Melbourne University advertises female-only jobs in bid to remedy gender imbalance...

[canada-man]

next on the war on men



Diane Smith-Gander: “Men will have to lose jobs to make way for gender equality”

http://www.smh.com.au/business/work...fields-diane-smithgander-20151013-gk7kzt.html



The University of Melbourne has taken the extraordinary step of opening up jobs to female applicants only in an attempt to a drive change in the male-dominated area of mathematic academia.

Only about a quarter of all mathematics academics in Australia are female, and the university is now advertising three positions in its School of Mathematics and Statistics for female applicants only.

It is believed to be the first time it has limited applications to women only for permanent academic positions.
The jobs, in pure mathematics, applied mathematics and statistics, may range in level from lecturer, to senior lecturer, to associate professor, depending on the candidate's experience.

The head of the School of Mathematics and Statistics, Professor Aleks Owczarek, said the decision had been taken to promote change.
"We clearly have an issue with attracting female applicants appropriately to our workforce," Professor Owczarek said.
"So this is an agenda to attempt to address that."

http://archive.is/mObRr#selection-1217.0-1241.50


it would be a shame if enrollment at the University of Melbourne decline after this

 

[fuji]

Seems like a good move. In my experience women excel in hard sciences, engineering, and technology jobs but yet many are somehow persuaded to do something else.

Hey CM this will really piss you off:

When I have a strong female new hire in my organization I actively give her the best assignments and work hard to accelerate her promotion through the ranks. I openly talk to other managers in my company about my plans to accelerate her career. We collectively create a plan to move her up.

 

[nobody123]

When I have a strong female new hire in my organization I actively give her the best assignments and work hard to accelerate her promotion through the ranks. I openly talk to other managers in my company about my plans to accelerate her career. We collectively create a plan to move her up.

That's horrifying! Completely unfair, and offering advantages that have historically NEVER been offered to men in any way shape or form. Plus, she'll never really be considered "one of the boys", no matter how far you promote her.

 

[fuji]

That's horrifying! Completely unfair, and offering advantages that have historically NEVER been offered to men in any way shape or form. Plus, she'll never really be considered "one of the boys", no matter how far you promote her.

No, she'll wind up managing the boys .

And you are wrong. Historically positions have been offered to men exclusively.

 

[Occasionally]

Pretty weird when an organization has to force themselves to pick sides when hiring. Especially publicly stating so. And the government too. The organization that creates laws to do away with as much discrimination as possible, yet does it themselves.

What a surprise.

As for the skewed results in math in favour of men vs. women. Did anyone ever think not all jobs are created equal, men and women prefer different things in life, and trying to shoehorn someone to fit a mold looks stupid?

Who knew that in the field of mathematics that gender plays a big role in quality of teaching and work......

...... I'm assuming that's why they are trying to force in more female hires. By adding more women, it's create that politically correct magic where 1 man + 1 women, or 1 white + 1 black automatically means higher quality, vs. picking two people of similar appearance, but have better qualifications.

Since it's Australia, I've never been there, but I'll assume most people there are either White or Asian (since that region is close to Aussie), with few Latinos, East Indians and Blacks.

So if that Melbourne school is going to balance out genders, shouldn't they also balance out race too? Sounds pretty prejudice if the school is mostly White professors.

 

[Occasionally]

When I have a strong female new hire in my organization I actively give her the best assignments and work hard to accelerate her promotion through the ranks. I openly talk to other managers in my company about my plans to accelerate her career. We collectively create a plan to move her up.

No, she'll wind up managing the boys .

And you are wrong. Historically positions have been offered to men exclusively.

Man or women, doesn't matter.

People aren't stupid. Anyone being obviously groomed to move up the ranks despite not being qualified to do so will never get the respect of the subordinates. On the other hand, great bosses who deserve to be there are loved by his or her people. And their bosses won't get respect either because it obviously shows there's some funny business going on. Examples include: the university grads all some reason being hot looking (pervy boss), a boss hiring someone from his old company and moving him up the ranks fast (old boys club boss), and being an ass in employee assessment meetings with senior leadership where they are bias in favour of their team (tunnel vision boss), while every other team is somehow an idiot.... but somehow every person on his/her team is the best employee ever deserving 10/10 (the whiny protect-my-own-ass boss).

You shouldn't brag too much about moving up someone due to personal agendas. Labour laws are in favour of the people, and all it takes is that unqualified person you are zooming up the ladder to piss people off, and you'll be getting HR calls, and labour lawyers coming at your company.

I've seen it myself many times. You got pissed off Employee going to HR. HR gets hold of Manager. Manager gets hold of Higher Level Manager. Tries to be kept on the down low, but it now involves a lawsuit, so VP has to know and so does corporate lawyers. A big clusterfuck. And then for proof or witnesses, other employees get called in. So an even bigger circus.

And if push comes to shove, the company always caves in. So after all the smoke and mirrors, I've yet to see a company hold firm and play hardball. They always cave in. They'll give the employee a nice payout to leave. They will take it and move on to another company. And every time, they still come back and sue the company for an even bigger payout.

What people on the fringe are looking for is a good reason to get bought out. Having unqualified bosses helps their cause.

A great boss keeps a happy team of people. A shit boss, especially one that is being moved up the ranks for no good reason always leads to failure at some point.

The best time to see it is how fast people start leaving. And you always know who is a good boss? How? Because when that guy/gal leaves, a bunch of people follow him and join him. They'd rather jump ship and work for him/her in another company than stick around.

Considering your company historically only promoted men for that job, but now you are purposely moving up a woman for sake of balancing out shows your company is messed up with poor management.

 

[fuji]

As for the skewed results in math in favour of men vs. women. Did anyone ever think not all jobs are created equal, men and women prefer different things in life, and trying to shoehorn someone to fit a mold looks stupid?

I think we have created bullshit expectations for men and women that condition them to make these different choices and the efforts of this school, and my efforts, reset those bullshit expectations.

When sexism is ingrained that deeply into the culture, to the point where women themselves internalize it, then changing it takes converted effort.

The fact is that women make excellent engineers.

 

[Occasionally]

I think we have created bullshit expectations for men and women that condition them to make these different choices and the efforts of this school, and my efforts, reset those bullshit expectations.

When sexism is ingrained that deeply into the culture, to the point where women themselves internalize it, then changing it takes converted effort.

The fact is that women make excellent engineers.

There may be things in the world that may influence someone to act more masculine or feminine, but the inherent nature of people is still different. No different than most animals. Males and females not only have physical differences, but mentality are different too.

Women are generally more motherly with kids, and always seem more interested in arts/sociology type programs. While every engineering and IT type program has more guys. There's always a disproportionate number of women working in medical jobs, while something like carpentry and auto mechanics are almost all men.

As for resetting bullshit expectations, here's a tip:

Instead of purposely hiring men exclusively in the past (as you admitted), or now purposely hiring women and moving her up the ranks asap, how about just hiring/promoting the person who seems best qualified for the job?

 

[fuji]

Anyone being obviously groomed to move up the ranks despite not being qualified

They are qualified, and particularly because I invest in their development, better qualified than anybody else. Becoming the best is a combination of innate ability, motivation, and opportunity. When I find a female employee who has the first two traits, I double down to ensure she gets the opportunities to develop her abilities and become top tier.

She gets the best opportunities, the flagship assignments that give people a chance to learn a ton and show what they are capable of. When I'm done she is way better than her peers because she learned things they didn't. So then she's the best qualified, and everyone knows it.

You got pissed off Employee going to HR. HR gets hold of Manager. Manager gets hold of Higher Level Manager. Tries to be kept on the down low, but it now involves a lawsuit, so VP has to know and so does corporate lawyers.

I discuss my plans with HR on a regular basis. HR is pleased. I put my plans to develop my people in writing and review the plans with HR and top management. We're all on the same page.

 

[Occasionally]

They are qualified, and particularly because I invest in their development, better qualified than anybody else. Becoming qualified is a combination of innate ability, motivation, and opportunity. When I find a female employee who has the first two traits, I double down to ensure she gets the opportunities to develop her abilities and become top tier. Those are usually the best opportunities, the flagship projects that give people a chance to learn a ton and show what they are capable of.

With what you've written in the previous posts, giving a new hire the best assignments and purposely working hard to move her up the ranks is favouritism. As I said, it's like those perverted bosses hiring new grads, who somehow are all good looking, even though you can tell they aren't the smartest grads in the world.

Nothing wrong with mentoring or helping out employees. But if you were a good boss, you'd stress your skills to help out any employee (man or woman) that shows good potential, and not just the woman. And an even better boss would use his leadership skills to help grow other employees.

A good boss doesn't just rise one ship. A good boss tries to rise all ships under his command.

I discuss my plans with HR on a regular basis. HR is pleased.

First, you said your company exclusively hired men. Now you're taking an active part purposely moving women up the ladder.

So much for hiring/promoting the best candidates.

Hiring managers and HR working together to hire based on gender. Sure sounds like a great place to work at.

Consider your company lucky. If it hasn't already happened yet, your company is ripe for a labour lawsuit.

 

[fuji]

With what you've written in the previous posts, giving a new hire the best assignments and purposely working hard to move her up the ranks is favouritism.

Absolutely. It's not personal. These are not my friends. But when I encounter a female employee who has the potential to be the best, I absolutely prioritize her career development.

First, you said your company exclusively hired men.

I didn't say that. Maybe I wasn't clear: in the past we as a society have denied opportunities to women and exclusively hired men. Not my company today.

The result is a set of cultural biased about what women should do that are internalized even by many women. Hence the importance of prioritizing the advancement of women into roles that haven't traditionally been seen as women's work.

I would point out again the development aspect here: people grow in their jobs. A fresh hire straight out of college isn't management materiel. Not yet. But if they have the potential and you give them the right assignments you can get them there in a few years.

Part of my job is to decide who to invest in, meaning, who gets the big assignments that teach you what it's all about and give you the chance to be noticed and grow. Obviously you want to give those assignments to your brightest, but I do fast track any bright young women by getting them into the good opportunities.

Hiring managers and HR working together to hire based on gender. Sure sounds like a great place to work at.

Yup! It's fantastic.

And I fully support what that university is doing. Female students will these women faculty and it will help change their perception of what they could do.

 

[Occasionally]

Absolutely. It's not personal. These are not my friends. But when I encounter a female employee who has the potential to be the best, I absolutely prioritize her career development.



I didn't say that. Maybe I wasn't clear: in the past we as a society have denied opportunities to women and exclusively hired men. Not my company today.

The result is a set of cultural biased about what women should do that are internalized even by many women. Hence the importance of prioritizing the advancement of women into roles that haven't traditionally been seen as women's work.

I would point out again the development aspect here: people grow in their jobs. A fresh hire straight out of college isn't management materiel. Not yet. But if they have the potential and you give them the right assignments you can get them there in a few years.

Part of my job is to decide who to invest in, meaning, who gets the big assignments that teach you what it's all about and give you the chance to be noticed and grow. Obviously you want to give those assignments to your brightest, but I do fast track any bright young women by getting them into the good opportunities.



Yup! It's fantastic.

And I fully support what that university is doing. Female students will these women faculty and it will help change their perception of what they could do.

I guess that's where you and I differ. Because I'm a boss too.

While you prefer to play games with HR hiring based on gender, and focusing the best tasks to your new pet project, I prefer to have a wider scope of leadership.

That involves both men and women, various tasks, and not only having them do their tasks well (their core tasks), but to grow all of their skills over time.

A good leader doesn't discriminate jobs and duties based on gender.

 

[fuji]

I guess that's where you and I differ. Because I'm a boss too.

While you prefer to play games with HR hiring based on gender, and focusing the best tasks to your new pet project, I prefer to have a wider scope of leadership.

That involves both men and women, various tasks, and not only having them do their tasks well (their core tasks), but to grow all of their skills over time.

A good leader doesn't discriminate jobs and duties based on gender.

Except if you are managing people in a traditionally male field, by not prioritizing the development of your minority of female employees you ARE implicitly discriminating based on gender because you are playing along with a rigged system.

 

[escortsxxx]

We could clean up our Police force if we only allowed 100% women promotions and hires. NO MORE PROMOTIONS FOR MALES in the police force!

 

[canada-man]

a fun fact: early feminists were members of the Klu Klux Klan.

https://www.amazon.com/Women-Klan-Foundations-Modern-Feminism-ebook/dp/B00OYA0TY4

Women of the Klan: Foundations of Modern Feminism
by John Davis BA JD LlM (Author)

 

[FAST]

WOW, the job market in the US is worse than I though.

A so called "manager" can show favoritism to a single employee based on sex, and not be concerned about its other employees reacting negatively.

I see possible new union in the making.

Dumb management, gets the union it deserves.

FAST

 

[FAST]

We could clean up our Police force if we only allowed 100% women promotions and hires. NO MORE PROMOTIONS FOR MALES in the police force!

Cool, more fun and games with hand cuffs.:biggrin:

FAST

 

[fuji]

A so called "manager" can show favoritism to a single employee based on sex, and not be concerned about its other employees reacting negatively.

I always show "favoritism" to my top talent.

 

[IM469]

NP. I'll get my favorite dress and apply as a transgender ! Later on I'll show up as a trans-transgender in pants !

 

[fuji]

NP. I'll get my favorite dress and apply as a transgender !

I bet you will!