I negotiated with my MD

[Big Rig]

I negotiated the price of hair transplants to half of what the MD wanted

Those buggers have a monopoly on simple cosmetic surgery they learn in weekend seminars then gouge like crazy so they can profit a million per year then immune themselves from lawsuit as they stick together like glue in the courts defending each other


I say fuck 'em

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Be careful. If two words never belonged in the same sentence more, those words would be "bargain" and "surgery".

 

[james t kirk]

Be careful. If two words never belonged in the same sentence more, those words would be "bargain" and "surgery".

LOL, yeah that's the truth.

It's verbotin to negotiate with hookers, but ok to negotiate with your MD who spent 10 years in University eating KD.

Our society is truly fucked up.

 

[Hangman]

I'm sure he'll do a fully professional job and spare no expense.

I wonder what discount anasthetic feels like?

So, you think that doctors shouldn't have a monopoly on surgery? Who else should be licensed to do it?

 

[phail]

Be careful. If two words never belonged in the same sentence more, those words would be "bargain" and "surgery".

there is definitely truth to that!!

 

[Big Rig]

I say you are brainwashed !


Look, this elective surgery is straightforward stuff and they learn it in weekend seminars !


To do transplants, for example, one should be qualified but you do not need to go to university for ten years for that ?? It takes a weekend to learn !

The nuses did all the work! He just poped in twice to look then left !


This is bullshit


I subsidized their university education so they can do a practice that needs almost none of what they learned, so the only use of this education is to give them a licensed monopoly so they can gouge ?

Open this trade up to anyone who is qualified and the prices will drop by well over half !

As far as quality of work a lot of MD's fuck it up anyways because it is they who are not qualified ! There is artistry involved in this work and they have zero qualifications in that area !!!!!!!!


My MD made me sign a form that I would not sue for damages !

 

[Hangman]

The weekend seminar isn't a standalone thing. There's a bit of a prerequisite; namely a medical degree. They kind of have to know what they're doing, especially if something goes wrong during the surgery.

Doesn't sound like you have much faith in doctors. Why are you getting elective surgery if they're so unqualified?

Did you make sure to tell your doctor all of this when you were negotiating?

Edit - wait...transplants? Kidneys, hearts, etc? I'm pretty sure that's the hardest surgery there is.

 

[Doctor Zoidburg]

Bastardo! So it was you that bargained me down to nothing. I am going to fix you!

 

[Big Rig]

The weekend seminar isn't a standalone thing. There's a bit of a prerequisite; namely a medical degree. They kind of have to know what they're doing, especially if something goes wrong during the surgery.

Doesn't sound like you have much faith in doctors. Why are you getting elective surgery if they're so unqualified?].

They have a monopoly and I was careful to check for references but do not go to the Ontario Medical Board for it as they are not allowed to tell you if the MD is being sued for fucking up

Edit - wait...transplants? Kidneys, hearts, etc? I'm pretty sure that's the hardest surgery there is.

Of course there is more to learn

But you do not need a MD degree

Six months of training tops

This was not brain or heart surgery

 

[phail]

there is no such thing as minor surgery

 

[Medman52]

Look, this elective surgery is straightforward stuff and they learn it in weekend seminars !


To do transplants, for example, one should be qualified but you do not need to go to university for ten years for that ?? It takes a weekend to learn !

are you for real?

 

[Big Rig]

are you for real?

Yes.

With your handle it appears you are in the field so educate me

I know what I say is paradigm breaking but if your argument is sound I will retract what I have stated


Of course everything you need to know from a medical standpoint is not available in one weekend, and the skills take longer than one seminar to become proficient ( I was making a point that the skills are not that hard to learn), but you do not need ten years in University and a MD degree !


No way

Such procedures should not be restricted to the purview of an MD and their monopoly should be broken

Training programs should be established to qualify those other than an MD

 

[Hangman]

I'm Not One Of Those Fancy College-Educated Doctors

Well, this guy agrees with you!

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/49604

 

[Hangman]

"Hi Everybody!"

"Hi Doctor Nick!"

I'll do any surgery for only $129.95!!

 

[Big Rig]

I'll do any surgery for only $129.95!!

Well, as to be expected, the parodies are coming fast and furious but I stand my ground and await intelligent responses

I repeat :

Of course everything you need to know for transplants from a medical standpoint is not available in one weekend, and the skills take longer than one seminar to become proficient ( I was making a point that the skills are not that hard to learn), but you do not need ten years in University and a MD degree !

No way

Such procedures should not be restricted to the purview of an MD and their monopoly should be broken

Training programs should be established to qualify those other than an MD

 

[Moraff]

You need the other training so that you can deal with whatever that comes up during the surgery that wasn't covered in that weekend seminar.


Kinda like going to a midwife instead of the hospital to give birth. 99% of the time there's no problem the midwife can't handle... the other 1% of the time if you're not in a doctor's hands you're dead.

I'm not saying the true numbers are 99 and 1, just chose them at random. But I do know that if my friend had decided to go the midwife route she would have died because of the complications.

 

[phail]

Md's don't spend 10 years learning a procedure or two. Rather it takes that long see understand and learn how to deal with the infinite number of complications which can occur during ANY procedure. So you'll be happy
with your result if dr nik does it, that is until you have a complication, and he can't fix his fuck up because they didn't cover that in the weekend course.
NEVER consider your procedure minor.

 

[Big Rig]

You need the other training so that you can deal with whatever that comes up during the surgery that wasn't covered in that weekend seminar.


Kinda like going to a midwife instead of the hospital to give birth. 99% of the time there's no problem the midwife can't handle... the other 1% of the time if you're not in a doctor's hands you're dead.

I'm not saying the true numbers are 99 and 1, just chose them at random. But I do know that if my friend had decided to go the midwife route she would have died because of the complications.

Thx for a response that is not parodical

Now there is a good analogy

Midwifes are a good example of someone other than a doctor doing medical work

Refer to my above post as I agree that you would have to be qualified in many areas but the monopoly should be broken in areas where an MD degree is not required

Transplants, for the example I am have been personally involved in, can cost well over 20 K and the common man can not afford them

This is wrong and needless

Such procedures could be done by those fully qualified without a MD and I see no reason it could not be monitored by a board to ensure proper medical procedure and the actual quality of the end product would rise as more artistic individuals become involved as quality cosmetic surgery is an art form

 

[Never Compromised]

The surgery might be uncomplicated, but the risk of infection etc etc is just as deadly once the knife cuts the skin.

Lets hope the good doctor did not use the discount soap from Wal-Mart to sterilize his hand with, rather than the expensive stuff that kills the germs on his skin. Lets hope he used sterile equipment, and did not try to save some money by just using his dishwasher at home.

 

[Big Rig]

The surgery might be uncomplicated, but the risk of infection etc etc is just as deadly once the knife cuts the skin.

Lets hope the good doctor did not use the discount soap from Wal-Mart to sterilize his hand with, rather than the expensive stuff that kills the germs on his skin. Lets hope he used sterile equipment, and did not try to save some money by just using his dishwasher at home.

Well, at over a million per year in profit I think he can afford the better dish soap

Hate to repeat myself but there are lots of skills involved infection being only one

Medical skills can be learned by those by other than a MD (IE midwives) and the monopoly should be broken so the common man can enjoy the procedure

Oh yeah, one more thing that pissed me off, I opted for elective surgery and not once did the MD try to talk me out of it !