Karmic Koala Ubuntu 9.10

[WoodPeckr]

Just downloaded and installed the latest version Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala.
So far I like what they did. Boots up in < 1 minute.
Went all out and selected 64 bit and the new EXT4 file system. EXT4 is replacing EXT3.

Took 21 minutes to install (this included printer install) then ~15 minutes to update and was good to go.
Install was flawless and wireless worked out of the box on my Toshiba laptop.
The only tweak needed was a Flash upgrade which was done with code put in Terminal that was provided from the Ubuntu Forums. It was the same code used for Ubuntu 9.04 the last version before Karmic Koala.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Karmic Koala Update

After playing around with KK for a couple days it is both nice and also a bit buggy. Like the look, boots up fast and shuts down even faster but is slower overall than Jaunty, Intrepid or Hardy, in its general operation. When surfing pages load erratic, sometimes fast and snappy and other times slow to very slow for all 3 browsers I use, which is disappointing. So I see no need to hurry and upgrade to KK if you are happy with the performance of your older Ubuntu versions.

Not sure if it is due to KK or the new file system Ext4 which I am trying for the first time. Always used Ext3 in the past.

Internet radio, which I use a lot, takes too long to load on KK and last fm won't play the free version at all, they want you to become a paid subscriber....

 

[WoodPeckr]

Have you tried it with Ext3? I'm still reluctant to go with Ext4. Also, I assume you did a fresh install rather than upgrading from JJ to KK?

Have not tried KK yet with Ext3......thinking about it though, or just going back to JJ which runs great.
I did a clean install of KK, it's faster. Heard an online upgrade from JJ to KK can take a couple hours. Plus I wanted to try Ext4. If you upgrade online I believe you have to stay with Ext3.
The KK clean install (including printer) and then updates took 35 minutes.

 

[jwmorrice]

After playing around with KK for a couple days it is both nice and also a bit buggy. Like the look, boots up fast and shuts down even faster but is slower overall than Jaunty, Intrepid or Hardy, in its general operation. When surfing pages load erratic, sometimes fast and snappy and other times slow to very slow for all 3 browsers I use, which is disappointing. So I see no need to hurry and upgrade to KK if you are happy with the performance of your older Ubuntu versions.

Not sure if it is due to KK or the new file system Ext4 which I am trying for the first time. Always used Ext3 in the past.

Internet radio, which I use a lot, takes too long to load on KK and last fm won't play the free version at all, they want you to become a paid subscriber....

Aside from the hiccup I reported in my KK thread, things have gone well for me. No experience of erratic performance. This is with the 64 bit ext4 file system. I have no problems surfing. I just use FF.

I thought that I'd be spending more time on Windows 7 than I had before but no, I'm back to using ubuntu at least as much as before. It doesn't have W7's eye candy but it's been solid.

Perhaps Woody, your ancient computer has just hit the wall with this release.

jwm

 

[WoodPeckr]

Aside from the hiccup I reported in my KK thread, things have gone well for me. No experience of erratic performance. This is with the 64 bit ext4 file system. I have no problems surfing. I just use FF.

It doesn't have W7's eye candy but it's been solid.

Perhaps Woody, your ancient computer has just hit the wall with this release.

Glad to hear that good report on KK with Ext4.

I'm running KK 64 bit Ext4 on my newer dual core Toshiba laptop not on my 12 yr old antique....

Wireless is running erratic also with KK. KK is either super fast, faster than my desktop or it crawls! This never happened with earlier Ubuntu versions. Have seen others on the Ubuntu Forums registering the same complaints so far.

 

[onehunglow]

Have not tried KK yet with Ext3......thinking about it though, or just going back to JJ which runs great.
I did a clean install of KK, it's faster. Heard an online upgrade from JJ to KK can take a couple hours. Plus I wanted to try Ext4. If you upgrade online I believe you have to stay with Ext3.
The KK clean install (including printer) and then updates took 35 minutes.

As someone who champions Linux i was wondering how difficult it would be for an average windows user to install and start using linux with decent proficiency. Never used it myself but after reading all you have to say about it i just might try it. Just don't have a lot of time to try and master another OS.

Also i FRIGGIN hate Mico$oft. Make a living from them .....but hate em.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Never used it myself but after reading all you have to say about it i just might try it. Just don't have a lot of time to try and master another OS.

Also i FRIGGIN hate Mico$oft. Make a living from them .....but hate em.

This is why I recommend a dual boot system.
Dual boot only requires a 20GB partition from your 'C' drive.
This gives you 2 OSs, so you can still have full use of M$ while learning Linux.
Using Firefox on Ubuntu is exactly the same as it's used on M$.
Ubuntu is laid out very simple and better, IMHO than XP and about as intuitive to pickup as a Mac.
Ubuntu Forums as excellent for help in answering any questions.

 

[onehunglow]

This is why I recommend a dual boot system.
Dual boot only requires a 20GB partition from your 'C' drive.
This gives you 2 OSs, so you can still have full use of M$ while learning Linux.
Using Firefox on Ubuntu is exactly the same as it's used on M$.
Ubuntu is laid out very simple and better, IMHO than XP and about as intuitive to pickup as a Mac.
Ubuntu Forums as excellent for help in answering any questions.

Thanks, will give it a lot of thought and set up a machine.

 

[sleazure]

As someone who champions Linux i was wondering how difficult it would be for an average windows user to install and start using linux with decent proficiency. Never used it myself but after reading all you have to say about it i just might try it. Just don't have a lot of time to try and master another OS.

Also i FRIGGIN hate Mico$oft. Make a living from them .....but hate em.

Ubuntu is fairly idiot-proof.

The distro doubles as a demo CD. You can testdrive it on your pc without installing.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Ubuntu is fairly idiot-proof.

The distro doubles as a demo CD. You can testdrive it on your pc without installing.

Forgot the mention this Live CD feature that lets you run Ubuntu to see what it is like. If you don't want to download and burn your own CD you can order a free install CD from the Ubuntu website through their 'Ship-it' department. Mine usually takes 3 weeks lately after ordering it.

 

[WoodPeckr]

I'm thinking of installing it beside JJ so I can play with it while still having JJ. I already have multiple OSes on my PC (various Linux flavors, I'm not going back to Microshit)

Just posted a few pix in the Lounge to test KK and it was acting squirrelly and erratic compared to JJ which ran more solid on my laptop. Sadly my 12 yr old P2 was posting those pix better with JJ than my newer laptop with KK.

PS: Since jwmorrice reports KK 64 bit Ext4, runs fine for him and I'm running the same config, I suspect my issues lie with the Toshiba laptop & its harware.

PPS: Starting to suspect Opera, my fav browser is the culprit. Opera does things different than FF to boost Opera speed. Started using FF and noticed things are running better on KK. It's possible Opera is causing KK to perform erratically. In the past Opera ran buggy with many Ubuntu versions till IPV6 was disabled in Opera. Once IPV6 was disabled Opera FLEW noticeably faster than FF. In later Opera versions IPV6 was embedded in Opera making it impossible to disable unless you changed internal code in Opera....not that easy to do. Some other posters on the Ubuntu Forums think this IPV6 issue is at fault also and recommended going back to FF until Opera fixes this bug. The new 'Turbo' feature on Opera seems to exacerbate things worse with Opera here.

 

[danibbler]

As someone who champions Linux i was wondering how difficult it would be for an average windows user to install and start using linux with decent proficiency.

That's a stupid idea; of course he is going to answer in the affirmative!

Look, just give Ubuntu a shot and check it out for yourself. I tried it a couple of years ago and it was not that intuitive. I'll probably take another crack at it but I don't really need to. The Mac and OS X does cost more but there are tons of free programs out there for the platform so no need to worry on that score.

There is a reason why OS X's market share is hitting double digits while Linux just nudged past its first digit even though it's free. Give Ubuntu a shot!

 

[WoodPeckr]

It's really nice being M$ & Mac free

There is a reason why OS X's market share is hitting double digits while Linux just nudged past its first digit even though it's free. Give Ubuntu a shot!

LOL!!!
Yep and it's called saturation advertising!!!....
Apple has been hitting people with ads up the ying-yang!!!
With all the Apple ads bombarding folks some will believe it and try Mac.
Linux has no vast sales wing like M$ & Mac because it's free. They just put out some distros for folks tired of having their pockets picked by a couple outfits every couple years.
I DO everything I want with Linux and it doesn't cost a penny.....

 

[danibbler]

It's not really saturation advertising. If that was the case then we'd all be using MS stuff.

I've known about Linux since '96-'97 and even sold the various distros available at that time such as Red Hat, OpenSuse, Caldera and so on. Sure, you could download it off the Internet even then but a lot of people wanted to avoid that when it was all dial-up.

Anyways, Linux has always had a sort of buzz to it and a LOT of people tried it. Geeze, I mean they paid for it right? But, unless you were dedicated enough you weren't going to go far with it.

It's only in the last 3-4 years that it's been "user-friendly" enough with the advent of Ubuntu that your typical Joe Schmoe will give it a shot and maybe stick with it.

As has been iterated here many times, if you want ease of use and convenience then go with OS X. If you want to futz around a bit then go with Windows or Ubuntu. It depends on how much you value your time. Going Mac will cost you in terms of hardware and the OS itself but in terms of other software it can all be done for free.

 

[terpene]

Ok

That's a stupid idea; of course he is going to answer in the affirmative!

Look, just give Ubuntu a shot and check it out for yourself. I tried it a couple of years ago and it was not that intuitive. I'll probably take another crack at it but I don't really need to. The Mac and OS X does cost more but there are tons of free programs out there for the platform so no need to worry on that score.

There is a reason why OS X's market share is hitting double digits while Linux just nudged past its first digit even though it's free. Give Ubuntu a shot!

I recently tried Ubuntu JJ (my first serious use of linux - not counting Linpus on my AAOne). Easy to install as live disk or as dual boot. It needed to be tweaked to get on line, and to print. Finding my way into the files took a bit of effort, and the desktop was not too esthetically appealing. Having got used to it for a couple of days, I tried KK, which was a huge step forward for me. It was printing and internet-ready in no time, the layout and options were a delight to use. Firefox was fine until it seized up synchronizing xmarks - not a linux problem, though.

I'm a convert to Ubuntu!

 

[WoodPeckr]

Opera 10.10 Beta, Solved IPV6 issue and KK is Flying!

PPS: Starting to suspect Opera, my fav browser is the culprit. Opera does things different than FF to boost Opera's surfing speed. Started using FF and noticed things are running better on KK. It's possible Opera is causing KK to perform erratically. In the past Opera ran buggy with many Ubuntu versions till IPV6 was disabled in Opera. Once IPV6 was disabled Opera FLEW noticeably faster than FF. In later Opera versions IPV6 was embedded in Opera making it impossible to disable unless you changed internal code in Opera....not that easy to do. Some other posters on the Ubuntu Forums think this IPV6 issue is at fault also and recommended going back to FF until Opera fixes this bug. The new 'Turbo' feature on Opera seems to exacerbate things worse with Opera here.

Opera WAS the reason KK was running erratic for me.
Got the solution on the Ubuntu Forums today from a couple others who were complaining about the same issue, implemented it and both Opera 10.10 beta and KK are flying better than ever!....

It was an IPV6 issue as suspected and newly released beta Opera 10.10 version fixed this.

From the Ubuntu Forums:

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/

Upgrade to latest beta, its supposed to address the IPV6 issue.

FWIW
This is a newly released beta Opera version and it flies, noticeably faster than FF.

Now KK runs better than ever on my laptop when surfing, very snappy indeed!
I'm really surprised Opera took this long to correct this known issue.

 

[sailorsix]

Uninstall Ubuntu

Well as you all know I installed Unbuntu about a week ago as dual boot.

Whattta fucking pain in the ass the install was.

How do I uninstall it?

Now that I bought my wife a Vista Netbook I stripped a hole bunch of shit off our old Dell (gigs and gigs of pics) and it now works perfectly fine under XP ...'cept it sometimes tries to start as Ubuntu.

I just want to delete it and stick with XP.
Thanks/

 

[WoodPeckr]

I'm a convert to Ubuntu!

You are on your way to becoming M$ & Mac FREE!....

 

[WoodPeckr]

How do I uninstall it?
Thanks

Simple.
Just format the HDD and install XP.

 

[jwmorrice]

Well as you all know I installed Unbuntu about a week ago as dual boot.

Whattta fucking pain in the ass the install was.

How do I uninstall it?

Now that I bought my wife a Vista Netbook I stripped a hole bunch of shit off our old Dell (gigs and gigs of pics) and it now works perfectly fine under XP ...'cept it sometimes tries to start as Ubuntu.

I just want to delete it and stick with XP.
Thanks/

Try this:
http://bobmorris.wordpress.com/2008...u-on-dual-boot-windows-xp-using-windows-only/

jwm