A group of muslims are distributing a book, "Atlas of Creation" which attacks Darwins thesis of evolution.
http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aid=4369934/
http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aid=4369934/
Muslims join christian right.
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Fascinating and to think that The Rev. Charles Darwin was responsible for Communism, Nazism, Racism and terrorism. Of course that Islam is the universal religion and solution to the worlds's problems is similarly obvious.danmand said:
The only difference is christians killed millions (hundreds of thousands?) a long time ago and now, fanatical fundimentalist muslims are coming into their own.blackdog said:
There was an excellant special on last week on PBS called "America at a crossroads" that examined just about every aspect of islam etc. It was a VERY infromative series. Watch it if it comes on again.
From the interviews with some fanatics I found it not too dissimilar from what the Catholic Church has done in God's name....
There was controversy about one of the docs for this pbs series because it focused on moderate facets of Islam in North America but according to those involved, the "truer" Muslims found it offensive.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0410crossroads0410.html
Certainly evil has been done in the name of Christ. However, Muslims killing people in the name of Jehad is no modern phenomenon, ask Maronite, Greek Orthodox or Armenian Orthodox Christians among others about that.tboy said:
This is a good opportunity to ask the question, so what do we, those of us living in the 21C with a modern belief system that is peacefully different than the extreme side of Born Again's , the Muslim extremists, and might as well lump in 50% of the Sikhs a well, how do we confront this apparent menace. I'm not in favor of the parking-lot-to-glass solution. What do you advocate? Muslim extremism is spreading, there's not much doubt about it, especially thanks to Iraq.Aardvark154 said:
I believe there is a real threat posed to our security, no matter where you live, Saudi, Philippines, UK, Europe, etc posed by the religious zealot community world wide. What for example if control of Pakistan were to turn over into radical hands, a situation not unimaginable. I'm also not happy about the FBI running around all over the globe, and the CIA with internationally based secret prisons. The situation can easily grow out of control. How do we diffuse it? Confrontation feeds the monster.
One way to over-simply the view is that we have whole segments of the planet, here and there, living under a 7th Century code of God, but who have access to 21C weaponry, and they can and probably will take out whole cities before this situation plays out, and its just getting started. We haven't seen anything yet IMHO. Wait until the real battle starts, i.e. they take out a couple of our cities, and we nuke a country back in reprisal.
Keeping in mind that only about 20% of Islam resides in the Middle East. The balance is spread over Africa, Asia, Southeast Asia, India, the Balkans and Russia.
I hear lots of shouting and complaining but what can we actually do about it, if anything.
( and i want access to Persian women with out fear of stoning)
Well, as for jews killing palistinians, I say the invasion was a response to hammas (sp?) a known terrorist organization being shielded by a government. Not the same as muslim extremeists in the least.
As for a solution to the growing problem of fanatical religions:
I think that even though the religion of islam is growing, so is the non-muslim population. No matter how many muslims there end up being, there will always (and I can guarantee that ALWAYS) be more of the population non muslim THAN muslim. (think of 1.3 billion chinese that WILL not convert).
Think of it this way: non-extremist muslims were put upon after the world trade centre attack. Imagine what would happen if a city was nuked? I'm sorry for all those who have integrated their religion into democratic societies but there will come a point where, especially so after a nuclear attack, that the rest of the world will have enough. Segregation, annihilation, executions, etc may be the result.
Put it this way: police agencies and other military agencies have some groups and people under surveilance and are suspected of being extremeist. Do you think that for a second that anyone suspect will just be observed? Hell no..they will be arrested and or attacked with everything in that agency's power.
Remember what happened to Japanese Americans after Japan attacked pearl harbour?
As for a solution to the growing problem of fanatical religions:
I think that even though the religion of islam is growing, so is the non-muslim population. No matter how many muslims there end up being, there will always (and I can guarantee that ALWAYS) be more of the population non muslim THAN muslim. (think of 1.3 billion chinese that WILL not convert).
Think of it this way: non-extremist muslims were put upon after the world trade centre attack. Imagine what would happen if a city was nuked? I'm sorry for all those who have integrated their religion into democratic societies but there will come a point where, especially so after a nuclear attack, that the rest of the world will have enough. Segregation, annihilation, executions, etc may be the result.
Put it this way: police agencies and other military agencies have some groups and people under surveilance and are suspected of being extremeist. Do you think that for a second that anyone suspect will just be observed? Hell no..they will be arrested and or attacked with everything in that agency's power.
Remember what happened to Japanese Americans after Japan attacked pearl harbour?
Its not a pretty picture, and we could be closer to this than we realize. I have no answer. I doubt there is one. It will be a day-by-day affair when and if the situation escalates. Yes, I am quite aware of the Japanese internments in Canada. I lived on the west coast for many years. I think you had to be living then to understand the situation. Interning a race during wartime is one thing,taking their property is another matter. The Japanese lost everything. 99% of them probably as innocent and good people as any other Canadian with the same rights to be here and be free as the rest of us. But, the Japanese were a brutal people in war, and I think that was also part of it. Fear as well as race played a role. Notice we did not round up all the Canadians of German stock....although they and the Italians here had a rough time of it anyway. Rocks thrown at their windows, extreme prejudice, etctboy said:
I don't speak danish, I speak muffin, preferably carrot or oatmeal......onthebottom said:
Funny thing about the whole situation is that if they would just slow the fuck down and not be in such a hurry, they might actually accomplish their goals. I mean, governments are caving on all manner of things because of the pressure (and yes, their numbers are growing) but when I was watching that program, I couldn't help think of this old joke:
Young Bull and an Old Bull were standing on a hill overlooking a herd of cattle.
The Young Bull says to the other "why don't we run down there and fuck one of them cows"...
The old bull replies " why don't we walk down there and fuck em all"!!!!
Clearly keeping your armed forces at home and criticizing US foreign policy is the best solution.....Mcluhan said:
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Actually, no, it isn't......have you ever heard the saying:onthebottom said:
When they came for the jews, I did nothing...
When they came for the negros, I did nothing...
When they came for my neighbours, I did nothing...
When they came for me, there was no one left to do anything for me.....
You keep getting a 1/2 point here and there for being a smart ass, and even more points for the arrogance and smugness. If that's your objective, your doing well.onthebottom said:
Now try making some sense, lets see how that goes.
No, smugness is scoring other posts.Mcluhan said:
Just being a smart ass. You'll find few if any constructive solutions to hard problems here, they require tradoffs which is much harder than bashing Bush or the US in every third post.
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I think you'd find the more conservative Jews would fall into the same category, fundamentalism is the same regardless of the religion. It's important that we not judge those who believe by their most extreme members.danmand said:
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Of course, there are no Palestinians killing Jews in the name of a religiously pure state are there?scouser1 said:
Well maybe one or two....
Just to point out the flaw in the argument, hamas is not being shielded by the government, they are the government (and they declared war on Israel - again - this week http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1613425,00.html )tboy said:
