Jesus tomb documentary to air tonight
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crocket said:Tonight at 8pm on the vision network, if you want to get all of James Camerons facts.
http://www.visiontv.ca/
So suppose the documentary is accurate and the all the facts that support the theory could be proved beyond reasonable doubt... a very high standard... sufficient to send people to their deaths!
What difference does it make?
Do you think any Christian Church would accept it? Do you think any Church would accept any facts that contradict Church dogma?
Remember Galileo? It took the Holy See more than 350 years to accept the fact that the Earth circulates around the Sun and exhonerate Galileo.
And how about the flat Earth dogma?
And so many others... Teilhard de Chardin, for example...
Perry
What difference does it make?
Do you think any Christian Church would accept it? Do you think any Church would accept any facts that contradict Church dogma?
Remember Galileo? It took the Holy See more than 350 years to accept the fact that the Earth circulates around the Sun and exhonerate Galileo.
And how about the flat Earth dogma?
And so many others... Teilhard de Chardin, for example...
Perry
I doubt that those are jesus's bones. There where as many Jesus's then as there are Dave's today. Being a prophet in those days was like being a Dj today, or a guitar player in the seventies. Dime a dozen, lots of local heros. Kinda like the Tiesto or Jeff Beck of his time. I put as much cultural value on this as reading about Fatty Arbucle. He was crucified too.
Well pretty much the last thing I posted on the original thread on this topic.Perry Mason said:So suppose the documentary is accurate and the all the facts that support the theory could be proved beyond reasonable doubt... a very high standard... sufficient to send people to their deaths!
Some interesting comments I've come across regarding James Cameron's "find." Cameron has been promoting his television program as offering "tangible, physical, archeological and in some cases forensic evidence” for the existence of Jesus.
As The Right Rev. N.T. Wright, Bishop of Durham, and a leading New Testament scholar says “I can’t believe how far behind the game he is, scholars from all religious traditions and none have no doubts that Jesus lived. The argument is about whether he was who he said he was.”
Professor Geza Vermes, a world authority on the life and times of Jesus and one of the first to study the Dead Sea Scrolls and a self described “sympathetic agnostic,” says “These are such common names of the time that nothing would oblige you to connect them with the figures of the New Testament. You’d also have to assume that Joseph and Mary — who famously lived in Nazareth — moved to Jerusalem to be buried there. If we had an inscription saying ‘This is Jesus, son of Joseph, celebrated as the Messiah’, then we might be getting somewhere, because why would you need an ossuary if the body has been raised . . . but I wish I hadn’t suggested that because it will give someone an idea!”
Keith Ward, Regius Professor of Divinity (emeritus) at Oxford University,
Feels the current fascination with the ossuary is different from religious veneration. Relics offered a sense of devotion because of their perceived link to Jesus — “like people who collect football shirts” — but “this modern obsession is the opposite.” “Like The Da Vinci Code, it is the simple desire to shock even when the argument is breathtakingly literalistic, ludicrous and superstitious.” "As a scholar, I don’t care if people aren’t religious, but I am dumbfounded at the second-rate thinking."
No, that's The Church of the Resurrection/The Church of the Holy Sepulchre. And as it's Eastern Orthodox name implies that tomb is empty.XTORONTO said:Sad how Isrealis may have built apartments over Jesus's tomb.
sure- but these film makers are hardly galileoPerry Mason said:So suppose the documentary is accurate and the all the facts that support the theory could be proved beyond reasonable doubt... a very high standard... sufficient to send people to their deaths!
What difference does it make?
Do you think any Christian Church would accept it? Do you think any Church would accept any facts that contradict Church dogma?
Remember Galileo? It took the Holy See more than 350 years to accept the fact that the Earth circulates around the Sun and exhonerate Galileo.
And how about the flat Earth dogma?
And so many others... Teilhard de Chardin, for example...
Perry
Aardvark154 said:No, that's The Church of the Resurrection/The Church of the Holy Sepulchre. And as it's Eastern Orthodox name implies that tomb is empty.
The Church of the Resurrection/The Church of the Holy Sepulchre? And as it's Eastern Orthodox name implies that tomb is empty? wtf ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
WTH do you think?XTORONTO said:The Church of the Resurrection/The Church of the Holy Sepulchre? And as it's Eastern Orthodox name implies that tomb is empty? wtf ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
Probably not much in the minds of most Christians.Perry Mason said:So suppose the documentary is accurate and the all the facts that support the theory could be proved beyond reasonable doubt... a very high standard... sufficient to send people to their deaths!
What difference does it make?
Very interesting show nonetheless just on the archaeology, biblical history side of things. I really enjoyed the part on Mariamne/Mary Magdalene and Philip. Male dominant Church surpressing the importance of her role ... as someone already said, it's not the religion that kills, is the people who manipulate and mess with it.
BTW , it's channel 60 on Roger's cable, GTA.
If it can be proven to be true it certainly would set Christian religion back a few centuries!
Even if it is true you will never get a consensus from any Christian religion saying the discovery is correct.
To turn at this point and say we were wrong just won't happen.
Even if it is true you will never get a consensus from any Christian religion saying the discovery is correct.
To turn at this point and say we were wrong just won't happen.
Well, now that I have seen the documentary, I am not so sure about that.red said:sure- but these film makers are hardly galileo
Cameron and Jacobovici seem equally controversial and revolutionary... they have marshalled some very persuasive arguments and evidence... not proof beyond reasonable doubt, of course, but "proof" at least as persuasive -- if not more -- as the dogma upon which much "conventional" Christian doctrine is based.
Why, then, should we prefer the dogma and totally reject their thesis? Unless, of course, your mind is totally closed on the subject.
Perry
i am indifferent. but without seeing the documentary its hard to comment. can you summarize the "proof"Perry Mason said:Well, now that I have seen the documentary, I am not so sure about that.
Cameron and Jacobovici seem equally controversial and revolutionary... they have marshalled some very persuasive arguments and evidence... not proof beyond reasonable doubt, of course, but "proof" at least as persuasive -- if not more -- as the dogma upon which much "conventional" Christian doctrine is based.
Why, then, should we prefer the dogma and totally reject their thesis? Unless, of course, your mind is totally closed on the subject.
Perry
In a word, no.red said:i am indifferent. but without seeing the documentary its hard to comment. can you summarize the "proof"
It is a +2 hour documentary with lots of direct and circumstantial evidence, so it would be unfair to even try.
If it does matter to you -- and you say it does not -- then watch it and come to your own conclusions. It's the only fair thing to do.
All I say is that it has a logic of its own and it is worth considering.
Perry
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crocket said:Tonight at 8pm on the vision network, if you want to get all of James Camerons facts.
The end is near..... LOL
