George jr. just came on to give his State of the Union . I listened to 5 minutes and had to puke, and he hasn't even got to foreign policy. If he closes his speech with DA BEARS will win the super bowl next year I"ll SHIT GOLD BRICKS
i JUST PUKED
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George W is a GOD! (notice the use of all capitals since he is truly more omnipotent than just the pain old regular God)
He will cut taxes, eliminate frivolous medical law suits, rid Africa of AIDS, increase health care standards, crush dictators, educate every child in America, rally the stock market, stem the supply of illegal drugs, give everyone a job, provide subscription drugs to seniors, kill terrorists, spread freedom and democracy, dry out junkies, give every disadvantaged junior high school kid their own personal role model, shield the U.S. from missiles, and give Israelis and Palestinians each a homeland.
Now if he could only convince the 5th dentist to recommend Trident!
Bring back Bill Clinton. At least he recognized the true power of the Presidency....to get hummers from interns in the oral, um... I mean oval office!!!
He will cut taxes, eliminate frivolous medical law suits, rid Africa of AIDS, increase health care standards, crush dictators, educate every child in America, rally the stock market, stem the supply of illegal drugs, give everyone a job, provide subscription drugs to seniors, kill terrorists, spread freedom and democracy, dry out junkies, give every disadvantaged junior high school kid their own personal role model, shield the U.S. from missiles, and give Israelis and Palestinians each a homeland.
Now if he could only convince the 5th dentist to recommend Trident!
Bring back Bill Clinton. At least he recognized the true power of the Presidency....to get hummers from interns in the oral, um... I mean oval office!!!
WOW.........
If Dubya delivers all that he said then he is a GOD. That was some laundry list of promises. Either he is a God, or he`s hitting the booze & nose candy again.
If Dubya delivers all that he said then he is a GOD. That was some laundry list of promises. Either he is a God, or he`s hitting the booze & nose candy again.
Other than bomb a desert country, what has Dubya accomplished?
If oil is not involved the people pulling his strings are not interested.
If oil is not involved the people pulling his strings are not interested.
Of course Jean did not dismantle the GST or the Free Trade agreement; they are just too damn good for the economy. He may be arrogant, condescending and corrupt, but he is not stupid. He used the negative feeling surrounding Mulroney to his advantage, lied to all of us and we keep putting him and his government into power. Exactly, who are the idiots in this country?
With respect to Bush and America. If oil was really the issue then the Americans, especially after the Persian Gulf war, would have seized control of the wells in Kuwait and Iraq, among other places. Fact is, if there is a war the price of oil will skyrocket, OPEC will be pissed and Bush will have gone a long way to disenfranchising many countries. It is not in his best interests, politically speaking, to get into a war. Whatever happens, it is not about oil. Rather, it is about there being a direct threat to the well being of the United States. Historically, the United States has been isolationist in foreign policy, especially regarding war ( for which they have been negatively judged ). Cases in point, the Korean Police Action and the Second World War. It was only after countries such as Japan and Germany either directly attacked or declared war on the Americans that the United States waged war. It is my view that Osama bin Laden did the world a favour. He directly attacked the Americans and made the the fight against terrorism America's War. The rest of the world, just like after the Second World War, will thank the Americans after the dust settles.
With respect to Bush and America. If oil was really the issue then the Americans, especially after the Persian Gulf war, would have seized control of the wells in Kuwait and Iraq, among other places. Fact is, if there is a war the price of oil will skyrocket, OPEC will be pissed and Bush will have gone a long way to disenfranchising many countries. It is not in his best interests, politically speaking, to get into a war. Whatever happens, it is not about oil. Rather, it is about there being a direct threat to the well being of the United States. Historically, the United States has been isolationist in foreign policy, especially regarding war ( for which they have been negatively judged ). Cases in point, the Korean Police Action and the Second World War. It was only after countries such as Japan and Germany either directly attacked or declared war on the Americans that the United States waged war. It is my view that Osama bin Laden did the world a favour. He directly attacked the Americans and made the the fight against terrorism America's War. The rest of the world, just like after the Second World War, will thank the Americans after the dust settles.
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Got that right
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While I don't follow Canadian Politics (the Liberals win all the elections correct?) the second PP is right on.Timberwolf said:Of course Jean did not dismantle the GST or the Free Trade agreement; they are just too damn good for the economy. He may be arrogant, condescending and corrupt, but he is not stupid. He used the negative feeling surrounding Mulroney to his advantage, lied to all of us and we keep putting him and his government into power. Exactly, who are the idiots in this country?
With respect to Bush and America. If oil was really the issue then the Americans, especially after the Persian Gulf war, would have seized control of the wells in Kuwait and Iraq, among other places. Fact is, if there is a war the price of oil will skyrocket, OPEC will be pissed and Bush will have gone a long way to gisenfranchising many countries. It is not in his best interests, politically speaking, to get into a war. Whatever happens, it is not about oil. Rather, it is about there being a direct threat to the well being of the United States. Historically, the United States has been isolationist in foreign policy, especially regarding war ( for which they have been negatively judged ). Cases in point, the korean Police Action and the Second World War. It was only after countries such as Japan and Germany either directly attacked or declared war on the Americans that the United States waged war. It is my view that Osama bin Laden did the world a favour. He directly attacked the Americans and made the the fight against terrorism America's War. The rest of the world, just like after the Second World War, will thank the Americans after the dust settles.
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The Americans are thinking long term oil supply. They wanted a pipeline through Aphganistan to get Caspian Sea oil but the Russians outsmarted them, and secured the north as an ally.
With respect to Bush and America. If oil was really the issue then the Americans, especially after the Persian Gulf war, would have seized control of the wells in Kuwait and Iraq, among other places. Fact is, if there is a war the price of oil will skyrocket, OPEC will be pissed and Bush will have gone a long way to gisenfranchising many countries. It is not in his best interests, politically speaking, to get into a war.
Currently, they depend on Saudi Arabia. Daddy Bush couldn't risk upsetting the Arab world by grabbing the oil in either Iraq or Kuwait.
It is different this time. They are trying to get Turkey involved so Turkey will look like they are annexing the territory of the Kerds (and all the oil fields there) so the Americans secure their supply.
You are right that it is not in his best interests to get into a war, but........well.......he *is* a moron.
Iraq is no threat to the US. They have no way of getting anything to the US. They would be hard pressed to get anything to Israel.
Whatever happens, it is not about oil. Rather, it is about there being a direct threat to the well being of the United States.
They are pretty much in isolation here, too. Only Great Britain supports the US, and why is a mystery. France, Germany, Canada and others have spoken out against the US.
Historically, the United States has been isolationist in foreign policy, especially regarding war ( for which they have been negatively judged ).
The rest of the world has been dealing with terrorism a long time. The solution is to address the motivation.
He directly attacked the Americans and made the the fight against terrorism America's War. The rest of the world, just like after the Second World War, will thank the Americans after the dust settles.
The Americans are in the process of destroying their ecomony and creating another terrible period of inflation due to the huge deficits they are running. The economics are the same as with the Vietnam war.
Sell stocks and bonds. Invest in real estate. Lock in your mortgage.
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hmmm theres this bell central office on eglington east, I think I'll look into buying it, I figure everyone needs a hardened bunker.
grins
geopolitics are SOOOOO BOOOORRRRRINNNGGGGGGG
a bunker with a swimming pool on the roof sounds like fun actually.
grins
geopolitics are SOOOOO BOOOORRRRRINNNGGGGGGG
a bunker with a swimming pool on the roof sounds like fun actually.
I think not!
Iraq is a threat to the entire world.
Isolation? How about Australia, Italy, Spain.... The "Old Europe" "Axis of Annoyance" will fall in line when the time comes of for no other reason that to continue to hide their irrelevance in the world.
America destroying their economy? It's a flat recession with a big tech hangover, nothing more. Are you old enough to understand the business cycle? Vietnam lasted more than a decade, the shooting in Iraq will be over in less than a month.
You must follow the buy high, sell low strategy. The last shoe to drop in the US is real-estate. but you should lock in your mortgage, so I guess your post wasn't a total waist.
OTB
The oil and Turkey points all miss the target, the world is not so simple that one dimensional strategies work.Paul Waters said:
The Americans are thinking long term oil supply. They wanted a pipeline through Aphganistan to get Caspian Sea oil but the Russians outsmarted them, and secured the north as an ally.
Currently, they depend on Saudi Arabia. Daddy Bush couldn't risk upsetting the Arab world by grabbing the oil in either Iraq or Kuwait.
It is different this time. They are trying to get Turkey involved so Turkey will look like they are annexing the territory of the Kerds (and all the oil fields there) so the Americans secure their supply.
You are right that it is not in his best interests to get into a war, but........well.......he *is* a moron.
Iraq is no threat to the US. They have no way of getting anything to the US. They would be hard pressed to get anything to Israel.
They are pretty much in isolation here, too. Only Great Britain supports the US, and why is a mystery. France, Germany, Canada and others have spoken out against the US.
The rest of the world has been dealing with terrorism a long time. The solution is to address the motivation.
The Americans are in the process of destroying their ecomony and creating another terrible period of inflation due to the huge deficits they are running. The economics are the same as with the Vietnam war.
Sell stocks and bonds. Invest in real estate. Lock in your mortgage.
Iraq is a threat to the entire world.
Isolation? How about Australia, Italy, Spain.... The "Old Europe" "Axis of Annoyance" will fall in line when the time comes of for no other reason that to continue to hide their irrelevance in the world.
America destroying their economy? It's a flat recession with a big tech hangover, nothing more. Are you old enough to understand the business cycle? Vietnam lasted more than a decade, the shooting in Iraq will be over in less than a month.
You must follow the buy high, sell low strategy. The last shoe to drop in the US is real-estate. but you should lock in your mortgage, so I guess your post wasn't a total waist.
OTB
Re: I think not!
Don't count on it... should make for interesting CNN visuals tho...onthebottom said:
Vietnam lasted more than a decade, the shooting in Iraq will be over in less than a month.
one valid point
Bush did have one valid point we should address the issue before we have another 9-11 experence. Many times in the past the US had chances to take out Bin laden and because of our no hit policies this idiot got the best of us. The Cole, Us property abroad. I personaly think a hit squad should have been deployed long time ago to take him out. It's funny what money will make people do a big bounty might do. Thats why I think Bin laden is dead 54 millon would have brought him to the surface. My 2 cents
Bush did have one valid point we should address the issue before we have another 9-11 experence. Many times in the past the US had chances to take out Bin laden and because of our no hit policies this idiot got the best of us. The Cole, Us property abroad. I personaly think a hit squad should have been deployed long time ago to take him out. It's funny what money will make people do a big bounty might do. Thats why I think Bin laden is dead 54 millon would have brought him to the surface. My 2 cents
To Onthebottom
I think the value, if any, in the post by Mr. Waters is that it demonstrates the horrible anti-American feelings in this country and elsewhere. Notice I did not say anti-American thinking for if people thought things through, anti-American ideology would not exist. While it is true that in the end it is important to understand the motivation of hatred and address that, what does the world do in the meantime? Unfortunately, it is still necessary to have the guts and determination to deal with bullies, whether on an international scale or domestic and personal.
Saying Iraq is not a direct threat to the U.S. and the world is like the naysayers of the time arguing that Hitler was not a threat to Europe. Who was it that said, "peace in our time" just before Sept. 1939? Enough said.
The U.S. provides more intelligence, opportunities, and aid, financial and otherwise, to Nations around the world than all the other industrialized countries combined. It has a history of being instrumental in increasing the quality of life for people around the globe, including Canadians. The Americans are not responsible for the toxic ideology which has infected other peoples' belief systems. To argue that they are and suggest that America "deserves what they get" or to try and rationalize the evil behaviour of others makes me sick to my stomach. It's bogus, nonsensical and irresponsible. The problem in the world is not the United States of America, it is the evil in the hearts of Man.
I lived and worked in the U.S. for many years and have many friends there. I like to think I know and understand how Americans think and feel. Even though I am not a U.S. citizen, I "feel" like one. You guys get a bum rap. I, for one, thank you every day.
I think the value, if any, in the post by Mr. Waters is that it demonstrates the horrible anti-American feelings in this country and elsewhere. Notice I did not say anti-American thinking for if people thought things through, anti-American ideology would not exist. While it is true that in the end it is important to understand the motivation of hatred and address that, what does the world do in the meantime? Unfortunately, it is still necessary to have the guts and determination to deal with bullies, whether on an international scale or domestic and personal.
Saying Iraq is not a direct threat to the U.S. and the world is like the naysayers of the time arguing that Hitler was not a threat to Europe. Who was it that said, "peace in our time" just before Sept. 1939? Enough said.
The U.S. provides more intelligence, opportunities, and aid, financial and otherwise, to Nations around the world than all the other industrialized countries combined. It has a history of being instrumental in increasing the quality of life for people around the globe, including Canadians. The Americans are not responsible for the toxic ideology which has infected other peoples' belief systems. To argue that they are and suggest that America "deserves what they get" or to try and rationalize the evil behaviour of others makes me sick to my stomach. It's bogus, nonsensical and irresponsible. The problem in the world is not the United States of America, it is the evil in the hearts of Man.
I lived and worked in the U.S. for many years and have many friends there. I like to think I know and understand how Americans think and feel. Even though I am not a U.S. citizen, I "feel" like one. You guys get a bum rap. I, for one, thank you every day.
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About the point that Iraq cannot deliver anything to Isreal. Was it not in the Persian Gulf War that Iraq lobbed a couple dozen scud missiles into Isreal? Think for a moment if those missles had nuclear or chemical warheads.
Come to think of it, Isreal gets chewed up a lot for defending herself as well. What is that all about, other than antisemetic feelings? Among other times, the world was angry at Isreal in 1982 when it attacked Iraq and destroyed its nuclear facilities. The Iraqis were just too damn close to being able to deliver nuclear warheads into the heart of Isreal. The world owes Isreal much thanks for that action. It is bad over there but at least nuclear warheads are not flying around.
Come to think of it, Isreal gets chewed up a lot for defending herself as well. What is that all about, other than antisemetic feelings? Among other times, the world was angry at Isreal in 1982 when it attacked Iraq and destroyed its nuclear facilities. The Iraqis were just too damn close to being able to deliver nuclear warheads into the heart of Isreal. The world owes Isreal much thanks for that action. It is bad over there but at least nuclear warheads are not flying around.
Re: To Onthebottom
Renews my faith in how America is viewed overseas. I lived for a number of years in Australia (what a great country) and found that they truly loved Americans. In my travels in SE Asia I sensed more tension but still a measure of respect. I now work for a Canadian company and have a great relationship with my coworkers North of the border.
I think there are a number of things that cause anti-Americanism. Our culture is everywhere, from tennis shoes to McDonalds and this pisses some people off (think French). We are a very rich country with a very broad spectrum of wealthy and poor, this confuses more socialist countries like "Old Europe". We have pretty much all the military power in the world, no other country could survive the night in a real shootout with the US, and this worries people.
I couldn't agree more with your post, you've said it better than I could.
WWII and Vietnam have taught the US two very important lessons. Ignoring a problem doesn't solve it and if your going to play make sure you win big time or don't play at all. This was well demonstrated in 91 and will be again in March of this year.
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Wow,Timberwolf said:I think the value, if any, in the post by Mr. Waters is that it demonstrates the horrible anti-American feelings in this country and elsewhere. Notice I did not say anti-American thinking for if people thought things through, anti-American ideology would not exist. While it is true that in the end it is important to understand the motivation of hatred and address that, what does the world do in the meantime? Unfortunately, it is still necessary to have the guts and determination to deal with bullies, whether on an international scale or domestic and personal.
Saying Iraq is not a direct threat to the U.S. and the world is like the naysayers of the time arguing that Hitler was not a threat to Europe. Who was it that said, "peace in our time" just before Sept. 1939? Enough said.
The U.S. provides more intelligence, opportunities, and aid, financial and otherwise, to Nations around the world than all the other industrialized countries combined. It has a history of being instrumental in increasing the quality of life for people around the globe, including Canadians. The Americans are not responsible for the toxic ideology which has infected other peoples' belief systems. To argue that they are and suggest that America "deserves what they get" or to try and rationalize the evil behaviour of others makes me sick to my stomach. It's bogus, nonsensical and irresponsible. The problem in the world is not the United States of America, it is the evil in the hearts of Man.
I lived and worked in the U.S. for many years and have many friends there. I like to think I know and understand how Americans think and feel. Even though I am not a U.S. citizen, I "feel" like one. You guys get a bum rap. I, for one, thank you every day.
Renews my faith in how America is viewed overseas. I lived for a number of years in Australia (what a great country) and found that they truly loved Americans. In my travels in SE Asia I sensed more tension but still a measure of respect. I now work for a Canadian company and have a great relationship with my coworkers North of the border.
I think there are a number of things that cause anti-Americanism. Our culture is everywhere, from tennis shoes to McDonalds and this pisses some people off (think French). We are a very rich country with a very broad spectrum of wealthy and poor, this confuses more socialist countries like "Old Europe". We have pretty much all the military power in the world, no other country could survive the night in a real shootout with the US, and this worries people.
I couldn't agree more with your post, you've said it better than I could.
WWII and Vietnam have taught the US two very important lessons. Ignoring a problem doesn't solve it and if your going to play make sure you win big time or don't play at all. This was well demonstrated in 91 and will be again in March of this year.
OTB
Iraq is a threat
US intelligence believes that Iraq is within 2-3 years of being able to build a nuclear device. They probably couldn't deliver it with a missile because it would be too big for their missiles. They could however put it on an oil tanker and float it wherever they like. They have deployed chemical weapons with missiles before (Iran) so this is defiantly a threat to Israel.
I have mixed feelings about how Israel is treated. I think the US is too pro Israel and is generally ignoring the people that have been living in camps for 60 years or in a police state on the West Bank. This could be it's own thread but I think what needs to happen is that the West Bank and Gaza should be "Palestine" and Israel should pay reparations for the land they stole from Arabs in 1948 and since then. What happens to Israel in 2012 when there are more Arabs in Israel than Jews? That should be interesting.
OTB
Good point.Timberwolf said:About the point that Iraq cannot deliver anything to Isreal. Was it not in the Persian Gulf War that Iraq lobbed a couple dozen scud missiles into Isreal? Think for a moment if those missles had nuclear or chemical warheads.
Come to think of it, Isreal gets chewed up a lot for defending herself as well. What is that all about, other than antisemetic feelings? Among other times, the world was angry at Isreal in 1982 when it attacked Iraq and destroyed its nuclear facilities. The Iraqis were just too damn close to being able to deliver nuclear warheads into the heart of Isreal. The world owes Isreal much thanks for that action. It is bad over there but at least nuclear warheads are not flying around.
US intelligence believes that Iraq is within 2-3 years of being able to build a nuclear device. They probably couldn't deliver it with a missile because it would be too big for their missiles. They could however put it on an oil tanker and float it wherever they like. They have deployed chemical weapons with missiles before (Iran) so this is defiantly a threat to Israel.
I have mixed feelings about how Israel is treated. I think the US is too pro Israel and is generally ignoring the people that have been living in camps for 60 years or in a police state on the West Bank. This could be it's own thread but I think what needs to happen is that the West Bank and Gaza should be "Palestine" and Israel should pay reparations for the land they stole from Arabs in 1948 and since then. What happens to Israel in 2012 when there are more Arabs in Israel than Jews? That should be interesting.
OTB
Onthebottom
Some good points! I just wish the meme, "Let's be jealous of America" would change to, "Why not learn from the Americans and take advantage of their generosity"!
You are right, the comments you made regarding Isreal and the Middle East should be in a different thread. Perhaps I'll start it. It will probably be explosive as, you guessed it, I am prepared to defend Isreal. For the record, I have studied Middle Eastern history for a long time now and have to disagree with your comments. But that is another debate. Thanks for the posts.
Some good points! I just wish the meme, "Let's be jealous of America" would change to, "Why not learn from the Americans and take advantage of their generosity"!
You are right, the comments you made regarding Isreal and the Middle East should be in a different thread. Perhaps I'll start it. It will probably be explosive as, you guessed it, I am prepared to defend Isreal. For the record, I have studied Middle Eastern history for a long time now and have to disagree with your comments. But that is another debate. Thanks for the posts.
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Jay_toronto
Get on with it!
War is unavoidable.
And if the Arabs give up on Iraq in less than a month then the world will lose all respect for them. And, as a demonstration of their inferiority in the world Iraq should become an Israeli settlement.
The only Arab country that has shown any military gumption has been Egypt. They paid a heavy price, sustaining over 70 % of the casualties in every war against Israel since 1948. They threw everything they had into The Sanai during the Yom Kippur War, but were once again betrayed by their allies. Syria, who disbelieved the success at picking off Israeli warplanes, turned their tails and fled. Is it any wonder that Egypt sued for peace as soon as they were able!
If they are attacked in Iraq I expect the Arabs to show some resolve and stop hiding behind cowardly terrorist acts. It's time to stand up against aggression or run away and hide. If they retreat once more then what T.H Lawrence said, all those years ago, will be proven true:
"Unless the Arabs unite, you will always be a weak people, a silly people"
War is unavoidable.
And if the Arabs give up on Iraq in less than a month then the world will lose all respect for them. And, as a demonstration of their inferiority in the world Iraq should become an Israeli settlement.
The only Arab country that has shown any military gumption has been Egypt. They paid a heavy price, sustaining over 70 % of the casualties in every war against Israel since 1948. They threw everything they had into The Sanai during the Yom Kippur War, but were once again betrayed by their allies. Syria, who disbelieved the success at picking off Israeli warplanes, turned their tails and fled. Is it any wonder that Egypt sued for peace as soon as they were able!
If they are attacked in Iraq I expect the Arabs to show some resolve and stop hiding behind cowardly terrorist acts. It's time to stand up against aggression or run away and hide. If they retreat once more then what T.H Lawrence said, all those years ago, will be proven true:
"Unless the Arabs unite, you will always be a weak people, a silly people"
