Just a question and looking for opinions. Is it soooooooooooo terribly wrong for me to be homophobic. I can't stand cats either, am I catophobic? For whatever reason I cannot stand homosexuals. I simply do not want them anywhere near me (cats too!). I just do not understand the lifestyle I guess. I mean what is the huge attraction for screwing another guy? Biologically speaking homosexuality is really backwards - certain anatomical parts go it certain places, right? I just don't get it. I am firmly on the choice side of the issue. I do not think people are "born" gay. I believe it's a learned behaviour. I am probably leaving myself open to some sort of insane verbal attack saying I am racist or whatever but I just had to ask. Am I the only one who feels this way? Or am I in the silent majority?
Is it wrong. . . ?
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the rusty tromb said:
That's what usually happens. Tell us, dear fellow, at what age did you decide to become a heterosexual? For me it was in the fifth grade, the same day I chose to have fried chicken for dinner.
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No - you are entitled to your own views, others may like them and I trust that in polite company you keep your feelings to yourself.dj1470 said:
You 'don't think' people are born gay - have you ever taken the trouble to find out for sure?
Have you analyzed what exactly it is you hate? Do you think they're coming on to you?
I don't think you're racist - just too convinced that 'your' way is the only 'right' way and unwilling to even see another point of view.
As a child, we inherently trust. Intolerance is a learned behaviour that stems from ignorance. Take the trouble to find out facts. Take the trouble to meet some of these folk.
Or just continue to wallow in your own prejudices. That IS a matter of choice.
Have you analyzed what exactly it is you hate? Do you think they're coming on to you?
I don't think you're racist - just too convinced that 'your' way is the only 'right' way and unwilling to even see another point of view.
As a child, we inherently trust. Intolerance is a learned behaviour that stems from ignorance. Take the trouble to find out facts. Take the trouble to meet some of these folk.
Or just continue to wallow in your own prejudices. That IS a matter of choice.
You need to understand that some people think differently than you, develop some empathy and try put yourself in their shoes. They simply are attracted to other guys.dj1470 said:
It's not considered a sickness any longer, some people are just wired differently.
It's easy to avoid gays if they really bother you, they are usually avoiding confrontation also.
dj1470 said:
I won't make an attack here, I will leave that for other people to do. I'm just guessing here, you probably don't see anything wrong with lesbians though. I mean like most guys, you get turned on and fantasize about it, right?. You like the rest of us like the interactive duo. Hate to tell ya brother, but they are gay too. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander. Just something to keep in mind.
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Hell no, you aren't a racist. You're just a plain, ordinary ********* [edited as per TERB Posting Guideline #5. The number of characters has been altered to protect the innocent]dj1470 said:
Seriously though, the fact that you are willing to discuss your own feelings about this issue in a mature way and are showing yourself to be open to self examination and reflection shows that you are at least several notches better than what I was tempted to call you above. Ham2004 is quite right that you are entitled to your own views. It is when, where and how you express those views that will determine what kind of a person you are. What two consenting adults do with their private parts does not concern me. The more important question is why does it bother you so much? I urge you to show tolerance for others who may be different from you. And do a search for SPs with strap-ons. You might find that you like it.
While others line up to bash you for your post/inquirey I will go out on a limb and say that you are brave to have admitted to an unpopular viewpoint here. You cannot understand homosexuality and said so. I see that you are trying to understand something about yourself, homosexuals, how others view homosexuality and how others view you and your viewpoint towards it. I can't fault anyone for having the guts to ask questions and seek answers. I would respect more a person for discovering truths for him or herself by asking questions than I would someone just jumping on the bandwagon cause it's popular or "politically correct" to do so at the time.
Personally my viewpoint is whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is none of my business. I don't care. I got my own life to live. I have friend's who are straight and gay, they are my friend's for reasons that have nothing to do with what or who they choose to do sexually. I feel no threat from homosexuality because I know who I am and what my sexual orientation is (which at the moment is A-sexual...but I digress- ). Now that doesn't mean I'm a 110% in agreement with absolutly everything the gay community purports as true and normal, etc. etc. In fact homosexuals themselves are often in disagreement as to how they define themselves and so on.
All I can advise is to keep an open mind so that you may see more than one viewpoint on issues like this.
Personally my viewpoint is whatever two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is none of my business. I don't care. I got my own life to live. I have friend's who are straight and gay, they are my friend's for reasons that have nothing to do with what or who they choose to do sexually. I feel no threat from homosexuality because I know who I am and what my sexual orientation is (which at the moment is A-sexual...but I digress-
). Now that doesn't mean I'm a 110% in agreement with absolutly everything the gay community purports as true and normal, etc. etc. In fact homosexuals themselves are often in disagreement as to how they define themselves and so on.All I can advise is to keep an open mind so that you may see more than one viewpoint on issues like this.
Very valid points Eli.
"The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation."
Pierre Elliott Trudeau
"The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation."
Pierre Elliott Trudeau
I believe you are among the silent majority. Unfortunately it is politically incorrect to speak out against anything that the homosexual community wants. Many people do not approve of homosexuality. This does not make them "homophobic". A phobia is a fear, not approving of the homosexual lifestyle, or of homosexuality does not mean you fear it, nor does not make a person homophobic. That is a silly phrase, and is incorrectly used by many, especially in the media.
Do I care what people do behind closed doors? No, but I do not have to like it or accept it. There are many activities that people do in the privacy of their own home that you (or I) do not have to like, accept or agree with. That does not make you wrong, or "phobic". Why is it that anyone who disagrees with, or disapproves of homosexuality is branded as "homophobic"?
I find it strange that there are many people who promote "tolerance" yet do not tolerate your right to not accept their viewpoint. Tolerance means accepting those who disagree with your viewpoint. Doesn't it?
Do I care what people do behind closed doors? No, but I do not have to like it or accept it. There are many activities that people do in the privacy of their own home that you (or I) do not have to like, accept or agree with. That does not make you wrong, or "phobic". Why is it that anyone who disagrees with, or disapproves of homosexuality is branded as "homophobic"?
I find it strange that there are many people who promote "tolerance" yet do not tolerate your right to not accept their viewpoint. Tolerance means accepting those who disagree with your viewpoint. Doesn't it?
It's all a play on words - but if it makes y'a happy I guess so Coach.Coach said:
I'm intolerant of his judgement of people who do not "choose" a particular lifestyle. (sure as hell don't know why anyone would choose to be gay...it's not exactly an easy route).
I have many gay friends - spent many nights dancin' up a storm in a few gay bars over the years. I take offence to someone judging my friends' way of life or saying that they do not deserve the same rights as you and I, because their way doesn't fit the stereotypical "norm".
And who created the "norms"? - well I suppose years and years of social programming using so-called Biblical excerpts to create what we now know as the nuclear family.
Homosexuality has existed from the "get-go". It's not exactly the new "in" thing..... Society has simply evolved to a point where we have come to recognize the social programming that influenced our judgements of what is "right" or "wrong" in terms of sexual orientation. Slowly, (and thankfully) we are comming to the realization and acceptance of the fact that homosexuals are not "sick" or "evil" or "wrong" or "bad"...they are human and they are our equals. A hetrosexual, (understandably), cannot fully understand homosexual urges but that does not mean those urges are wrong - they're simply different.
It's all about fear of the "different" or "unknown". Some people simply refuse to invest the effort into looking at things from the other side. Intolerance is rooted in fear and ignorance.
So yeah - I suppose I'm intolerant - because I am afraid of the uninformed logic behind homophobia as a whole. Along with the rest of the fear-based logic that the religious zealots try to impose upon society.
The state certainly has no place in the bedrooms of the nation.
And the church has no place in the laws of the land.
We are all equal - and we all deserve equal rights regardless of the various interpretations of the various religions' stances on what is good and right.
I just find it laughable that while so many are so afraid of the "evil gay men that do things that are not biologically correct".... seeing two women getting it on is the ultimate male fantasy.
(lol - but then again - I suppose that theory only applies if the chicks are hot right?....
)Going back to the original question...
You wanted to know if YOU were wrong. Are you WRONG for believing what you believe, is Lynn WRONG for her beliefs? I think we need to step away from labeling people as wrong for what they believe and look instead at the actual beliefs themselves. There was a time when people believed the world was flat. I cannot say they as people, as human beings, are wrong. Why? Because at the time their knowledge was limited to the information they had precieved.
Now of course if one was to rob another of their freedom to believe in something...
You wanted to know if YOU were wrong. Are you WRONG for believing what you believe, is Lynn WRONG for her beliefs? I think we need to step away from labeling people as wrong for what they believe and look instead at the actual beliefs themselves. There was a time when people believed the world was flat. I cannot say they as people, as human beings, are wrong. Why? Because at the time their knowledge was limited to the information they had precieved.
Now of course if one was to rob another of their freedom to believe in something...
Homophobia is "fear". Not approving of homosexuality is "homophobia".Coach said:
Why would one not approve if they do not fear it? How can one justify that it is "wrong" if there is no reason to believe it to be wrong?
Why don't you like it or accept it? Why does it bother you so much? Sure it's not your thing...that's a-o-k...but it's someone else's way of life so why can't you accept it?
The answer is you cannot accept it because you were socially programmed to view heterosexuality as the only "right" way of life. You were programmed to believe that homosexuals are "queer" and "weird" and "sick" and "wrong".
You fear it because you do not understand it.
There's a difference between tolerating someone's in-grained, pre-programmed way of life; as opposed to someone's judgement and disdain for a group of innocent people who do not deserve the prejudicial attitudes and hate that some members of society still spew upon them.
