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I haven't seen my bus fare drop yet. But have seen the bus / tram break down to many times in TO.
 
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The rates should have dropped a long time ago, if normal market forces where in play. But we have a case of Freakeconmics with Sex work I believe so who knows?

1. Price Stickiness from Stigma

Unlike Uber rides or tomatoes, sex work doesn’t operate on a perfect free market. There’s:


  • Social risk.
  • Legal risk.
  • Emotional risk.

These risks create a premium—a kind of “hazard pay.” That keeps prices sticky even when supply rises.

2. Platform-Driven Inflation

OnlyFans, Fansly, etc. made the industry more visible but also more influencer-tiered. Many creators mimic the economics of luxury goods: branding over quantity.


High follower count = High price floor, regardless of actual demand.

3. Fragmented Markets, Not One Market

The industry’s so splintered—escorts, cam models, dommes, foot pic moguls, IRL, virtual, etc.—that one segment might be crashing while another is hyper-inflated. No unified pricing structure = chaos economy.

4. Emotional Economics

Some clients aren’t paying for sex—they’re paying for parasocial intimacy, kink-specific service, or even status access (i.e., being on a top-tier model’s radar). That keeps rates artificially high. Think of it as the Taylor Swift ticket pricing of desire.

5. Selective Exit from the Market

Experienced sex workers may raise rates during downturns, knowing it’ll reduce client volume but increase safety and sustainability. Newcomers often underprice—but burn out or vanish quickly.


It’s the Pareto Principle with a velvet rope: 20% make 80% of the money, and they control the pricing narrative.




During the Great Depression, some cities reported a rise in sex work and in prices, bizarrely. Why? A demand for “discretion” and “clean” girls created a luxury tier. Even in crisis, there’s always a market for high-end human connection.
 

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The rates should have dropped a long time ago, if normal market forces where in play. But we have a case of Freakeconmics with Sex work I believe so who knows?

1. Price Stickiness from Stigma

Unlike Uber rides or tomatoes, sex work doesn’t operate on a perfect free market. There’s:


  • Social risk.
  • Legal risk.
  • Emotional risk.

These risks create a premium—a kind of “hazard pay.” That keeps prices sticky even when supply rises.

2. Platform-Driven Inflation

OnlyFans, Fansly, etc. made the industry more visible but also more influencer-tiered. Many creators mimic the economics of luxury goods: branding over quantity.


High follower count = High price floor, regardless of actual demand.

3. Fragmented Markets, Not One Market

The industry’s so splintered—escorts, cam models, dommes, foot pic moguls, IRL, virtual, etc.—that one segment might be crashing while another is hyper-inflated. No unified pricing structure = chaos economy.

4. Emotional Economics

Some clients aren’t paying for sex—they’re paying for parasocial intimacy, kink-specific service, or even status access (i.e., being on a top-tier model’s radar). That keeps rates artificially high. Think of it as the Taylor Swift ticket pricing of desire.

5. Selective Exit from the Market

Experienced sex workers may raise rates during downturns, knowing it’ll reduce client volume but increase safety and sustainability. Newcomers often underprice—but burn out or vanish quickly.


It’s the Pareto Principle with a velvet rope: 20% make 80% of the money, and they control the pricing narrative.




During the Great Depression, some cities reported a rise in sex work and in prices, bizarrely. Why? A demand for “discretion” and “clean” girls created a luxury tier. Even in crisis, there’s always a market for high-end human connection.
Excellent post lad. Parasocial is a word I hadn’t heard but it makes sense.
 

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This has been argued before… economics says it “should”… reality/history says it won’t.

Sex work has evolved… there will ALWAYS be demand over supply. Yes there are providers who are seeing a slowdown due to everything from new talent, popularity of other providers and especially geographic expansion of agencies.

Providers turn to OF or the SB life when escorting/massage slows down for them. Some have an exit strategy. Some just stop. But look at EVERY agency, rosters get deeper, SP movement takes place… and there’s ALWAYS new talent.

There are agencies that offer promos, and some SP’s move to the lower tier. But baseline rates stay the same… or go up.

Do I want them to lower?!? Damn right I do!!!

Rant over!
 
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This has been argued before… economics says it “should”… reality/history says it won’t.

Sex work has evolved… there will ALWAYS be demand over supply. Yes there are providers who are seeing a slowdown due to everything from new talent, popularity of other providers and especially geographic expansion of agencies.

Providers turn to OF or the SB life when escorting/massage slows down for them. Some have an exit strategy. Some just stop. But look at EVERY agency, rosters get deeper, SP movement takes place… and there’s ALWAYS new talent.

There are agencies that offer promos, and some SP’s move to the lower tier. But baseline rates stay the same… or go up.

Do I want them to lower?!? Damn right I do!!!

Rant over!
I hope you guys are happy. You made me cry. Hmmm. Perhaps I should take the Escort Agency I dream about starting seriously. lol
 

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Excellent post lad. Parasocial is a word I hadn’t heard but it makes sense.
"Parasocial" is a 20th-century coinage, first formally defined in the 1950s by Horton and Wohl, who studied how people reacted to media figures (think: radio hosts, TV personalities, etc.). They described parasocial interactions as one-sided relationships, where one party extends emotional energy, interest, and time, and the other is completely unaware of their existence.
 
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"Parasocial" is a 20th-century coinage, first formally defined in the 1950s by Horton and Wohl, who studied how people reacted to media figures (think: radio hosts, TV personalities, etc.). They described parasocial interactions as one-sided relationships, where one party extends emotional energy, interest, and time, and the other is completely unaware of their existence.
Apparently i was using it wrong, as there are sub categorizes-

  • "Quasi-parasocial"
  • "Reciprocated parasociality"
if an oF girl actually chats with the client and interacts we get teh quasi-parasocial. They know you exist, but its performance. It should be noted that must OF girls at the top levels out source there communication (as so celebrities movie stars etc) like the lawyer who has there secretary buy all there birthday gifts for there freinds and family with no idea that the gift even happened.


As for being able to lower there prices, yes there a luxury good, so margins are high. They can certainly. Some will in some form or another. Like a movie star moving from a lead role in a movie to a lesser role, the cash is still good. It just wont go down as much as the standard economic model would have happen. More likely another sub segment that more econmically will rise up, like OF during the pandemic.
 
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The rates should have dropped a long time ago, if normal market forces where in play. But we have a case of Freakeconmics with Sex work I believe so who knows?

1. Price Stickiness from Stigma

Unlike Uber rides or tomatoes, sex work doesn’t operate on a perfect free market. There’s:


  • Social risk.
  • Legal risk.
  • Emotional risk.

These risks create a premium—a kind of “hazard pay.” That keeps prices sticky even when supply rises.

2. Platform-Driven Inflation

OnlyFans, Fansly, etc. made the industry more visible but also more influencer-tiered. Many creators mimic the economics of luxury goods: branding over quantity.


High follower count = High price floor, regardless of actual demand.

3. Fragmented Markets, Not One Market

The industry’s so splintered—escorts, cam models, dommes, foot pic moguls, IRL, virtual, etc.—that one segment might be crashing while another is hyper-inflated. No unified pricing structure = chaos economy.

4. Emotional Economics

Some clients aren’t paying for sex—they’re paying for parasocial intimacy, kink-specific service, or even status access (i.e., being on a top-tier model’s radar). That keeps rates artificially high. Think of it as the Taylor Swift ticket pricing of desire.

5. Selective Exit from the Market

Experienced sex workers may raise rates during downturns, knowing it’ll reduce client volume but increase safety and sustainability. Newcomers often underprice—but burn out or vanish quickly.


It’s the Pareto Principle with a velvet rope: 20% make 80% of the money, and they control the pricing narrative.




During the Great Depression, some cities reported a rise in sex work and in prices, bizarrely. Why? A demand for “discretion” and “clean” girls created a luxury tier. Even in crisis, there’s always a market for high-end human connection.
Quite an excellent analysis.

Better than many Microeconomic textbooks.

I do think it is important to analyze how we feel about most of the ladies we discuss and review here.

To most of us, they are not just service providers, they are in fact personal service providers.

Service prices don’t fall much, if any, in a recession. To be more specific, personal and professional services often don’t fall at all.

Understanding sex workers and Johns isn’t exactly the forte of writers for Business Insider, a publication that doesn’t pay well.

And in fairness, for many, c*nt is a commodity, and prices for commodities do in fact fall during a recession, and so will the rates for LeoList providers, strippers, and massage parlor ladies. So the Business Insider author isn’t entirely wrong. The author doesn’t understand that some commercial sex transactions involve DFK, DATY, and a discussion of life events for both parties since the last sexual intercourse event. While other commercial sex transactions barely involve each party knowing the other party’s name.

And the author may have understood these Econ. 401 issues, but the editor chopped it all out and said to emphasize that Sunshine at the strip joint lowered her lap dance prices. The common person doesn’t want to view sex workers as personal service providers.
 
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If anything, I’ve seen rates for a few girls rise recently lol
 

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Quite an excellent analysis.

Better than many Microeconomic textbooks.

I do think it is important to analyze how we feel about most of the ladies we discuss and review here.

To most of us, they are not just service providers, they are in fact personal service providers.

Service prices don’t fall much, if any, in a recession. To be more specific, personal and professional services often don’t fall at all.

Understanding sex workers and Johns isn’t exactly the forte of writers for Business Insider, a publication that doesn’t pay well.

And in fairness, for many, c*nt is a commodity, and prices for commodities do in fact fall during a recession, and so will the rates for LeoList providers, strippers, and massage parlor ladies. So the Business Insider author isn’t entirely wrong. The author doesn’t understand that some commercial sex transactions involve DFK, DATY, and a discussion of life events for both parties since the last sexual intercourse event. While other commercial sex transactions barely involve each party knowing the other party’s name.

And the author may have understood these Econ. 401 issues, but the editor chopped it all out and said to emphasize that Sunshine at the strip joint lowered her lap dance prices. The common person doesn’t want to view sex workers as personal service providers.
I can not comment on the article itself, as its behind a paywall. While interested I am not that interested. I suspect since the conclusions are doubtful that the author was missing key points which you described. That being said, even for people IN the industry the information we have is spotty at best. False tax returns, no taxes at all, market considerations over truthfulness, ego etc. Its like asking an SW on your performance, your not going to get a unbiased answer AND that not the nature of the service. There is a escort/sex academic around the forums who pops up every so often and I suspect she has the best data but shes one person in one subsection of one market.
 

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I can not comment on the article itself, as its behind a paywall. While interested I am not that interested.
I use Brave Browser and it didn't give me an issue.
 

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Only way I see rates go down is when we have AI sex robot feel and act like the real thing

Apparently bots are more expensive than the real thing. Canada is guilty from its own success. Lake Nevada.
 
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