Housing Prices Prognosis.

fmahovalich

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I own two...a rental and my own.

There is talk of interest rates climbing....and housing cooling.

But only a LITTLE talk.

Should one sell and buy back in.... in time ?

Would be interested in others opinions on housing in GTA over next 24 months.
 

james t kirk

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I heard on the news today that housing prices are up 9% since this time last year.

Inflation is around 3%

In other words, prices of housing are outpacing inflation, which is not logical. This has been going on too long. My personal opinion is that housing prices are too high and at best, they plateau, at worst - a 10 to 15% haircut in the coming years.
 

toughb

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Bought a house in 2008 and it has increased in value by $150K.

You can't go wrong in real estate. Just hold onto it.

...:)
 

james t kirk

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Bought a house in 2008 and it has increased in value by $150K.

You can't go wrong in real estate. Just hold onto it.

...:)
Adjusted for inflation, the highest real estate values in London England were seen in the time of Napolean. (Seriously).

A house is not an investment.
 

red

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I own two...a rental and my own.

There is talk of interest rates climbing....and housing cooling.

But only a LITTLE talk.

Should one sell and buy back in.... in time ?

Would be interested in others opinions on housing in GTA over next 24 months.
depending on the area, houses in toronto will continue to climb for the next 5 years.
 

TVA

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Yes Canada must be very special. Most of other countries have seen housing correction, USA, Europe, England, Japan etc.. But it will NEVER happen to us, unless WW3 breaks out like lurkerdick says. Canadian government and banks are infallable, more intelligent, and no corruption than any other democracies in the world, and will remain this way forever just so that your house can increase the value forever. Right.
 

amazing age

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Mr. James Kirk is right, ToughB is, unfortunately, wrong. Over the last 100 years housing has returned only a very modest return, in the range of one or two percent. This is because of market corrections, bubbles bursting, real estate taxes that go only one way, ongoing maintenance, etc, all of which has to be deducted as a cost. Not to mention the huge amount of interest you have to pay into a mortgage over the years, money that could have been invested somewhere else. GICs have actually outperformed real estate in almost all areas, and the stock market has been the top performer of them all. Of course I own my own house, but it's mainly a place to live.
 

groggy

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What happened in the states could still happen here.
Or interest rates could start going up.
Or it could stay the same.

Me, I'm trying to keep my overhead and debt low as I expect that there will be no easy global recovery and that we are only in the start of a longish downturn/recession/depression.
 

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The last major house pricing correction in Canada was what 10 years ago? A correction of 10% would seem overdue and just waiting for a bump in interest rates. Its of no real concern for principal residences held for the long term but if you own speculative real estate I would lighten up.
 

FatOne

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Adjusted for inflation, the highest real estate values in London England were seen in the time of Napolean. (Seriously).

A house is not an investment.
Both American stats going back a hundred years and dutch stats going back several hundred years show home prices do vary but grow at the rate of inflation.

Sometimes this variation can go for decades, but there is always a readjustment.


But this time is different, much like it was with tulips, the south seas, Louisiana, radio stocks, gold and silver in the 80's, tech stocks in the 90's etc.

If you want to make money on real estate you should be looking to be a bitch, aka landlord. There are risks there also, but long term capital appreciation isn't the way to go. That however is dependent on being able to buy in at a reasonable price.

In the past 50 years or so home prices have gone up a lot, but if you consider that the average home has more than doubled in size, plus various renos and insulation standards and the currency dropping to about 10% of its value, it really isn't all that impressive. Granted there are pockets where things have done better than average, which means there are pockets that have done worse.

If you really want to make money on capital appreciation, buy into a city which is about to put in huge amounts of barriers to new construction and wait 10 or 20 years. Cough Portland Cough [if memory serves]. Sure it will fuck over poor people and the environment, but you will make lots of money and the city will be seen to be progressive and green which is more important after all.
 

GrandBlasterK

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WTF are you guys talking about? Price your house in gold and everyone is down. I lost almost 40% when priced in gold oz. In 2005 (when I bought), gold was ~US$450/oz (C$585/oz @ $1.30 exchange rate). Now it's US$1600/oz (C$1520/oz). Gold is up 160% in 6 years. I can tell you that my property is not up by 160%. House price gains are paper wealth at best.
 

LateComer

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WTF are you guys talking about? Price your house in gold and everyone is down. I lost almost 40% when priced in gold oz. In 2005 (when I bought), gold was ~US$450/oz (C$585/oz @ $1.30 exchange rate). Now it's US$1600/oz (C$1520/oz). Gold is up 160% in 6 years. I can tell you that my property is not up by 160%. House price gains are paper wealth at best.
Actually it could be argued that real estate wealth is the only true wealth. Everything else is manufactured and not a true necessity. Everybody has to live somewhere. No-one needs gold.
 

Old Milwaukee

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I've never heard so much bull shit in one posting. No one knows for sure if housing prices will go up, or go down in Canada. Please.
 

SirWanker

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The way I see it, a correction will only come once the death rate of the baby boomers accelerate. They are the ones who "own desirable property" in the GTA. Since most of them are selfish and likely childless, their property will be available eventually.
 

TVA

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I've been hearing about a housing crash for the past 3 years, but prices keep going up and up and up. There has to be a correction soon, but once that happens, who knows how long it will take for prices to go back up. The last crash happened in the early 90s and house prices did not get back to those 90's levels until early 00's. If it were me, I'd keep the second home and continue to take rental revenue. If it's making money, does it really matter what the value of the house is? If it's not making money and you're looking to dump a bad business, then you should sell. But even in this situation, it doesn't matter what you think the market will do. You would need to sell right away to stop the bleeding.
Making money from rental property is not easier than making money from any other business or investment. What is the typical rate of return on a condo rental? Do you even get 5%? Many bonds or dividend paying stocks easily beat this rate. Both carry risks so is real estate.
 

GPIDEAL

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Mr. James Kirk is right, ToughB is, unfortunately, wrong. Over the last 100 years housing has returned only a very modest return, in the range of one or two percent. This is because of market corrections, bubbles bursting, real estate taxes that go only one way, ongoing maintenance, etc, all of which has to be deducted as a cost. Not to mention the huge amount of interest you have to pay into a mortgage over the years, money that could have been invested somewhere else. GICs have actually outperformed real estate in almost all areas, and the stock market has been the top performer of them all. Of course I own my own house, but it's mainly a place to live.
Hmmmm, when you add up all the costs and deduct from the current market value less the purchase cost, all adjusted for inflation, it doesn't seem like an investment, however, consider that in Canada, it is the only completely tax-free gain from a sale, and if location brings in a high re-sale value, it does seem worthwhile.

Don't forget equity or wealth accumulation aspects.
 

GrandBlasterK

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Actually it could be argued that real estate wealth is the only true wealth. Everything else is manufactured and not a true necessity. Everybody has to live somewhere. No-one needs gold.
I'd have to agree with you there. Can't remember the last time I bought anything with gold. Your health and lifestyle (i.e., well-being, simple pleasures that bring you happiness and you can afford) is your greatest asset and measure of wealth.
 

GrandBlasterK

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The way I see it, a correction will only come once the death rate of the baby boomers accelerate. They are the ones who "own desirable property" in the GTA. Since most of them are selfish and likely childless, their property will be available eventually.
Indeed, time is the great equalizer.
 
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