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This is why I'm so horrified by the POTUS lecturing banks on relaxing their lending behavior......

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Unfortunatly there is nothin new here.This was predicted years ago but ACORN and others drowned out the " conservatives" who want the poor to live in tenaments. The ability of the banks to package and pitch bad loans did nothing to help.

Now we have about half of the bad mortgages in play more to come, the banks took the tarp money freed up their capital paid back the money and are now paying out huge bonuses. again all predicted and poo pooed by BArnie Frank and the speaker what's her name.

The president has threatened a new tax on big banks to recover all their money the banks have said thats not the way to encourage loans and the circle continues.
 

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Unfortunatly there is nothin new here.This was predicted years ago but ACORN and others drowned out the " conservatives" who want the poor to live in tenaments. The ability of the banks to package and pitch bad loans did nothing to help.

Now we have about half of the bad mortgages in play more to come, the banks took the tarp money freed up their capital paid back the money and are now paying out huge bonuses. again all predicted and poo pooed by BArnie Frank and the speaker what's her name.

The president has threatened a new tax on big banks to recover all their money the banks have said thats not the way to encourage loans and the circle continues.
The following banks have paid back TARP funds:

Citigroup
Bank of America
JPMorgan Chase
Wells Fargo
Goldman Sachs
Morgan Stanley
US Bank
Capital One
American Express
Bank of New York Mellon
State Street

Institutions that have not paid back funds:

AIG
GM
PNC (planned Jan 2011)
GMAC
Chrysler
Regions
Discover

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program#Participants


I'd say the fire should be directed from Wall Street to Detroit.

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This is why I'm so horrified by the POTUS lecturing banks on relaxing their lending behavior......

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Funny how you weren't horrified when Team 'w' did it!...:rolleyes:
 

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Bottie and his fellow corporate boot-licker frenhy LaRue weren't.
Both were busy 'under the desk' servicing their masters.....as good bottoms do.....:p
 

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I was hoping that the video would discuss how central bank setting interest rates with government insurance by the FDIC creates moral hazard.

We could have expanded the discussion to the CDIC and the CMHC.
 

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We could have expanded the discussion to the CDIC and the CMHC.
The CDIC and the CMHC are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They charge a hefty fee for insuring deposits and guranteeing mortgages. Safe deposits and mortgages have a very beneficial social effect. It means your elderly mom will not lose her savings and it means your 30's cousin can buy a house for his growing family. The banks are simply conduits. They take the deposit from your mom and lend it to your cousin.
 

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The CDIC and the CMHC are not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They charge a hefty fee for insuring deposits and guranteeing mortgages. Safe deposits and mortgages have a very beneficial social effect. It means your elderly mom will not lose her savings and it means your 30's cousin can buy a house for his growing family. The banks are simply conduits. They take the deposit from your mom and lend it to your cousin.
None of this changes that government setting interest rates and making guarantees create moral hazard.

To the extent that the bank is lending my mom's demand deposit to my cousin, the bank is engaging in fraud.
 

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None of this changes that government setting interest rates and making guarantees create moral hazard.
It is actually the PRC government that sets interest rates for the world. BTW Greece of all places is insolvent. What exactly does Greece produce nowadays?

To the extent that the bank is lending my mom's demand deposit to my cousin, the bank is engaging in fraud.
Ok, ok, no mortgage for your cousin. His family can live in that cramped rented apartment.
 

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Ok, ok, no mortgage for your cousin. His family can live in that cramped rented apartment.
If fractional reserve banking was recognized as fraud

instead of institutionalized by government and insured by taxes

then people would be more free to seek retribution when victimized by this fraud.

If banks were to suffer the consequences of unscrupulous behaviour then moral hazard would be reduced.

Loans would be available but not as readily, and people would relearn the virtues of producing and saving.
 

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If fractional reserve banking was recognized as fraud

instead of institutionalized by government and insured by taxes

then people would be more free to seek retribution when victimized by this fraud.

If banks were to suffer the consequences of unscrupulous behaviour then moral hazard would be reduced.

Loans would be available but not as readily, and people would relearn the virtues of producing and saving.
But the systemic risk would far out weigh the benefit, and there would be no need for regulation.

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I thought this was a good overview, given the apparent lack of basic economics and banking knowledge on this board I thought this might be a first step.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SdtoKeFTi0&feature=player_embedded

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Right. So what's your take on George W Bush having nationalized the US economy faster than you can say "Hugo Chavez", is there a moral hazard in the fact that, thanks to Mr. Bush, American taxpayers are now on the hook for over half of all home mortgages in the USA?

Securitization of loans = moral hazard.

Lending out other people's money with next to no reserve requirement = moral hazard.

Earning bonus pay based on only short-term financial performance while taking huge long term risks = moral hazard.

Banks that are "too big to fail" and then take outlandish risks knowing taxpayers will stump up the funds = moral hazard.

Regulation designed to reduce or eliminate the above = reduce or eliminate moral hazard.
 

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I'll take these one at a time:

Securitization of loans = moral hazard.
This is the most important point, the underwriting function is performed by a bond ratings agency that's hired by the firm securitizing the debt.... the only risk they have is reputation risk. If a firm (AIG for instance) or quasi government agency (Fannie, Freddie) insures that risk then the underwriting standards are their responsibility (and thus not much moral hazard, until we get to the below).

Lending out other people's money with next to no reserve requirement = moral hazard.
This is a dumb point, there is a reserve requirement for this reason. The risk this addresses is liquidity risk.

Earning bonus pay based on only short-term financial performance while taking huge long term risks = moral hazard.
Another good point, and one that I doubt will be properly addressed anywhere......

Banks that are "too big to fail" and then take outlandish risks knowing taxpayers will stump up the funds = moral hazard.
Who are banks really, are they shareholders? The shareholders were fleeced in this process (ask anyone who owned Wachovia shares). Bank management, go find Ken Lewis. The taxpayers bailed out (forced acquisitions or injected capital) to benefit the economy and the system, not the banks.

Regulation designed to reduce or eliminate the above = reduce or eliminate moral hazard.
Which is why you'll never read me saying that banks should not be regulated, conservative and sensible regulation is what we need, not what we have or what we're likely to get. There is too much ignorance in Washington and too much populist nonsense for the US to get sensible banking regulation.

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