Homeland series finale

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I always enjoyed this show and today was the series finale. I think it was a great ending. Hopefully if Netflix throws enough money down the road they can do a movie.
 

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Watching it tomorrow pls no spoilers

This and Blacklist as well both top quality and on my top 10 all time.

I am glad it’s finishing, cannot take crazy Carrie anymore. Although it’s an amazing series.
 

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As usual I ended up watching nothing last night.

Claire Danes has worked very hard to become a serious actress, she's never been annoying in my eyes. Her's was a case of too much too soon, Baz Luhrman's Romeo and Juliet made a lot of $$$$$$$$$. In the decade that followed De Caprio got the glory while her career went into oblivion. For me the real stars of Guglielmo Lanciagite's play were the clan leaders Paul Sorvino (Capulet) and Brian Dennehy (RIP - Montegue). Dennehy had that brilliant scene in the Blacklist when FBI SI are interrogating him on his step daughter (Megan Boone), attempting to bring charges against her. You could almost hear him say Arnold's famous line from Commando, "I eat FBI for breakfast".

 

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FYI: If, like me, you recorded the Homeland finale on a regular Rogers PVR box (I don't know if Rogers Ignite does the same thing), be aware that the episode is 68 minutes long, and that the Rogers recording will stop at the 60 minute mark, so you will not see the true ending. I downloaded the episode from a torrent file today as I could sense that the Rogers recording was cut short when I watched it late last night, and sure enough there was that extra 8 minutes that more fully complete the series.

Not the first time this has happened. It seems that the Rogers PVR guide is not set up to adjust for minor variations if a show runs a bit longer than it's usual duration.
 

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I just watched the finale it was an even better send off than The Americans.

It's a cautionary tale reflecting recent history. When the USSR collapsed, neither H Bush nor Clinton offered any help to stabilize the Russian economy. Since then Russia has been working to undermine American democracy, that is Putin's mission. Look at the way two characters in the last season where portrayed. FSB Agent Gromov was central to the story while NSA Lieutenant Ryan never achieved any status beyond Saul's lapdog. A generic replacement for Peter Quinn (Rupert Friend). Great show, I could easily handle another season.

Russia's future game plan will depend on whom they resent more: The Americans or the Chinese.
 

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The Americans ending was more aligned to reality. For many spies in the USA in the 1980s and beyond once their covers got blown they either got arrested or fled. The kids were the unlucky ones. Born in USA or Canada but not wanted by either cou try. There was a huge court battle in Canada of two Canadians of Russian spy parents. I think they were told they could keep citizenship.
 

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The Americans ending was more aligned to reality. For many spies in the USA in the 1980s and beyond once their covers got blown they either got arrested or fled. The kids were the unlucky ones. Born in USA or Canada but not wanted by either cou try. There was a huge court battle in Canada of two Canadians of Russian spy parents. I think they were told they could keep citizenship.
I should look that up.

Lieutenant Ryan's role in the finale was shocking to me. Like Quinn he had license to kill...and all he could do was barricade a door.
 

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Excellent finale. Won't give any spoilers just yet.

Nothing is more unsatisfying than watching years of a show and have a dud of an ending. Like Lost or the Sopranos.

This did the trick for me.
 

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Nice show and finale, but some extremely unrealistic (even for the fiction) parts does not allow it to be great. For example, why Anna had to run to the basement and what could 4 Russian operatives do to her in U.S. building on U.S. soil? Just start shooting toward the Russian (or anywhere) and security will be all over. I understand that the authors went for dramatisation, but such unsophisticated plot spoils it.
 

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Nice show and finale, but some extremely unrealistic (even for the fiction) parts does not allow it to be great. For example, why Anna had to run to the basement and what could 4 Russian operatives do to her in U.S. building on U.S. soil? Just start shooting toward the Russian (or anywhere) and security will be all over. I understand that the authors went for dramatisation, but such unsophisticated plot spoils it.
Also, why Russian has released the flight recorder after they got the name of the spy? The fact that they learn the name in no way affects their best strategy of how to use the recorder. Furthermore, since any rational person understands it, there was no incentives to give the name anyway.
 

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Also, why Russian has released the flight recorder after they got the name of the spy? The fact that they learn the name in no way affects their best strategy of how to use the recorder. Furthermore, since any rational person understands it, there was no incentives to give the name anyway.
I think it's called "artistic license"...
 

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I think it's called "artistic license"...
This is why Breaking Bad is the best written series: base on the assumptions they made for the plot, they did not make any obvious writing mistakes. But still Homeland is among the best :).
 

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Also, why Russian has released the flight recorder after they got the name of the spy? The fact that they learn the name in no way affects their best strategy of how to use the recorder. Furthermore, since any rational person understands it, there was no incentives to give the name anyway.
Perhaps, there is honor among spies. You can trick and manipulate assets and opposing agents, but once you give someone your word..........

I really do not know, but I do think that many of these agents/operatives know each other in the real world. Why don't they just try to assassinate each other? Why do Carrie, Saul and Gromov all coexist? There must be some unwritten rules for spycraft.

Anyways, you have to give TV/Film fiction some artistic license.
 

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Perhaps, there is honor among spies. You can trick and manipulate assets and opposing agents, but once you give someone your word..........
Very true, the KGB and CIA often made deals when it mutually suited them, to reneg would be an act of war. The KGB looked the other way when the CIA deposed Allende. In return they got almost unopposed Soviet expansion into Africa. The CIA got it right, controlling Ethiopia, Mozambique and Angola greased the wheels of Soviet collapse. I almost couldn't suspend my disbelief during the barricade scene...these are Russians not North Koreans.

1975 was KGB Chief Yuri Andropov annus mirabilis, but it proved costly in the long run. Putin was following his example in Dresden. Andropov was Russia's man in Budapest in 1956, he eventually became Brezhnev's de facto successor.
 

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Very true, the KGB and CIA often made deals when it mutually suited them, to reneg would be an act of war. The KGB looked the other way when the CIA deposed Allende. In return they got almost unopposed Soviet expansion into Africa. The CIA got it right, controlling Ethiopia, Mozambique and Angola greased the wheels of Soviet collapse. I almost couldn't suspend my disbelief during the barricade scene...these are Russians not North Koreans.

1975 was KGB Chief Yuri Andropov annus mirabilis, but it proved costly in the long run. Putin was following his example in Dresden. Andropov was Russia's man in Budapest in 1956, he eventually became Brezhnev's de facto successor.
Except that the deal was not with CIA, the deal was with Carrie who has defected. Anyway, I can buy it is as something like "reputation concern" argument, but the story with Anna going to the basement instead of public place and not shooting to alert the security: this was a real weak writing. It was such a minor minor detail that did not really effaced the scenario or drama level, but it left a bad taste.
 

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Nice show and finale, but some extremely unrealistic (even for the fiction) parts does not allow it to be great. For example, why Anna had to run to the basement and what could 4 Russian operatives do to her in U.S. building on U.S. soil? Just start shooting toward the Russian (or anywhere) and security will be all over. I understand that the authors went for dramatisation, but such unsophisticated plot spoils it.
Liked the series but yes, that final scene with Anna was written like a teen slasher plot.
 

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Liked the series but yes, that final scene with Anna was written like a teen slasher plot.
100% agree with this statement. Could have easily pulled her out. It got sloppy and what now she is a triple agent and just like that they trust her pls.

Ending was okay but not great.

They should have shot her and Russia backed out of her deal once they received the info. That would have been more realistic.
 

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the series gets kinda boring when Carrie moved to Germany
The Brody years were the best. Quinn was a solid character.

If you want to question believability, it's hard to see how Carrie's manic behavior stemming from bipolar disorder wouldn't have gotten her dismissed from the CIA. She would've been discharged no matter how many times she saved the world.
 
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