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How come vegans look so unhealthy?

JamesDouglas

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Whenever I see a vegan they're always so frail and look malnourished, they just look unhealthy. It's probably because it's very hard for them to get calcium, vitamin D, protein, vitman B12, zinc and iron in their diet.

When I see vegetarians they tend to look healthy, lean, and happy. By eating dairy they're able to get calcium, vitamin D, and protein in their diet, but I follow the paleo diet and believe meat on occasion is healthy. Just one serving of beef a week is enough to give you many nutrients and vitamins that your body needs, and that's really all you need to eat a week. Fish is also extremely healthy, cultures with the highest consumption of fish tend to live the longest.

Are you a vegan, vegetarian, or meat eater? If you're a vegan, do you feel healthy?
 

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The best single piece of advice I've ever read...
Is eat a diet similar to the traditional diet of your ancestors...
That will vary a somewhat depending on race.

There is no traditional society that ate a vegan diet...
It's an artificial, modern construct (with a strong political element)...
And unlikely to be healthy in the long run.
 

danmand

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many vitamins and minerals are only found in meat and dairy products. many vegans depend on suppliments
Science does not say that.

PS: I am no vegan

PPS: And many vegans look good to me.
 

Casa_Nova

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Yup, I happen to know one vegan SP and she sure looks darn healthy to me!
 

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mrsCALoki

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The best single piece of advice I've ever read...
Is eat a diet similar to the traditional diet of your ancestors...
That will vary a somewhat depending on race.

There is no traditional society that ate a vegan diet...
It's an artificial, modern construct (with a strong political element)...
And unlikely to be healthy in the long run.

It can be healthy, but requires a VERY well educated consumer and a VERY careful and complex balancing of supplements.

Most vegans lack the skill set to do that. We evolved as omnivores. I admire their moral stance, but not their skill set

:)
 

canada-man

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Science does not say that.

PS: I am no vegan

PPS: And many vegans look good to me.

When the honeymoon’s over
When people first start the vegan diet, they often feel good, especially if they are used to eating a diet high in processed foods and low in vegetables. This is because the diet can function as a healthful short-term cleanse. But after the honeymoon phase, the vegan diet no longer supplies or grossly undersupplies several essential nutrients. Here is a description of the most important:

Vitamin A is found only in animal products: butter, whole dairy, eggs yolks, meats and fish. Vitamin A is needed for healthy eyes, healthy pregnancy and birth, for the immune system, for the liver, and for the kidneys and lungs. Vitamin A is also a powerful antioxidant that protects our cells from aging. Vegetables that are thought to contain vitamin A, such as carrots and sweet potatoes, actually contain beta-carotene which the body can convert to vitamin A under the right conditions. However, it takes 12-24 molecules of beta-carotene to make one molecule of vitamin A, and this requires adequate dietary fats. Not everyone can make the conversion, either. Infants and young children, diabetics, celiacs, anyone with any kind of thyroid condition, and people on very low-fat diets can’t make the conversion and must obtain vitamin A from animal products.

Vitamin D is found only in animal fat: butter, whole dairy, eggs yolks, meats and fish. The body can make vitamin D (from cholesterol) when exposed to UVB sunlight without sunscreen during “peak hours” of the day in the summer. UVB sunlight is not available during the winter in Minnesota, making year-round vitamin D synthesis impossible. Vitamin D is needed for maintaining bone health, for healthy moods and for cancer prevention. Vitamin D2 is a plant form of vitamin D found in plants such as avocado and sunflower seeds, but it is not as effective and most notably, brain tissues can’t use it.

Cholesterol is an essential nutrient. Our bodies produce around 80% of the cholesterol we needs, the rest must come from our diets. This means that vegans will automatically be at least 20% short at all times because cholesterol is found only in animal products. Cholesterol is needed for maintaining cell membranes, for the digestion of fats, for repairing damaged body tissues and cells, for producing hormones (including steroid, stress and sex hormones), for serotonin production and for higher cognitive functions.

Vitamin B12 is found only in animal products. B12 is needed for the synthesis of all new DNA in cells, for the production of energy and for the formation of myelin, which surrounds the nerves in the body and brain. A vitamin B12 deficiency is very serious and can result in irreversible nervous system and brain damage if left untreated. Early indicators of B12 deficiency include fatigue, weakness and rigid thinking. It was once thought that certain sea vegetables, miso and micro algae, contained B12. While B12 is listed as a nutrient on the labels of some of these products, the “B12” they contain is an analogue; it looks like B12, but our bodies can’t use it. Sadly, the analogue will register as B12 in a blood test, so the test doesn’t provide an accurate reading. Still worse, these analogues inhibit uptake of real B12, making the deficiency more intense.

Zinc, Calcium and Iron are all minerals that can be obtained, but are undersupplied, on a vegan diet. Zinc is an antioxidant and an enzyme activator. It is needed for the production of hormones, for the immune system and for fertility. Our best sources of zinc are red meats and oysters. Iron is necessary for maintaining the body’s supply of red blood cells, for energy and healthy moods and for cognitive function. There are two kinds of iron: heme iron, which comes from animal foods; and non-heme iron, which comes from plants. Non-heme iron isn’t easily absorbed; the body can only use around 15-20% of it. Heme iron is almost 90% absorbable. Our best sources of iron are red meats and dark meat poultry. Calcium is needed for bones and teeth, muscle function (including the heart) and for a healthy nervous system. Our best sources of calcium are dairy products and stocks made from bones.


Making protein
Perhaps the most obvious concern for vegans is obtaining enough protein. Animal foods contain all eight essential amino acids. With all eight, our bodies can make any kind of protein we need. However, if we’re missing even one, our bodies can’t make any protein. All plant foods, including soy, are low in the essential amino acid methionine. This means even if vegans are technically getting “enough” protein by meeting minimal requirements, they might not be able to efficiently use it. It is important to note that meeting minimal needs is not the same as providing optimal nutrition. For example, the U.S. RDA of 60 mg. of vitamin C will prevent scurvy, but it will not keep your immune system functioning at peak levels.

Protein is our basic building block. It keeps our tissues, muscles and bones in good repair, it makes the enzymes that regulate metabolism and digestion, it makes the precursors for hormones and it makes the neurotransmitters that determine our moods. We need to get more than just survival amounts in order to thrive.

http://www.jennette-turner.com/publications.cfm?id=17
 

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boasting that girls like vegans sounds like desperation like the american black women that write articles, make videos telling how to get a white man

and why is that sheltered, rich, white, privileged types only make up the vegan animal rights movements?


White Privilege & Veganism: The Luxury of Being Single-Issue

http://buvegetariansociety.wordpres...ge-veganism-the-luxury-of-being-single-issue/

As a white person with class privilege, I don’t have to worry that veggies are more expensive than meat and cheese

Veganism is a luxury
 

MattRoxx

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The best single piece of advice I've ever read...
Is eat a diet similar to the traditional diet of your ancestors...
This is meaningless 'advice'. Ancestors from 100 years ago? 1000? 10,000?!, and it's practically impossible, ignores recent knowledge on nutrition and health, and does not account for the change (decline) in activity level, or modern agriculture, or livestock practices, etc.

Ever watch the show on TVO called Edwardian Farm? Their whole life, from sunup to sundown (and later) is devoted to farm work - making enough food to survive and a bit extra to sell or trade for the produce they can't grow on their own. That's not a sustainable ancestral diet and not even healthy really, people had to be incredibly lucky to survive into their 60s.


Vegans are unhealthy?! The most unhealthy people are the ones who eat everything. One of the saddest sights I see on a daily basis is a fat, pear-shaped parent in their 30s with teenage kids who have the same middle-aged spread.
These children are condemned to life as spectators: sitting at school, sitting in a car, sitting at home in front of a tv or computer. They will never have the fun of running or hiking or so many other activities because they and their parents are thoughtless omnivores.



Years ago, I started to cut out meat from my diet and found the less of it I ate, the better I felt so eventually I stopped entirely, and am healthier than ever before. Now in my 50s and each summer do some 10K charity runs, half marathons, and a few triathlons.
 

K Douglas

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I wouldn't say all vegans, however I did work with a guy who was vegan and he looked so thin and pale and looked 10 years older than he really was. It may not be for everyone. Certainly not me, I love my steaks and prime rib too much to ever give it up.
 

JamesDouglas

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That's what I've noticed too, vegans tend to age faster and look frail and weak. Vegetarians usually look healthy though, and those who eat a well balanced diet including meat on occasion who exercise and sleep well also look pretty healthy and youthful.

There was a pic circulating that showed a hot 50 year old British chef on the food network, I don't recall her name, in comparison to a pic of a well known vegan who's the same age. The chef who eats everything looks about 35, and the vegan looked about 70.
 

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Is it natural

Worked with a guy who's girl friend was a strict vegan.

Obviously he had to be also,...otherwise no....

He told me his girl friend would regularly pass out at work,...plus he was sick a lot.

As I understand, its VERY difficult to be a true vegan, no fish or fowl included, requires a lot of planning/shopping to get what’s needed.

I personally think its dumb for growing children, can pretty much guarantee they were not vegans when very young.

Anybody know any second generation vegans ?


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Eggs and cheese, no meat, people constantly guessing I am 5 to 10 years younger than I am.

But another trick is really to not overdo it in the sun. Your skin can take a real beating as you get older.
 

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Eating in moderation is the key.

I know I can't go on a vegetarian/vegan diet. I love meat, fish and dairy products in general but I also make sure I get in a good amount of vegetables every day.
 

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Whenever I see a vegan they're always so frail and look malnourished, they just look unhealthy. It's probably because it's very hard for them to get calcium, vitamin D, protein, vitman B12, zinc and iron in their diet.

When I see vegetarians they tend to look healthy, lean, and happy. By eating dairy they're able to get calcium, vitamin D, and protein in their diet, but I follow the paleo diet and believe meat on occasion is healthy. Just one serving of beef a week is enough to give you many nutrients and vitamins that your body needs, and that's really all you need to eat a week. Fish is also extremely healthy, cultures with the highest consumption of fish tend to live the longest.

Are you a vegan, vegetarian, or meat eater? If you're a vegan, do you feel healthy?
being vegan is a good way to lower your testosterone levels
 

Buick Mackane

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The best single piece of advice I've ever read...
Is eat a diet similar to the traditional diet of your ancestors...
Very difficult with all the genetically modified food, preservatives, animals loaded with hormones and fish contaminated with mercury.
 

larry

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i doubt if the way a person looks is a good way to diagnose health. fat people can look "healthy' but we know better. vegans and other organic type people just don't square up with our concept of beauty. they don't use makeup. they wash their hair with special products. they even dress more down-to-earth. if i ever want to see slim, plain women, i go to an organic supermarket. also, in our society we are used to the higher body-fat look. very few women outside of the olympics have low body-fat (ok. i'm exaggerating). most are high 20s. so a vegan comes along who's perhaps around 19-20%, and we wonder if she's sick. she's not.
 
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