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Is the Ontario Dept of Health right to deny this young mother of two Herceptin

rafterman

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to fight her breast cancer?

$40 grand a year with very little indication of therapeutic benefit for ladies with small tumours.

Margaret Wente
A small cancer tumour, a giant time bomb
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From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Saturday, Mar. 19, 2011 2:00AM EDT
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Increase text size Whose heart wouldn’t break for Jill Anzarut? Ms. Anzarut, an immensely sympathetic 35-year-old mother of two, has become the latest victim of our callous health-care system. She was recently diagnosed with a small, early-stage tumour in her breast. Her doctor recommended treatment with Herceptin, a drug that costs upward of $40,000 a year. Just one problem: In Ontario, Ms. Anzarut’s tumour is too small to qualify. Now undergoing chemotherapy, she has been publicly campaigning for the drug, in between bouts of exhaustion and nausea. Government denies mom life-saving treatment, scream the headlines.

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Ceasefire Journalists and breast cancer advocates have been protesting against the grotesque injustice of it all. After all, other provinces cover Herceptin in cases such as hers. Talk about irony: Early detection is supposed to save lives, yet Ms. Anzarut is being denied the drug that could save hers. Ontario’s Health Minister, Deb Matthews, was roundly condemned for responding that health-care policy can’t be dictated by headlines.

But, of course, it is, and every health minister knows it. Ms. Matthews’s main political assignment is to minimize bad headlines until after the next election. Her main managerial assignment is to keep health-care costs from destroying public finances.

As it stands, that’s impossible. One reason is the high cost of expensive new drugs such as Herceptin – whose efficacy for patients such as Ms. Anzarut is debated even among research specialists. Herceptin’s benefits for women with very small tumours are, at best, marginal. But if it’s your tumour, marginal may be plenty good enough.

“You can’t pay for everything,” wrote Helen Stevenson in a letter to The Globe and Mail on Friday. Ms. Stevenson once had the unenviable job of running Ontario’s public drug programs. On one occasion, after turning down an expensive drug for a critically ill young boy, she cried. “Denying drugs is sometimes a necessary evil,” she wrote.

As irrational and arbitrary as our health-care system may be, it’s not uniquely callous. Every system has its faceless bureaucrats who serve as Dr. No. In Canada, they work for the government. In the United States, they work for the insurance companies. The difference is, people who run insurance companies don’t have to run for re-election.

A perfect storm of circumstances is driving health-care costs through the roof – new wonder drugs, unquenchable consumer demand, an aging population, and a declining base of taxpayers to foot the bills. The boomers neglected to have enough children, meaning that more and more elderly people – the ones who consume the vast majority of health care – will be supported by fewer and fewer young people. It’s a demographic time bomb, and it’s not unique to Canada. “Prevention” and “efficiency” won’t solve the problem, unless we give everyone an automatic expiry date.

Yet, an astonishing number of people in this country still imagine we can keep things pretty much the way they are. These people are dangerous. That’s because health care is the vampire that will suck our children dry.

Rising health-care costs eat up nearly half of all provincial budgets. And because most health care is consumed by the elderly, its rising cost will mean a larger and larger transfer of wealth from the young to the old. Not even Tommy Douglas would endorse that.

Which institutions are more important to our future – hospitals or schools? We’ve already made the choice. As British economics writer Anatole Kaletsky wrote recently, “If this ordering of priorities is maintained, all public services apart from those serving the old and the sick will drastically suffer. Multitudes of public employees will lose their jobs, many more households will sink into poverty, and education will deteriorate – all to ensure that spending on [the National Health Service] can keep growing.” He was writing about Britain, but the same goes for us, too. The surest way to hasten the dismantling of the postwar welfare state, he argues, is to defend the status quo in health care.

In other words, if you care about education, decent public services and a social safety net for the worst off, you should be demanding health-care reform. You should be insisting on widespread experimentation, including a large shift of costs and services to the private sector. You should be arguing that, if a mixed public-private system is good enough for France or Sweden or Switzerland, it might even be good enough for us. And the next time someone stands up to defend the status quo, please understand that she’s endorsing a set of social policies that systematically discriminates against families and young adults.

That, however, is the debate we won’t have. For the sake of re-election, every politician is determined to avoid it. Every politician knows that, any time you pit a suffering young mom against the phrase “cost-benefit analysis,” it’s no contest.

To nobody’s surprise, the Ontario Health Minister’s office is now opening the door to giving Ms. Anzarut the drug she wants, on a “case-to-case basis.” And Ontario’s Ombudsman is getting into the act, investigating whether the government is denying life-saving treatment to other moms. As for Jill Anzarut, who could blame her? If I were in her shoes, I’d probably want that drug, too.
 

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Just going by what is presented in the article I would side with the gov't on this one. The drug apparently has not proven itself useful in combating tumours of this size. Since she is going through chemo it's not like they denied her all forms of treatment, just one that in all likelihood would be of little value to her.

And they didn't deny her the drug, they denied the idea of the gov't footing the bill. I have a friend who - in similar situation - had friends and family organize fund-raisers to raise the money he needed to get the treatment he desired.

I can understand someone in her position grabbing at any possible solution to her illness. However I also understand that the gov't cannot fund healthcare 100% for everyone. It just can't be done.
 

nottyboi

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Yes I agree it is right to deny it. All indications are her condition would not be improved by it. In fact, I think they should publish guidelines for doctors in these cases. The doctor created this highly charged situation by prescribing the drug which was not beneficial. WTF is that all about. Doctors that do this should have to go for retraining as they are bankrupting the damn system.
 

69Shooter

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Yes I agree it is right to deny it. All indications are her condition would not be improved by it. In fact, I think they should publish guidelines for doctors in these cases. The doctor created this highly charged situation by prescribing the drug which was not beneficial. WTF is that all about. Doctors that do this should have to go for retraining as they are bankrupting the damn system.
The system can bankrupt itself without any help from doctors!
 

blackrock13

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Yes I agree it is right to deny it. All indications are her condition would not be improved by it. In fact, I think they should publish guidelines for doctors in these cases. The doctor created this highly charged situation by prescribing the drug which was not beneficial. WTF is that all about. Doctors that do this should have to go for retraining as they are bankrupting the damn system.
If this had happened a months ago, I'm sure you wold have had the ice flow ready for the mother. The political part of this situation was clarified in the last paragraph, although dragging their all the way just hoping will be the order of the day no doubt.

"To nobody’s surprise, the Ontario Health Minister’s office is now opening the door to giving Ms. Anzarut the drug she wants, on a “case-to-case basis.” And Ontario’s Ombudsman is getting into the act, investigating whether the government is denying life-saving treatment to other moms. As for Jill Anzarut, who could blame her? If I were in her shoes, I’d probably want that drug, too."
 

hamermill

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In a place far, far away
they should allow private hospitals
We should open up free health care for everyone on this planet. Come to Canada when you are sick, we don't care if you don't live here, never paid any taxes, never will pay any taxes, don't contribute to our economy.

Canada should also pay for any and every untested drug treatment regardless of substantiated proof of medical evidence.

And it is called the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care (MOHLTC for short).

Dept is so American or Federal.
 

nottyboi

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The system can bankrupt itself without any help from doctors!
probably, but more then 12% of the ENTIRE health care budget goes to doctors salaries, add to that expensive drug use, and we'll be bankrupt pretty soon.
 

5hummer

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Wasn't there a story about an Ontario woman with 'a-face-growth-tumor', and was denied drugs for treatment?
 
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