Legal / Illegal ?
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Search for "incall outcall legal" - search engine top right. This question has been asked many times.
eg:
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https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8529&highlight=outcalls+legal
My understanding
Essentially:
OUTCALLS - Should be ok for a woman to visit your hotel or residence. Stick to well established agencies. Pay cash to avoid a paper trail. [yellow warning]
INCALLS - Be careful of incall agencies as they are more likely to attract the attention of the police. There are many girls who operate independently. Note: Whenever you visit an incall apartment you are visiting a bawdy house as defined by the Criminal Code of Canada. [orange warning]
STREETWORKERS - Be very careful. There are undercover officers who prey on tourists. Plus the street workers have a tendency to rip off tourists.
MPK
Essentially:
OUTCALLS - Should be ok for a woman to visit your hotel or residence. Stick to well established agencies. Pay cash to avoid a paper trail. [yellow warning]
INCALLS - Be careful of incall agencies as they are more likely to attract the attention of the police. There are many girls who operate independently. Note: Whenever you visit an incall apartment you are visiting a bawdy house as defined by the Criminal Code of Canada. [orange warning]
STREETWORKERS - Be very careful. There are undercover officers who prey on tourists. Plus the street workers have a tendency to rip off tourists.
MPK
Correction
Actually, I would just like to make a correction.
Outcalls are totally legal. There is nothing wrong with them.
Technically, all you are paying for is the time spent with the lady.
And what you do behind closed doors is your own business.....
Kyla Morgan
www.kylamorgan.com
Actually, I would just like to make a correction.
Outcalls are totally legal. There is nothing wrong with them.
Technically, all you are paying for is the time spent with the lady.
And what you do behind closed doors is your own business.....
Kyla Morgan
www.kylamorgan.com
(1) CSIS site - Law & Sex Work
Check out the CSIS site on http://www.walnet.org for up-to-date, straight-forward info Re: Sex work in Canada. (Site is broken down into commerce, culture, health & law). Many of us on both sides of this business are unclear about the laws surrounding it – (I guarantee some of the details about entrapment and bawdy-house will surprise a few people even on this board).
BUT the good news and reality is that in Canada most cops and judges just want ‘prostitution’ off the street and regularly ignore what they know is going on unless it’s shoved in their faces. Our laws and enforcement are much more ‘relaxed’ than the US when it comes to the sex industry, as long as exploitation isn't the issue.
Like all major cities, street cops here have their hands full with rampant drug addiction and related property crimes and complaints. Vice is busy with large-scale grow ops, drug busts and organized crime. So… welcome to Canada and our liberal attitude towards the sex industry. Be aware, but don’t be too concerned about it. Just have fun in our awesome country – we’re all proof that while the risks are there, they’re low.
Check out the CSIS site on http://www.walnet.org for up-to-date, straight-forward info Re: Sex work in Canada. (Site is broken down into commerce, culture, health & law). Many of us on both sides of this business are unclear about the laws surrounding it – (I guarantee some of the details about entrapment and bawdy-house will surprise a few people even on this board).
BUT the good news and reality is that in Canada most cops and judges just want ‘prostitution’ off the street and regularly ignore what they know is going on unless it’s shoved in their faces. Our laws and enforcement are much more ‘relaxed’ than the US when it comes to the sex industry, as long as exploitation isn't the issue.
Like all major cities, street cops here have their hands full with rampant drug addiction and related property crimes and complaints. Vice is busy with large-scale grow ops, drug busts and organized crime. So… welcome to Canada and our liberal attitude towards the sex industry. Be aware, but don’t be too concerned about it. Just have fun in our awesome country – we’re all proof that while the risks are there, they’re low.
(2) Sex Work Legal/Illegal?
Prostitution itself has NEVER been illegal in Canada – it’s the laws surrounding it that lead to criminal charges. In 1985, in an effort to get girls “off the street,” the old solicitation laws were replaced with section 213 of the Canadian Criminal Code, which prohibits 'communicating' for the purpose of prostitution in a public place – a summary offence to both parties involved. WHAT THIS MEANS: as discussed on this thread and the link to previous discussion, the 'act' of exchanging sexual services for money is LEGAL in Canada.
The envelope and the ‘paying for time’ issues are no longer relevant between independent SPs and clients. Throw the $$ on the bed and roll all over it, it doesn’t matter – it ISN’T ILLEGAL to either ‘exchange’ payment for services, or even discuss doing so…AS LONG AS you aren’t in ‘public.’ So as already stated, outcall between and independent SP and client CAN BE be totally within the law from start to finish. Client’s hotel room/home is considered private. SP’s home is safe re: section 213, but NOT free from the possibility of bawdy-house charges under section 210, (indictable offences for running it, summary for being there). http://walnet.org/csis/legal_tips/trials/bawdybiz.html
Bawdy-house laws include any place used on a regular basis (INCLUDING private home, hotel room). TWICE proves “regular basis.” The $$ on the table doesn't protect anyone from section 210. (These charges can be laid even without a sex4$$ exchange). Answering the phone and booking calls breaks this law too. It gets worse… Section 210 (1) Keeping a Common Bawdy-House is considered an enterprise-crime, Th4 all of the SP’s or agency’s possessions can be seized as ‘proceeds of crime.’
Prostitution itself has NEVER been illegal in Canada – it’s the laws surrounding it that lead to criminal charges. In 1985, in an effort to get girls “off the street,” the old solicitation laws were replaced with section 213 of the Canadian Criminal Code, which prohibits 'communicating' for the purpose of prostitution in a public place – a summary offence to both parties involved. WHAT THIS MEANS: as discussed on this thread and the link to previous discussion, the 'act' of exchanging sexual services for money is LEGAL in Canada.
The envelope and the ‘paying for time’ issues are no longer relevant between independent SPs and clients. Throw the $$ on the bed and roll all over it, it doesn’t matter – it ISN’T ILLEGAL to either ‘exchange’ payment for services, or even discuss doing so…AS LONG AS you aren’t in ‘public.’ So as already stated, outcall between and independent SP and client CAN BE be totally within the law from start to finish. Client’s hotel room/home is considered private. SP’s home is safe re: section 213, but NOT free from the possibility of bawdy-house charges under section 210, (indictable offences for running it, summary for being there). http://walnet.org/csis/legal_tips/trials/bawdybiz.html
Bawdy-house laws include any place used on a regular basis (INCLUDING private home, hotel room). TWICE proves “regular basis.” The $$ on the table doesn't protect anyone from section 210. (These charges can be laid even without a sex4$$ exchange). Answering the phone and booking calls breaks this law too. It gets worse… Section 210 (1) Keeping a Common Bawdy-House is considered an enterprise-crime, Th4 all of the SP’s or agency’s possessions can be seized as ‘proceeds of crime.’
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(3) Sex Work - Legal? Illegal?
Section 212 - Procuring. It’s illegal to help anyone buy or sell sexual services – indictable offence. (But none of us have to worry about this one right? lol!) Agencies can get charged even if they only ever discussed “time.” Clients and other SPs can be charged for referring or directing clients.
Forget about “entrapment” in Canada – SPs can provide full service to a cop who denied he was LE, and then still be charged after! And they don't have to tell you they’re cops even if asked. If LE get a warrant for your 'place of business' which is separate from your home, they can search your home as well without a separate warrant, which brings us back to 210 and proceeds of crime again.
http://walnet.org/csis/legal_tips/trials/trickortrap.html
But WIYD is totally correct!!
Section 212 - Procuring. It’s illegal to help anyone buy or sell sexual services – indictable offence. (But none of us have to worry about this one right? lol!) Agencies can get charged even if they only ever discussed “time.” Clients and other SPs can be charged for referring or directing clients.
Forget about “entrapment” in Canada – SPs can provide full service to a cop who denied he was LE, and then still be charged after! And they don't have to tell you they’re cops even if asked. If LE get a warrant for your 'place of business' which is separate from your home, they can search your home as well without a separate warrant, which brings us back to 210 and proceeds of crime again.
http://walnet.org/csis/legal_tips/trials/trickortrap.html
But WIYD is totally correct!!
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Re: Correction
for example, an agency that hires minors ... look at the david allen empire / yellow pages agency bust that made headlines ...
or agency owners can get charged with living off the avails ... look at the exotica / aids fairy case a few years ago ...
syn
although "technically legal" ... there may be problems with outcalls ...Kyla_Morgan said:Actually, I would just like to make a correction.
Outcalls are totally legal. There is nothing wrong with them.
Technically, all you are paying for is the time spent with the lady.
And what you do behind closed doors is your own business.....
Kyla Morgan
www.kylamorgan.com
for example, an agency that hires minors ... look at the david allen empire / yellow pages agency bust that made headlines ...
or agency owners can get charged with living off the avails ... look at the exotica / aids fairy case a few years ago ...
syn
Outcall
This is totally true...
THE CLIENT CANNOT BE CHARGED in an outcall situation unless you break the "communicating" in a public place law. Keep the conversation/arrangements within the "private" guidelines and nothing can go wrong. (Unless of course the cops want this client for other reasons -- they could determine HIS home to be a bawdy-house, but ONE outcall can't accomplish this).
The SP ALSO CAN'T BE CHARGED during OUTCALL if she follows the same guidelines.
The Agency, booker, refering sp or ANY OTHER 3RD PARTY including a friend of the client are still open to a variety of charges under the both the procuring and bawdy-house laws... But the obvious intention here is to prevent pimping and brothels, and legal excuses for 'pimps' claiming they were just 'helping a friend' or '"didn't know anything but time and $ were being exchanged."
This is totally true...
THE CLIENT CANNOT BE CHARGED in an outcall situation unless you break the "communicating" in a public place law. Keep the conversation/arrangements within the "private" guidelines and nothing can go wrong. (Unless of course the cops want this client for other reasons -- they could determine HIS home to be a bawdy-house, but ONE outcall can't accomplish this).
The SP ALSO CAN'T BE CHARGED during OUTCALL if she follows the same guidelines.
The Agency, booker, refering sp or ANY OTHER 3RD PARTY including a friend of the client are still open to a variety of charges under the both the procuring and bawdy-house laws... But the obvious intention here is to prevent pimping and brothels, and legal excuses for 'pimps' claiming they were just 'helping a friend' or '"didn't know anything but time and $ were being exchanged."
