. And young Peter Mackay - well what choice did he have? His dad, Elmer, was best friends with Mulroney. And while they were bending his ear, telling him to join up with Harper, the chick who put them all in the same room together in the first place, Belinda Stronach, was sucking on his gonads.

Pretty picture isn't it? Peter Mackay sitting in a hotel room on a conference call with Harper and Mulroney, while getting blown by Stronach.

For those of you who care, the blow job is allegorical. But in effect, we all know that's what happened. Stronach gets Mackay to hook up with Harper as she hooks up with Mackay. Funny coincidence.

Suddenly, Mulroney is a friend and advisor to Harper. They cottage together. Get this - the fucking idiot Prime Minister of ours, who a decade earlier quits the Progressive Conserveratives over Mulroney, invites the Mulroney family to his cottage because doing business is far more important than the values he pontificates about. The guy Harper thought pandered to Quebec is now his advisor! Right.

Well we all know how deep friendships go with Harper.

Let's put it into perspective. Some of you don't like Dalton McGuinty. His finance minister, Greg Sorbara, was put under an RCMP investigation involving potential corruption on non-government matters. Sorbara quickly stepped aside and resigned as a cabinet minister. But McGuinty stood by his friend - he stood by his friend throught the whole over a year long ordeal, and he did so publicly. And when Sorbara was found completely innocent and that the investigation was wrong to even investigate him, Sorbara was quickly back in cabinet.

Harper?

Harper fucks Mulroney. Now of course, the diffrence is Mulroney's likely guilty - it's becoming evident he accepted payments from this Schreiber fellow and that he knew him quite well. It's becoming crystal clear (in spite of Harper's protestations just a week ago) Mulroney lied in his lawsuit against the Canadian Government - a lawsuit which he settled upon receiving payment of your taxpaying dollars of $2.1 million.

Just like that Mulroney has been disavowed. No longer the advisor, confidante, or friend. Fellow Conservative MP's have been ordered to not speak to Mulroney!

You know, if he hadn't befriended Mulroney in the first place, Mulroney's corruption wouldn't have had any impact. If he had stuck to his purported values, he'd be looking good right now.

Harper has again shown us just how much a values kind of guy he is. He isn't.

Just asking.....

 

[nervous]

Just asking.....

And one more thing...After Mulroney, an investigation of Jean Chrétien (he sends in the army to protect his investments and become a paid 'advisor' to China when he left office after he had been on many trade missions on tax dollars) and Paul Martin (after all, he did manage to 'buy' a major company, when his dad was in a position to provide government contracts....).

Yes "Would the party NOT living in a glass house like to throw the first stone?"

No takers...thought so!

 

[red]

And one more thing...After Mulroney, an investigation of Jean Chrétien (he sends in the army to protect his investments and become a paid 'advisor' to China when he left office after he had been on many trade missions on tax dollars) and Paul Martin (after all, he did manage to 'buy' a major company, when his dad was in a position to provide government contracts....).

Yes "Would the party NOT living in a glass house like to throw the first stone?"

No takers...thought so!

all politicians are fucking lying weasels who care only about themselves. any other thoughts on the matter are delusional.

 

[sailorsix]

Mulroney is the smarmiest of politicians in the last 40 yars IMO.

I remember him making a snotty comment about Verdun Liberal Bryce Macassey(SP??) in the 84 election...about there being no whore like an old whore. Mulroney was a friend of Bryce outside of politics and he later apologized.

And his righteous indignation when Frank magazine ran the "Be the first to deflower Caroline" contest after Mulroney used her as his escort during one of the conventions. Mila was sick or something so he took his tarted up his 16 yr old daughter and EVERYONE wanted to fuck her on the spot. Whatta buffoon! This is the guy who when he first saw Mila in a bikini told a friend he was going to fuck her.


BTW...I have maintained that Mulrooney was always guilty of Airbus bribes. I dont think the Mounties ever officially closed the case on that, notwithstanding Chretiens payment.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

How blessed we are to have a member like TQM. Not only does he offer insight to the inner workings of the Liberal party, but the CPOC as well.

Even though most of your post is speculation, it's entertaining the way you state it like it's fact. You don't know the first thing about the Mulroney / Harper relationship (unless you were also invited to the cottage), so don't pretend you do.

There is new evidence that Mulroney received kickbacks and committed perjury. By allowing further investigation into the affair, Harper is not "fucking Mulroney" (unless he is guilty. In that case he would deserve to get fucked, no?), he's allowing him an opportunity to set the record straight. It's also not unreasonable to expect Harper and his caucus to avoid Mulroney while the investigation continues. A government should make every effort possible to avoid becoming involved in an independent inquiry.

It looks like Harper is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

 

[TQM]

looking, looking, lost.

None of my post is speculation, you moron.

It's public knowledge that Harper left the PC's because he couldn't stand Mulroney. It's public knowledge that he publicized his feelings toward Mulroney repeatedly over an array of issues, amazingly including the NEP (which wasn't Mulroney's baby!)

It's public knowledge that coincidentally, as he realized the need to "unite the right" he suddenly became friends with Mulroney and has gone on to say many, many nice things about him and his time in office.

My point is twofold: He neither stands by his principles (and if he did, he'd never have befriended Mulroney), nor does he stand by his friends.

It's fairly evident Mulroney is guilty of something or other and it's fairly evident the govt. would never have paid Mulroney the 2 million, if the evidence that has emerged was available at the time.

Harper absolutely had to act. But it is/was painful for him, only because he put himself in a position to catch some flak over it.

The fact is, Harper is without a doubt the most manipulative politician in Canadian history. And he goes not by principle, but by instinct. His instinct once told him to shun Mulroney and he did. It then told him to befriend Mulroney, and he did. And now, after a week of refusals, it kicked in again, and Mulroney is the shunned one once more. It's amazing that Mulroney could continue to cast his dark shadow almost 15 years after he was last in office.

 

[train]

How blessed we are to have a member like TQM. Not only does he offer insight to the inner workings of the Liberal party, but the CPOC as well.

Even though most of your post is speculation, it's entertaining the way you state it like it's fact. You don't know the first thing about the Mulroney / Harper relationship (unless you were also invited to the cottage), so don't pretend you do.

There is new evidence that Mulroney received kickbacks and committed perjury. By allowing further investigation into the affair, Harper is not "fucking Mulroney" (unless he is guilty. In that case he would deserve to get fucked, no?), he's allowing him an opportunity to set the record straight. It's also not unreasonable to expect Harper and his caucus to avoid Mulroney while the investigation continues. A government should make every effort possible to avoid becoming involved in an independent inquiry.

It looks like Harper is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

Lol...typical bizarre TQM logic, he gives an example of McSquint allowing an investigation and one of Harper calling one. The Liberal is a hero the Conservative a bum.... lol. His only defense , as usual is to call anyone you can't follow his adolescent logic a moron.

On the surface it would appear that Mulroney has a lot of explaing to do. If he is guilty charge him. The dollars are no different (smaller actually) than the Chretien scam with the FBDB and his friend's hotel. We should investidate that next.

 

[TQM]

trainboy

Chretien never sued the govt.

And I'm criticizing Harper not for calling the inquiry (you moron), but for befriending him and being a pompous but unprincipled person. The fact that this is now a problem for Harper is solely Harper's own doing.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

None of my post is speculation, you moron.

It's public knowledge that Harper left the PC's because he couldn't stand Mulroney. It's public knowledge that he publicized his feelings toward Mulroney repeatedly over an array of issues, amazingly including the NEP (which wasn't Mulroney's baby!)

It's public knowledge that coincidentally, as he realized the need to "unite the right" he suddenly became friends with Mulroney and has gone on to say many, many nice things about him and his time in office.

My point is twofold: He neither stands by his principles (and if he did, he'd never have befriended Mulroney), nor does he stand by his friends.

It's fairly evident Mulroney is guilty of something or other and it's fairly evident the govt. would never have paid Mulroney the 2 million, if the evidence that has emerged was available at the time.

Harper absolutely had to act. But it is/was painful for him, only because he put himself in a position to catch some flak over it.

The fact is, Harper is without a doubt the most manipulative politician in Canadian history. And he goes not by principle, but by instinct. His instinct once told him to shun Mulroney and he did. It then told him to befriend Mulroney, and he did. And now, after a week of refusals, it kicked in again, and Mulroney is the shunned one once more. It's amazing that Mulroney could continue to cast his dark shadow almost 15 years after he was last in office.

You're right, I admit it, I am a moron. Do you know whats worse than a moron? A moron who thinks he's smart.

You're making assumptions about the relationship between Harper and Mulroney based on public record. Since you are the one who stated Harper "is without a doubt the most manipulative politician in Canadian history", making these assumptions is a clear demonstration of poor judgement at best. One might go so far as to say this is the act of a moron.

Welcome to the club, we have jackets.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Lol...typical bizarre TQM logic, he gives an example of McSquint allowing an investigation and one of Harper calling one. The Liberal is a hero the Conservative a bum.... lol. His only defense , as usual is to call anyone you can't follow his adolescent logic a moron.

To quote his hero, "I've been called worse by better".

The more I read TQM's garbage, the more I realize he's just another Liberal wanker wearing partisan blinders. Logic my ass!

 

[train]

To quote his hero, "I've been called worse by better".

The more I read TQM's garbage, the more I realize he's just another Liberal wanker wearing partisan blinders. Logic my ass!

His idea of intelligent debate is infantile name calling which downgrades pretty much everything he says.

 

[TQM]

looking,

please name just one assumption I've made. That should settle this.

Did I assume Harper quit the Tories over Mulroney?
Did I assume he befriended him when it became beneficial to do so?
Tell me exactly what I assumed.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

please name just one assumption I've made. That should settle this.

For one thing, you assume I give a rats ass what you think.

Did I assume Harper quit the Tories over Mulroney?
Did I assume he befriended him when it became beneficial to do so?
Tell me exactly what I assumed.

You are assuming Harper befriended Mulroney based on public statements (by someone you claim to be manipulative) and you are assuming Harper abandoned his friendship (if it ever existed) because of re-opening an investigation in light of new evidence.

Maybe you're right and this is an example of Harper's lack of loyalty to his "friends". If this is the case, I don't have a problem with it. I prefer that my PM has more loyalty to his country than his friends.

I also realize this is a strange concept for a Liberal to embrace.

 

[train]

please name just one assumption I've made. That should settle this.

Did I assume Harper quit the Tories over Mulroney?
Did I assume he befriended him when it became beneficial to do so?
Tell me exactly what I assumed.

Don't see anything wrong with the above assumed or not.

Nor do I see anything wrong with holding an inquiry. Are you saying a Liberal would cover it up if it was about a friend ?


What is your problem ?.....beyond the obvious I mean

 

[TQM]

ummmm....

looking - you taking senility pills?

I've never asked you to care about what I think. I've never assumed that you care about what I think. I'll only point out you respond to me, fairly frequently, so you can rat's ass this and rat's ass that, but your actions speak louder than your words.

Harper befriended Mulroney when he became aware that Mulroney was open to merger talks between the parties. Joe Clark wasn't. I've merely stated this fact. They weren't friends previously. And in fact, Harper expressed his dislike for Mulroney, previously, on countless occasions. He built himself a platform, back then, to do nothing other than criticize Mulroney. Wiki it if you don't believe me! They reconnected when he realized that a split right was doomed forever. Even if the PC's weren't winning seats, they were getting enough vote to keep the Reform/Alliance Party out of govt.

Then they connected, through my good friend Belinda Stronach. Immediately, the Harper anti-Mulroney rhetoric ended and they quickly became friends. No assumptions on my part.

All the anti-Mulroney principles went out the window, when it became politically expedient. A guy he derided continuously for years became a cottage buddy.

Now - the opposition pressed him to hold an inquiry given the new evidence, and he refused, and taunted parliament about it. One week later the taunting has stopped and there's an inquiry, and no one is allowed to talk to Mulroney.

Let's remember that just a couple of days earlier, Harper claimed that such an inquiry was "dangerous". (Oooooooh, scare me baby).

http://www.thestar.com/article/273234

So without any further information, Harper changed his mind. Why? Suddenly the issue was going to impact him.

http://www.thestar.com/article/275337

 

[TQM]

trainchild,

Liberals don't make friends with people they hate.

 

[Mysterio999]

Harper

Harper has turned into is a pretty sharp politico (recovering well from the Belinda fiasco).
My bet is that once the Mulroney thing is done Harper will go after Chretin/Martin and Dion will again be tongue-tied.

 

[TQM]

I'd love to see that mysterio.

That would play well at the polls - Harper going on a vindictive assault on Liberals because Mulroney got his just desserts. Bring it on.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

That would play well at the polls - Harper going on a vindictive assault on Liberals because Mulroney got his just desserts. Bring it on.

LMAO!

On one post you critisize Harper for not being more like McGuinty and standing behind his friends then you talk about Mulroney getting his just desserts.

Which is it TQM? Is Harper wrong or not?