Misconceptions about Perb

[Poseidon]

There are some posters on Terb that think Perb has many cave mongers, and dim-witted posters. And many think that we are all misogynists. I can tell you that this is far from the truth and we welcome Terb members with open arms. There are many good intelligent contributors on Perb and you will get the occasional dumb / misogynist comment but which board doesn’t? I think the east and west ideas has its conflicts but shouldn’t we put regional differences aside and make our peace. Terberts and Perberts unite!!! After all, we are all good and friendly Canadians Eh? Let’s enjoy each other's company and share our ideas.

Perb ambassador,
Poseidon

 

[WhOiSyOdAdDy?]

Re: Misconception about Perb

I can tell you that this is far from the truth and we welcome Terb members with open arms

I tried to join PERB.. and it seems my membership was denied

 

[Kev]

Re: Re: Misconception about Perb

I tried to join PERB.. and it seems my membership was denied

Good the MODs are doing there job.

Just kidding. --- Kev

 

[sexxxygirl]

Hi kev! so this is where you've been hiding....Wow the colors here are strange...kind of like 1930 movies compared to now as compared to Perb.


Terb is HUGE....Looks like I should make a trip to toronto sometime...

 

[sexxxygirl]

Wow I am glad to hear that Pallydin.


Perb was my first review board experience and I thought everywhere was like that.

reddog calling everyone ho's and hamster saying how disgusting ho's are with flaps(lips), hitrack saying he just throws his leftover streetwalkers on a pile and on and on......

I think i'll be spending more time over here

 

[sexxxygirl]

Don't get me wrong. PERB has many things RIGHT with it as well. Posideon and Kev are only two of many who defend the ladies. It is a case of a few really rotten apples.......Surely you have some loonietunes here barely toeing the line?

BTW was is the average rate for an independent 30 min incall/outcall in TO? Westcoast is incall $150ish/outcall $200sh

 

[Kev]

Re: Re: Misconceptions about Perb

You're right that every board has them but nobody on PERB cares to speak up when it happens, so all bear responsibility in their own way (sorta like the Vatican being silent during WWII is grounds for condemnation today). The apathy to the dehumanizing treatment of women on PERB is truly grotesque and it is sad because I agree there are many contributors worth reading on PERB but it really isn't worth the hassle anymore to sift through all the garbage to get to it.

No completely true Pally.... I spoke up about the treatment of the ladies, and others did too. It wasn't favourable at the time, and we took flack for it. As MOD for a short stint i tried to welcome SPs to board and allow them there say. But when you are really powerless whats the point. The criticisim or PERB is really about only a handful of members. Its amazing that a small few can really ruin things. The attacks against the women these days is few and far between. There are incidents "sure" but not like a couple of months ago. Maybe i had something to do about that. The bottom line is the powers that run TERB, also run PERB. I feel PERB is a direct reflection of the west coast, east coast. The west coast is sort of out of the way so who really cares whats going on. I have to admit i am tired of the posting nature of some on PERB, but i'm not convinced TERB is any better, for other reasons. It would be interesting to start some threads on PERB that you have on TERB. "Whats the best toothpaste?" I can hear it now "oh the humanity." --- Kev

 

[Alucard]

perb ???

 

[SirLickheralot]

Re: Re: Misconceptions about Perb

Being perhaps one of the more prolific posters on PERB from TERB, I can say that I have never seen that be portrayed as the case. The problem is that the majority of high profile posters on PERB are misogynists and hatemongers, and the moderators of that board appear to protect these people while picking on others for comparatively minor infractions.

I've been following TERB since before PERB even existed and I've been following PERB since day 1. To say that the majority of PERB posters are misogynists and hatemongers is a gross generalization and unfair to most of the people there.

If most of the posters hate women so much why is it that in recent months the number of high profile female posters has increased dramatically. Why is it that more SPs than ever have chosen to become paid contributors.

In the past the only SP that chose to post on a regular basis and be a paid contributor was Gina Lee. Now we have Gina Lee, Julia, Alexandria, Paige Adams, Saffire, Victoria Lee, M6233, Massagegirl who all have a significant presence on the board and a number of others who choose to contribute if somewhat less often(Sorry if I forgot anyone). From what I've seen these woman have been welcomed with open arms and are very popular posters.

So Pallydin if as you say PERB is so hostile to woman why don't you provide some links showing these woman being attacked by the majority of the high profile poster on PERB.

To be fair there have been a couple female posters that are now gone who weren't always very popular but that had more to do with their attitude and posting style than the fact they were female. The one female poster who was banned was just as unpopular with female posters as male posters. The other female poster who likes to bad-mouth PERB on other review boards every chance she gets is so bitter and angry that even the female posters on PERB don't have any sympathy for her. If I recall one recently refered to her as a bitter drama queen. If your a woman and neither men or women like you the problem isn't misogyny, the problem is you.

 

[SirLickheralot]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Misconceptions about Perb

That's why I said high profile posters.....there's a difference, so please don't misquote me.



You're kidding, right? There was no choice for the women to become contributors, you either did it or you ceased to exist on PERB. Or do you forget the months spent implementing all that?



Yeah.....so long as they grin and bear the mistreatment. A prime example is one poster threatening an SP (one of your list of high profile SPs) with violence in a posting and it was just ignored.

Okay even limiting your claim to high profile posters is a gross generalization and Unfair. Most of the high profile posters converse with and get along quite well with the SPs on PERB. Threads started by or with participation by female members receive far more response than most other threads, the vast majority of which is positive.

Since PERB is Freds board by saying if they didn't become paid members they would cease to exist you may as well acuse Fred of extortion which is untrue. Some SPs tried to advertise without paying and had threads deleted but there are several females who post regularily that aren't paid contributors. As long as they stick to the rules their posts are welcomed with open arms Victoria Lee and Massagegirl come to mind.

Provide a link of this threat that received no response. I posted once that if someone is threatened they should send the proof of the threats directly to the moderators and Fred. That way if the moderators don't respond Fred certainly can. If certain members haven't been banned perhaps it is because no credible proof of these threats exist. How credible would a board be if members could be banned based strictly on the accusations of another member without any proof to back these claims up.

The fact is that 3 of the top 20 posters and 4 of the top 25 posters on PERB are Female, ie 15-16%. This is a higher ratio of top female to male posters than here on TERB. If PERB is such a den of misogyny and hatemongering why do these and so many other other females chose to join PERB and become such frequent contributors. Do you really think they would spend so much of their free time posting on PERB and chating in the msn Perb chat room if there were as many reprehensible misogynists on PERB as you and OB would like to lead people to believe.

Ps I count myself as one of the many PERB members who enjoys reading the posts of our female posters and welcome them with open arms.

I think PERB would benefit from some tough loving from Sheik.....

PAL

PPS If Sheik wants to come be a moderator, I'd be the first to welcome him.

 

[Fred Zed]

If this exodus continues, maybe we could force the reopening of the BC section here on TERB that was closed down when PERB opened. I have no doubts that if the PERB traffic was moderated by the TERB moderation team, the hassles that plague PERB would be non-existent.

Oh, and if you do leave PERB for TERB, be sure to post why you are leaving on PERB as apparently people like Poseidon have doubts that there are serious problems there unless people are more explicit about it.

PAL

This is just empty rhetoric. This guy ( went by PiL on PERB ) was banned for being rude and insulting to mods and other members on PERB. PiL, do you want me to post copies of your PMs to Mod 2 to prove it. ? And after you were banned you vowed to go on a PERB bashing campaign ?

Have you bothered to check the latest PERB stats ? There is no mass exodus from PERB. If anything, PERB`s November stats are the highest ever recorded on PERB. There are several new advertisers and more in the pipeline. https://perb.cc continues to grow at phenomenal rate and since it covers a large geographical area, by this time next year it will probably be one of the largest boards of it`s kind in North America. I am not aware of any complaints that were forwarded to PERB Mods that went unanswered.

If you are so fed up with PERB there is always the other Vancouver (Spam) Board for you to go to. However, rude or insulting behaviour will not be tolerated either here or on PERB.

 

[WestCoaster]

The thing about these boards is the requirement to take the good with the bad. The vast majority of posters on TERB and PERB alike are friendly, good hearted folk with no axe to grind, just a desire to share information and get the most from the Hobby.

The small percentage of idiots, flame artists, women-haters, men-haters, spam artists and plain morons simply need to be rooted out, banned and left to pollute TBD or other less worthy places.

Fred and the mods do a good job of it - we recently nipped a major war in the bud over at PERB. If they ever want any help, all they have to do is ask and many of us would be willing to lend a hand.

 

[Poseidon]

Well said Fred Zed,

Your comments show that the detractors of Perb are completely wrong and that whining members that had nothing to contribute to the board were kicked out. It's good that moderators are doing their jobs.

 

[Fred Zed]

Actually, I got banned for being critical of the moderation because
PAL

You were not banned for being critical of moderation. You were rude and insulting to other members and when Mod 2 asked you to cut it out you insulted him as well. I have the PMs
to prove it (as well as the one in which you bragged about how you would bash PERB via your 'numerous' handles/IPs.)
If I couldn't handle criticism I would banned you from TERB by now, and called up the ISPs from which you are posting.

 

[blowhard]

Pallydin is Pil????

We on PERB miss you so much Pil.....oh well our loss is TERBs gain...you can bore them with your overbearing rhetoric ad nauseum.

 

[Ophelia Black]

You know what? Having to think about all the crap with this particular individual again just is not worth it. I've deleted the post.

I am curious, though, about two things - just out of total self-interest, whether that seems threatening to you or not, does a senior member getting caught posting a fake review not concern you at all? And why did you make him more recognizable by posting his initials? I think Fred does what he can, but members also have a responsibility to protect their board's credibility and reputation.

And as you well know, or should if you are going to post about it, the example I chose was part of a larger pattern of intimidation.

All I know is that I feel pretty ridiculous telling a nice gent from Toronto, as he tips me $50, that I don't want him to post (in his words) a 'glowing review' on Perb.

Forgetting about the misogyny issue, how does that help other pooners? Review boards are supposed to be about reviews. I told the guy this because;

A. I didn't want him getting nailed having the audacity of reviewing someone a number of senior members don't like, and

B. I didn't want the guy the guy gang-flamed for the ever popular "new guys must be shills" nonsense.

If you look at the numbers, Terb has 88844 posts in the lounge, and (Toronto escorts only) 66069 reviews which compared to Perb numbers of 15834 lounge posts and 9486 (Vancouver escorts only) shows a lounge posts to review posts ratio of Terb of 74% versus a lounge post to review post ratio on Perb of 60%.
That's a difference of 14%. I'm no stats grad, but that strikes me as significant (and my math isn't so fabulous, so you might want to doublecheck the numbers)

Of course Terb is much bigger, and Perb is much newer, but this is a ratio comparison rather than a straight up numbers comparison, and as Perb is, as Fred rightly noticed, gaining a lot of new members, but I'm wondering why new members are not stepping up with reviews.

So this may well be not just an issue only about misogyny per se, but a more general problem with guys not wanting to risk getting jumped for being the new guy posting, or being specifically asked not to post a review by SPs.

Perb can get better, but not by ignoring stuff like this. It needs to make its overall tone less aggressive. It's your board - step up and make it better.

BTW, that same Toronto gent got ripped off earlier in the week by an "But $200 only covers me walking in the door" scamster, and I told him to go post THAT on Perb in the scam area. Why? because I see the larger picture and I know that a thieving SP will do more damage to local SPs than any amount of lounge chatter.

Believe it, or don't - I want Perb to get better, not flounder. It's a needed resource. But more Perb folk need to pay attention to its weaknesses rather than ignore them.

I apologize to those who found my posting style offensive. And I think we can all agree that any board has its problems. I also want to thank Poseidon for making this debate it's own thread, as I'm sure it has gotten the issue more exposure.

 

[SirLickheralot]

Senior Member


Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 509
Ha, you funny
Yaletown. Still wasn't great. Also, you need to be more subtle with your self promotion.

Will leave you alone, don't want anything to do with you to be honest. Been there, once burned - 'nuff for moi.

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Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 509
P.S.
If you were bankrupt, how come I have seen you in Urban Fare? Good choice of beverage BTW.

TTFN.

If being freaked out by crap like this being sent to me through the back channel makes me a 'drama queen', there is a problem.

This person was never banned.

Any board that deems the 2 pms you posted sufficient grounds for banning someone is going to run out of members rather quickly.

If you disliked HM so much you could have just placed him on your ignore list and never had to read his posts. Instead you decided that if things weren't handled your way, ie ban him because you don't like him, you would leave the board and trash PERB and the majority of its members here and on TBD.

I know for a fact that the moderators on PERB have banned members for making threats to SPs. I've seen PMs of real threats that have been sent to SPs and the offending parties were quickly eliminated. Most members on PERB would take threats towards SPs very seriously and fully support banning people for sending them. However it would be very difficult for a fair minded poster or moderator to classify the bickering that went on between you two as threatening.