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From: http://www.billmon.org/

"Today there are more than 80 Iraqi army battalions fighting the insurgency alongside our forces."

George W. Bush
Speech to National Endowment for Democracy
October 6, 2005

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"I'm encouraged by the increasing size and capability of the Iraqi security forces. Today they have more than 100 battalions operating throughout the country."

George W. Bush
Radio Address
October 1, 2005

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"Until a couple of weeks ago, [Gen. David] Petraeus was in charge of the U.S. effort to train and equip Iraqi forces. In perhaps the most detailed public account so far of the state of Iraq's forces he said 115 army combat and special police battalions were rated as being 'in the fight.'"

United Press International
Analysis: Training Iraqi army a slow process
October 6, 2005

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"We have more than a hundred Iraqi army and special police battalions participating with us in conducting counterinsurgency operations."

Gen George Casey
Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee
September 29, 2005

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"I think we have 86 Iraqi army battalions today that are operating with us."

Gen. Richard Myers
Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee
September 29, 2005

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"The 115 Iraqi army and special police battalions already declared battle ready . . . are still well short of the 185,000 troops a Pentagon spokesman recently cited for total Iraqi security forces."

Inside the Pentagon
Officers Worry Iraqi Army Will
Disintegrate After U.S. Draws Down
September 15, 2005

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Public statements by Bush Administration officials about the number of ISF personnel grew unrealistic a short time after the invasion, and soon skyrocketed out of control. By June 2004 . . . the Administration was claiming that over 200,000 ISF troops had been trained. This estimate . . . turned out to be the total number of people on the ISF payrolls, including administrative staff, deserters, and countless others unfit to fight. It also included over 70,000 Facilities Protection Service officers, which have been described as being similar to night watchmen, who had received only one week of training. The Administration was forced to revise its estimate downward to 95,000 within three months, a number which Pentagon documents later proved still to be an overly optimistic assessment.

Senate Democratic Policy Committee
Has the Bush Administration
Leveled With the American People
About the Readiness of Iraqi Security Forces?
September 12, 2005

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GEN. CASEY: We fully recognize that Iraqi armed forces will not have an independent capability for some time, because they don't have the institutional base to support them. And so Level 1, as you'll recall from the slide, that's what's got one battalion. And it's going to be a long time before . . .

SEN. MCCAIN: Used to be three. Now we've gone from three to one?

GEN. CASEY: Pardon me?

SEN. MCCAIN: It was three before.

GEN. CASEY: Right.

SEN. MCCAIN: The previous report was you had three battalions. Now we're down to one battalion.

GEN. CASEY: Right, and things change in the battalions. I mean, we're making assessments on personnel, on leadership, on training.

SEN. MCCAIN: And you . . .

GEN. CASEY: I mean, there are a lot of variables that are involved here, Senator.

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C'mon OTB, lange, truncy, raoger. Let's defend this bullsh*t.
 

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Defend what, there are thousands of troops that can fight with ours (the first several of your quotes) but very few / none that can fight on their own. I don't think the asshats kiiling their own people are helping much.

I'd suppose you'd say nows the time to run eh.

OTB
 

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onthebottom said:
Defend what, there are thousands of troops that can fight with ours (the first several of your quotes) but very few / none that can fight on their own. I don't think the asshats kiiling their own people are helping much.

I'd suppose you'd say nows the time to run eh.

OTB
I think the point was, how can the Bush administration say they will begin drawing down troops next year, when it is clear the Iraqis are nowhere near able to take over. After two years it seems reasonable to expect more than one battalion of 700 men ready to go. The Iraqis had a trained army before, not up to the US Army standards, but certainly we aren't starting from scratch here.
 

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No matter what you think of this war - if the US leaves before a stable government is established in Iraq, the whole region will fall into chaos
 

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Lies about Iraq??

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/11/opinion/11haykel.html

not sure if this falls under this thread, but i didn't wanted to start a new one. there are too many already.
Are the terrorists running out of steam in Iraq? it would make sense. If you look at the past figures of who is getting killed. Muslims outrank the "infidels" by a wide margin.
In general I support this trend :D , since that will keep the terrorists busy "over there", and leave us alone..for now.

I wonder when they are going to wake up, or will get so much "muslim pressure" that they will rethink there current targets.

Although their goal has been to create civil war conditions..who knows?? Any thoughts?
 
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langeweile said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/11/opinion/11haykel.html

not sure if this falls under this thread, but i didn't wanted to start a new one. there are too many already.
Are the terrorists running out of steam in Iraq? it would make sense. If you look at the past figures of who is getting killed. Muslims outrank the "infidels" by a wide margin.
In general I support this trend :D , since that will keep the terrorists busy "over there", and leave us alone..for now.

I wonder when they are going to wake up, or will get so much "muslim pressure" that they will rethink there current targets.

Although their goal has been to create civil war conditions..who knows?? Any thoughts?
How could this be Lange? The "facts" conveyed on this board clearly demonstrate that it is Americans who are engaged in the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians. I don't understand Lange, the "facts" splattered all over Terb clearly state that 39,000, wait no 100,000, wait no 150,000 Iraqi, wait no 500,000 innocent civilians have been slaughtered by American troops.

Fact is insurgents, terorrists and criminal elements have intentionally murdered 10's and 10's of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. Iraqi civilian deaths attributable to coalition forces indirect actions is less than 3000.
 

red

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I heard that Bagdad is not even the real capital city
 
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red said:
I heard that Bagdad is not even the real capital city
Can you cut and paste your info from an arcane and obscure blog and splatter it here onto Terb in order to lend "credibility" to your post? That's the standard operating procedure here.
 

red

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rogerstaubach said:
Can you cut and paste your info from an arcane and obscure blog and splatter it here onto Terb in order to lend "credibility" to your post? That's the standard operating procedure here.

thanks for the tip. I wouldn't know what to do if you weren't here. Would you be my mentor?
 

Asterix

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red said:
thanks for the tip. I wouldn't know what to do if you weren't here. Would you be my mentor?
You couldn't afford it. Going by his posts, his rates must be through the roof.
 

langeweile

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rogerstaubach said:
How could this be Lange? The "facts" conveyed on this board clearly demonstrate that it is Americans who are engaged in the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians. I don't understand Lange, the "facts" splattered all over Terb clearly state that 39,000, wait no 100,000, wait no 150,000 Iraqi, wait no 500,000 innocent civilians have been slaughtered by American troops.

Fact is insurgents, terorrists and criminal elements have intentionally murdered 10's and 10's of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. Iraqi civilian deaths attributable to coalition forces indirect actions is less than 3000.
Remember America is the the evil empire, with it's new Darth Vader..GWB... :rolleyes:
 

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There is an interesting article about a siezed Al Qaeda Letter. Part of the letter refers to the worries about muslim backlash because Abu Musab Zarqawi has been targeting fellow muslims to try to create a civil war to destabilize the area.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101101353_pf.html
 
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red said:
thanks for the tip. I wouldn't know what to do if you weren't here. Would you be my mentor?
I'll have to decline your offer Red, you're too radical for me. But, I believe TomPeepin is looking to sculpt another self-indulgent, ego-centric, satirist in his image. A humanistically-correct form of mockery is his goal. "I mock, therefore I am", is his mantra.
 
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