More Ethanol nonsense...

[frasier]

http://www.mgex.com/quotes.html?&page=chart&sym=MWH08

Our politicians have done it again......next time when you put your highly subsidized Ethanol in your car and you save the 50 cents per gallons at the pump...please deduct from that your tax dollars that subsidize this crap...and your increased food bill..and corn is not the only one affected.

..and it will get worse..

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/405e4028-e31e-11dc-803f-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

 

[S.C. Joe]

Now its reported that Ethanol fires are harder to put out than gasoline ones and require a special type of firefighting foam.

Most fire depts don't have the foam either, just great...

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-02-26-17-06-41

 

[onthebottom]

Just another way subsidize the welfare grain farmer.

OTB

 

[shakenbake]

Just another way subsidize the welfare grain farmer.

OTB

If that were theonly concern. What about the tortilla protests over the escalating costs of corn as a food?

 

[frasier]

Corn-based ethanol is a bad, bad joke.

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I also believe it to be unethical..we spend millions to feed the hungry..only to burn food for fuel??

 

[WoodPeckr]

While not the best thing in the world for the food supply, Brazil's use of sugar cane-based ethanol is at least economically justifiable, given a high price per barrel of oil.

Corn-based ethanol is a bad, bad joke.

And because of that ethanol in Brazil costs half of the price of gasoline.
Hemp is the ideal crop for ethanol in N America not corn. Either way the agri-business lobby will get their subsidies.

Hydrogen development should have a far higher priority than it has currently but that would take vision Team 'w' never had. Of course being run by BIG OIL doesn't help either.

 

[WoodPeckr]

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I also believe it to be unethical..we spend millions to feed the hungry..only to burn food for fuel??

Unethical?!?!!?!?
We spend BILLIONS/month killing people in the ME yet that troubles you not a bit!....

 

[LancsLad]

Unethical?!?!!?!?
We spend BILLIONS/month killing people in the ME yet that troubles you not a bit!....

That we could, and should, do for less. We are truly not getting value for money on that project.



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[LancsLad]

The world is ending. I'm agreeing totally with OTB.

The ethanol (made from corn) is the biggest pork barrel scam going. In Brazil, ethanol is made from sugar cane, and sugar cane grows like a weed in tropical countries.

While not the best thing in the world for the food supply, Brazil's use of sugar cane-based ethanol is at least economically justifiable, given a high price per barrel of oil.

Corn-based ethanol is a bad, bad joke.

I'll join and make it a trifecta of happenstance.


Seems to me that the ecomony of Hawaii would get a nice boost from this as most of their sugar cane fields are fallow now due to low demand and cheaper foreign sugar.

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[WoodPeckr]

That we could, and should, do for less. We are truly not getting value for money on that project.

Perhaps you and Team 'w' could hook up with some still 'surviving old fellas' in Argentina who could give you(s) some pointers on making that process more efficient, eh...

 

[LancsLad]

Perhaps you and Team 'w' could hook up with some still 'surviving old fellas' in Argentina who could give you(s) some pointers on making that process more efficient, eh...

Don't need any "boys from Brazil" types for this task. Simple value for money acccounting can solve the problem.

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[Asterix]

http://www.mgex.com/quotes.html?&page=chart&sym=MWH08

Our politicians have done it again......next time when you put your highly subsidized Ethanol in your car and you save the 50 cents per gallons at the pump...please deduct from that your tax dollars that subsidize this crap...and your increased food bill..and corn is not the only one affected.

..and it will get worse..

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/405e4028-e31e-11dc-803f-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

For once I agree with you. Growing crops that are a basic food source and diverting them for fuel is beyond bizarre. Corn is already vulnerable in cultivation because we have reduced the availlable strains down to four commerically, which makes it very susceptible to disease. This became reality in the 70"s when nearly 1/4 of the corn crop in North America was lost. We run a big risk in creating monocultures to depend upon to feed ourselves. To expect the land to do double duty as a fuel source is madness.

 

[onthebottom]

Does anyone know if sugar beets can be used?

OTB

 

[Asterix]

Does anyone know if sugar beets can be used?

OTB

Beets are an extraordinary source of food, and used in many products we take for granted. See above post for my opinion on using basic food sources for fuel. Idiotic.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Beets are an extraordinary source of food, and used in many products we take for granted. See above post for my opinion on using basic food sources for fuel. Idiotic.

LOL!
That's why bottie proposed it......

Hydrogen is the key.
All it takes is a 'Manhatten Style' project.
Remember it took about 10 years of concerted effort to put a man on the moon and H2 was the fuel that did it.

 

[onthebottom]

Beets are an extraordinary source of food, and used in many products we take for granted. See above post for my opinion on using basic food sources for fuel. Idiotic.

That's probably right, I just know there are a ton of beets in MN and ND.....

OTB