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Mark Carney’s climate inaction is at odds with his awareness of climate change’s existential threat

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Mark Carney has long been recognized as an authority on climate change. In 2015, as the governor of the Bank of England, he gave his famous “tragedy of the horizon” speech that introduced climate change to bankers as a threat to international financial stability.

In an interview shortly after he was appointed UN Special Envoy on Climate Action and Finance in 2019, Carney described climate change as “the world’s greatest existential threat.”

Carney’s efforts to deal with the American-driven upheaval of the international order are critically important: strengthening the domestic economy by building international trade and security relationships. But climate doesn’t seem to be a priority for the prime minister.

His first actions cast seeds of doubt, including repealing the consumer carbon tax, delaying the implementation of the electric vehicle mandate on auto producers and the possible removal of the federal government’s emissions cap on petroleum producers.

The Carney government’s first five “nation-building” projects under review by its Major Projects Office included the doubling of production of a liquified natural gas facility in Kitimat, B.C.

It also included building small modular reactors (SMRs) at the Darlington, Ont., nuclear power generating plant. Apart from risks associated with its construction, it can take many years before SMRs can become fully operational, meaning they’re unlikely to play a significant role in reducing carbon emissions.

Under consideration for a second round of projects is carbon capture, utilization and storage (CCUS) proposal from Pathways Alliance, a consortium of oilsands companies. The industry claims the project will allow the continued expansion of so-called decarbonized oilsands bitumen and natural gas.


But an Oxford University study concluded that regarding CCUS “as a way to compensate for ongoing fossil fuel burning is economically illiterate.”


In fact, the very term “decarbonized oil and gas” has been denounced as a falsehood by the co-chair of the federal Net-Zero Advisory Body (NZAB), climate scientist Simon Donner.

Canada’s GHG emissions reductions

Canada is the world’s 11th largest emitter of CO2 and the second largest emitter on a per capita basis.


Canada’s Nationally Determined Contributions (NDC) represent its commitment under the Paris Agreement to reduce emissions by 45 to 50 per cent below 2005 levels by 2035, building on its emissions’ reduction plan of 40 to 45 per cent by 2030.


A report from Canada’s Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development found emissions have declined by just 7.1 per cent since 2005.


The fossil fuel industry has essentially guaranteed that Canada’s 2030 reduction targets will not be met due mainly to continued increases in oilsands production, now accounting for 31 per cent of the total Canadian emissions.


The 2025 climate change performance index ranks Canada among the worst — 62nd out of 67 countries — for its overall climate change performance, which involves a combination of emissions, renewable energy, energy use and policy.

Legal consequences

Canada’s commitment to reach net-zero by 2050 is codified by the Canadian Net-Zero Emissions Accountability Act. The federal government could be held liable for failing to meet the 2050 net-zero target. But the act doesn’t include a legal commitment to meet its interim targets.


Numerous climate litigation cases against governments and corporations are underway in Canada.


In Ontario, a lawsuit brought by seven young applicants is claiming the provincial government’s weakened carbon emissions reduction targets are forcing them to bear the brunt of future climate impacts. They argue their rights to life and security of the person under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms are under threat.


In response to a case initiated by climate-vulnerable small Pacific island states, the International Court of Justice issued an advisory opinion in July on state obligations on climate change. It ruled that the 1.5C Paris Agreement target is legally binding on states.


It ruled that failure to take appropriate measures to prevent foreseeable harm — including through allowing new fossil fuel production projects, granting fossil fuel subsidies or inadequate regulation — can constitute a breach of international law.


The ICJ also confirmed that states violating their international obligations can face a full range of legal consequences under the law of state responsibility.

Where is Carney?

Heatwaves, hurricanes, floods, droughts, wildfires, rising sea levels, growing ocean acidity and biodiversity loss are ravaging the planet, causing starvation, sickness and death.


The world is on track to exceed the 1.5C Paris Agreement warming limit with temperatures set to rise by more than 3C beyond the pre-industrial average. Canada’s climate is warming at twice the global average.


Yet Carney is avoiding answering whether Canada will meet its 2030 Paris Agreement target. His attendance at the upcoming COP30 Climate Summit in Brazil has not been confirmed, and he unexpectedly withdrew from the UN Secretary General’s recent climate summit — all of which suggests he’s not prioritizing climate action.


In this disturbing development, it’s worth noting the late Jane Goodall’s remarks about hope in her The Book of Hope: A Survival Guide for Trying Times:


“People tend to think that hope is simply passive wishful thinking: ‘I hope something will happen but I’m not going to do anything about it.’ This is indeed the opposite of real hope, which requires action and engagement.”
 

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I was always voting for Conservatives, but Carney may be just the right person for Canada. With liberals moving too far left, he is bringing the party back to where it was initially, and he may get some conservative voters switching to Liberals. If only he would be able to balance the budget... It is a hard job given what Trudeau did with the country, but we will see in two years. If he will be able to reduce the budget deficit and continue to gradually dismiss the ridiculously expensive but low-effective radical left policies (does anyone really think that Canada's environmental efforts have any significant effect on the environment?), he may be a great PM. If not, he will lose the newly acquired trust of the central voters who will go back to the Conservatives.
 

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(does anyone really think that Canada's environmental efforts have any significant effect on the environment?).........................
Explain that to Carney and advocates of the Liberals'
pledge to meet the net-zero emission targets . They
may be enlightened but
will loose votes from the nation's climate sheeple voters
which comprise a majority of supporters of the Liberals.
 
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Explain that to Carney and advocates of the Liberals'
pledge to meet the net-zero emission targets . They
may be enlightened but
will loose votes from the nation's climate sheeple voters
which comprise a majority of supporters of the Liberals.
What will these climate-fools do? Vote for NDP? NDP is dead. For Greens? Maybe the most idiotic ones who do not care that their votes are wasted. No, with a huge shift to the right Liberals will not lose much of their left-most votes - there is no one to lose them to. But they will pick up lots of the moderate right votes - the once they got from the scary tactic during the last election who may now want to stay with them because of the policy change. With most parties in the world going in extreme directions, moving toward the center was the smartest thing Liberals did. I just wish Conservatives would have done the same instead of trying to borrow some stupid things from the NDP's arsenal
 
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What will these climate-fools do? Vote for NDP? NDP is dead. For Greens? Maybe the most idiotic ones who do not care that their votes are wasted. No, with a huge shift to the right Liberals will not lose much of their left-most votes - there is no one to lose them to. But they will pick up lots of the moderate right votes - the once they got from the scary tactic during the last election who may now want to stay with them because of the policy change. With most parties in the world going in extreme directions, moving toward the center was the smartest thing Liberals did. I just wish Conservatives would have done the same instead of trying to borrow some stupid things from the NDP's arsenal
Lib/NDP minority.

Bring back the EV and heat pump credits.
Subsidize storage, renewable generation and charging stations.

Like Norway did, where its over 90% EV sales now.
 

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Ah, the shitty tipper argument.
The 'I only had one beer so don't need to tip' argument.
The 'I don't have to do my fair share because I'm tiny' argument.

Yes, so, what is wrong with this argument? Tipping is fine if it is a cultural norm and if everyone is doing it. If you are the only one tipping (e.g., go to China and tip 20% in restaurants), then it is just stupid).
 
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Lib/NDP minority.

Bring back the EV and heat pump credits.
Subsidize storage, renewable generation and charging stations.

Like Norway did, where its over 90% EV sales now.
We've been the only reason Liberals avoided the huge defeat is because of the Trump. So, a world of gratitude from Liberals to Trump for saving their ass is in order. But Trump's help was temporary. To appeal to average Canadians, Liberals should drop NDP and move back to the center, and this is what they are doing. It seems they are learning from their mistakes
 

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Yes, so, what is wrong with this argument? Tipping is fine if it is a cultural norm and if everyone is doing it. If you are the only one tipping (e.g., go to China and tip 20% in restaurants), then it is just stupid).
Its the idea that because you think we are a small part of the global community there is no need for us to do our fair share.
But then the idea of 'fair share' is anathema to conservatives, as is community or selflessness.
 

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We've been the only reason Liberals avoided the huge defeat is because of the Trump. So, a world of gratitude from Liberals to Trump for saving their ass is in order. But Trump's help was temporary. To appeal to average Canadians, Liberals should drop NDP and move back to the center, and this is what they are doing. It seems they are learning from their mistakes
The lib/NDP government was popular and successful.
Carney still doesn't have a majority.

The only ones that were rejected were the cons.
 

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Its the idea that because you think we are a small part of the global community there is no need for us to do our fair share.
But then the idea of 'fair share' is anathema to conservatives, as is community or selflessness.
So again, what is wrong with it?
 
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The lib/NDP government was popular and successful.
Carney still doesn't have a majority.

The only ones that were rejected were the cons.
Are you able to read and comprehend what you read? Before the help from Trump, Conservatives had a huge lead in the polls. Liberals were able to play on Canadians' fear and irrationality and won the last election purely on the Trump's effect. But this effect will not last long, so, to prevent the past repeating itself, they moved to the right. Good news for most Canadians, bad news for left and right radicals. Conservatives had moved to the left long time ago, so, now we have two centrist parties: one is slightly left, one is slightly right. Kudos to Liberals for seizing the moment.
 
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Are you able to read and comprehend what you read? Before the help from Trump, Conservatives had a huge lead in the polls. Liberals were able to play on Canadians' fear and irrationality and won the last election purely on the Trump's effect. But this effect will not last long, so, to prevent the past repeating itself, they moved to the right. Good news for most Canadians, bad news for left and right radicals. Conservatives had moved to the left long time ago, so, now we have two centrist parties: one is slightly left, one is slightly right. Kudos to Liberals for seizing the moment.
How many elections have the conservatives lost in a row now?
How can you say their ideas are popular if they can't win an election?

Carney campaigned on the left and is moving to the right in office.
He knew he couldn't win backing austerity.
 

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How many elections have the conservatives lost in a row now?
How can you say their ideas are popular if they can't win an election?

Carney campaigned on the left and is moving to the right in office.
He knew he couldn't win backing austerity.
OK, it is confirmed: no reading comprehension. Sorry, it was fun at first, but now it is becoming boring. Will go find better entertainment.
 
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Am sure this is just alarmist rhetoric.
4B dead people by 2050 - in 25 years would be an extinction level event.
It isn't reasonable to even speculate that is going to happen.
4ºC is extinction level.
3ºC is likely 4 billion dead
2ºC is likely around 2 billion killed

There is a big debate between the climatologists who see accelerated warming and those who see it continuing as is. Hansen argues we will hit 3ºC around 2050 or so, Mann thinks it will be 20 years or so later. This German paper argues the death totals.


We are hitting tipping points that is speeding up warming along with changes like taking sulphur out of shipping fuel and more sunlight hitting the surface.



 
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