Insane Spetsnaz live fire drills
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Pretty stupid actually. They're investing millions of dollars to train these guys and then wasting significant amounts of that on people injured or killed during training. Sure there's a benefit of people knowing exactly what it's like to be shot at but not at the expense of killing your own soldiers during training.
Typical Russian disregard for human life.
Typical Russian disregard for human life.
That is always an aspect of realistic training. The fact is, in a hostage situation they may need to take a very marginal shot. Military training especially for commandos is dangerous and grueling. SEALS, Special forces, SAS etc etc..all incredibly brutal training and death and injuries are not uncommon
The British SAS trains with live weapons. They figure that with live weapons you better make sure you don't kill your buddies.
IMHO they are not tough guys, they are stupid guys. The Russian mentality is that they are better than anyone else, In reality they are not the best trained and not the best equipped. After 10-15 years service with low pay most of these guys become mercenaries or Russian mafia.
FYI - Rubber bullets are close range and usually shot from a shot gun and not pistols or assault rifles. Generally used for crowd control and not for training purposes.
FYI - Rubber bullets are close range and usually shot from a shot gun and not pistols or assault rifles. Generally used for crowd control and not for training purposes.
If you think that you are better than everybody else is, you're at least half way there. There is a psychological element to winning. If you don't think you're good enough, then you cannot and are not going to win.
In some armed forces, there is a recognized 10% attrition rate in regular training due to injuries. For special ops like spetsnaz, it's probably much higher. In the SAS reserve, it is not uncommon for some members, or aspiring members, to die of heat exhaustion.
It may not seem wise shooting at a target while someone is holding it. But it builds confidence. At least, those who are not confident enough are weeded out. You also build trust among your peers.
'Who Dares, Wins"
Err, wouldn't they be medevacked out?
Dying from friendly fire in a live fire drill is one thing. Dying of a physical condition like heat exhaustion??!!??!! Uh-uh.
If there's a helicopter at the ready, which is not always the case.
Anyway, they also beat themselves senseless sometimes.
Dying from exhaustion is preventable. Just don't push them that hard. But that's what they do. But they are convinced that they are the best... so they expect to win.
There was such a reported occurrence a few years ago of 5 dying the same day. It became public because it was leaked to the papers, and the British Army publicly promised to investigate. In reality, insiders told me, it happens all the time but they keep it quiet. In any case, any special ops training is a lot riskier.
Article says two died because they waited too long to bring in medevac.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/14/sas-fatalities-treated-as-matter-of-fact
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/14/sas-fatalities-treated-as-matter-of-fact
More SEAL's have died in training last 3 years then in combat:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...d-training-than-combat-records-show/84347974/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...d-training-than-combat-records-show/84347974/
What's surprising in the video is the close proximity of what looks like civilian observers - and they're not behind any sort of barricade. Of course the shooters would have strict orders about field of fire, and it's obvious they're using some form of live ammunition for some of the close up shot drills. But for some of the other drills - might not be what it seems. I think pretty much every elite force uses live ammunition drills - just not necessarily shooting each other right into a ballistic vest!
I do not believe this to be true. If you get a squad of Gung Ho guys and they step into the line of fire and several immediately get gunned down the rest will retreat. In a man down situation valuable resources are used to retrieve the wounded ( or even the dead ) and later they must be tended to and transported. Land mines are a psychological deterrent to having opposing forces follow or pursue. Land mines are designed not to kill but to blow the legs off soldiers to terrify the rest of the enemy combatants and to use up their resources.
The video was cobbled together from clips of two events. First the Spetsnaz put on a live fire show in front of a live audience but they used less capable weapons than they usually carry. Then they re-enacted the scene without an audience. When the man wearing body amour was shot, he was shot with a .22 cal. pistol. There is a scene where the Spetsnaz were standing behind cinder blocks and were fired on with with 7.62 ammo, these rounds shattered the cinder blocks @1.47. I believe this scene was re-enacted without the audience. They were standing away from the edge of the cinder blocks as they were shot. In another scene @2.20 the terrorist disappears and they shoot a manikin to death through cinder blocks with their AK-12s. At 2.46 there is a cut in the video where a flashbang is used but the the video cuts to a smoke grenade probably used during the live demonstration. At 2.50 from one scene to the next the manikin does not have a orange vest on and a second later it does. The video is a piece of propaganda made to mislead the public into believe how great the Spetsnaz.
This is where I'm sort of with Ceiling Cat, because if these were live rounds firing at those Russians, I would think you'd see bodies hurt and people hurt and stuff, but we're not seeing that, so what gives?????!!!
I dont understand!!!
