http://www.lapresse.ca/videos/sport...peladeau.php/49598e9ee2d847c2ab3deca5e5eb99db
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IYHO - Video : Police guilty of brutality or not?
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Without knowing what led up to the arrest it's hard to say, but it looks like she (I think a she) was asking for it.
Feline you are going to need to give us some details if you expect me to disagree with Oracle.
The police are pursuing two robbery suspects and corner them, during the arrest the suspect is slammed into the police car at 0:15 her head is then shoved into the car twice before she is taken to the other side of the car ( 0:42 ) and her head is shoved into the top of the door ledge before the suspect is shoved into the back.
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The "suspect" is also obviously resisting. Yes, the cop is a bigger guy, but anyone that's ever tried to wrestle someone that doesn't care who they hurt, including themselves, knows that it can take a lot to get them under control. It's a lot easier to be out of control than it is maintain it. I don't see police brutality here either.
This argument of resisting arrest is so often used by the police to excuse unnecessary use of force on a person. There is no reason to slam a person into the car once they have been handcuffed. Let alone bash their head into the door frame of the car when attempting to put the person in there. Then to slam the doors, presumably on the person.
This is pretty clear case of police brutality. I suspect the arial footage is from a police helicopter, so I am sure it will conveniently disappear when the trial comes around.
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Doesn't matter what led up to the arrest, that was excessive force.
Cops are supposed to act in a professional manner, not bouncing peoples heads off doors...
I see some pushing into the side of the cruiser, I don't see pile drivering into the car such that the subject has been injured. Lacking more as to what was going on - given what I can see I still have to say no excessive force.
Then I propose some day you arrest someone who doesn't want to be arrested and see how easy you find it to control them. I think you'll find it's not as simple as you think, and sometimes slamming people around is the only way to make sure you maintain control.
I don't know what video clip you watched, however, in the linked video above, the woman does not attempt to kick any of the officers in the groin even once, let alone 3 times.
So if someone, commits an act of aggression against you, you are just going to go limp and roll over merely because another person (we are all equal under the law, remember) happens to be wearing a uniform and claims to have authority over you? You wouldn't even attempt to defend yourself? Last I checked, even in our sham of a justice system, we are innocent until proven guilty in a "court of law".
So for the government policy enforcement people (a.k.a. the police) to take this person into custody without a warrant, is not even following their own rules.
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Watch the very beginning of the video, the way the cops yanked her off the ground it's no surprise that this girl was trying to defend herself on the way to the cruiser...and with 3 male cops restraining her was it really needed to throw punches at a handcuffed, tiny girl and then slam the cruiser door on her...I mean I know it's become standard procedure and all but come on.
Well, you sure twisted that one.
If police approach you and order you to surrender to be placed under arrest, then yes, you are expected to go limp and roll over. Not because they "claim" to have authority over you, but because they do. You don't "defend" yourself from being arrested. You comply with the law and allow the courts to determine if you're right or wrong.
I don't know where you get the idea it's against the law for police to arrest without warrant though. Nor where you get the idea that arrest means you've been found guilty. Methinks you need to go back to grade 12 and take a Law 101 or Civics 101 or maybe just Critical Thinking 101.
You don't "defend yourself" from police. That's called resisting arrest, and I'm glad you agree she was doing it. If you resist, you will have force applied until they're sure you've stopped resisting.
Was it really necessary to yank her off the ground that forcefully? And the punches to the head, what were those for? To protect themselves from a handcuffed little girl?
Ever tried to lift someone that's resisting? It's not easy. There's a reason there's a jerk in the clean and jerk - it gives you the oomph to get the movement started.
I didn't see a punch. *shrug* In any case, if you had to bring people in that didn't want to come, I suspect you'd use a little force too. Besides, she couldn't have been that hurt. She was still kicking as they were trying to close the car doors. At that point she's "away from them". They're trying put a closed, secure door between them and her, and she's having none of it. Should tell you the degree to which she was resisting, no?
What makes you think I'm black? And if you check this thread, you'll find several people share my view. Show me police brutality and I'll call it what it is, but show me a video of some woman acting like she's possessed, kicking and flailing, and a group of cops that, at most, you can accuse of "jerking her shorply", and I'm not going to run to Den Haag and try to get them tried for crimes against humanity.
