N00bish questions about the SP agencies

butterfly boy

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I've only used Roommates and Mirage, so if anyone could answer the questions in a way that are more specific to those 2 then that'll be better. Anywho,

1) How does the phoning system work. So I phone Mirage, and the girl picks up. The girl isn't an SP correct? After I arrive at the location, the SP there phones the girl and tells her I'm here right? Sometimes the agency calls me through a different phone number - why is that?

2) How would an SP make sure that the customer is above 18 years of age and that the customer isn't suffering from diseases like Hep B or something? I don't see how it wouldn't be possible for a 17 year old to ask for an SP and tell her that he's 18.

3) Most importantly, what's going to happen if something against the rules happens, like a) the customer doesn't pay, b) the customer physically abuses the SP, or c) the customer forces the SP to do a sexual act like BBGRK that the SP doesn't provide? Is there like some sort of bodyguard that would chase down the customer?


I'm just curious. If any of the questions are not allowed to be answered, then just let me know. Thanks.
 

butterfly boy

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Good thing I'm single :)

And sad to say, but unfortunately, 90% of the STD's are usually asymptomatic. This includes the deadly ones like HIV or Hep B
 

mur11

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I've only used Roommates and Mirage, so if anyone could answer the questions in a way that are more specific to those 2 then that'll be better. Anywho,

1) How does the phoning system work. So I phone Mirage, and the girl picks up. The girl isn't an SP correct? After I arrive at the location, the SP there phones the girl and tells her I'm here right? Sometimes the agency calls me through a different phone number - why is that?

2) How would an SP make sure that the customer is above 18 years of age and that the customer isn't suffering from diseases like Hep B or something? I don't see how it wouldn't be possible for a 17 year old to ask for an SP and tell her that he's 18.

3) Most importantly, what's going to happen if something against the rules happens, like a) the customer doesn't pay, b) the customer physically abuses the SP, or c) the customer forces the SP to do a sexual act like BBGRK that the SP doesn't provide? Is there like some sort of bodyguard that would chase down the customer?


I'm just curious. If any of the questions are not allowed to be answered, then just let me know. Thanks.


1) I've always kinda wanted to get a behind-the-scenes persecptive on an agency. I might regret it in the end, but I've always been curious of the logistics. My best guess is the initial phone call you make goes to a girl who has the locations and schedules of the girls in front of her, she slots you with the lady and in the time you ask for, then calls you back. Unless you see an independent, SPs don't do their own bookings, that's a big advantage of working for an agency. Not sure why it's a different number calling you back, if I had to guess, the agencies might use multiple numbers to prevent LE or problem clients for harassing them, but that's just a guess. In any case, the phone girls/agency owner has quite the juggling act to do. I have no clue how much the phone girls/guys get paid, but it's probably not enough given the shit they have to deal with

2) They could ask for ID I guess? I'm 26, but look younger, and gotten a few looks, but never been asked for an ID. I guess they figure if you have 250 in cash, you're probably at least 18. They probably also think if you've gone to the trouble of looking up the agency, booking an appointment, and showing up, you're probably not going to file any charges even if you're not 18. As far as diseases go, save for obvious cases, like a guy with lesions all over his face or privates, there's no way of knowing.

3) This is also something I've wondered about. Agency girls usually work with a partner in a suite in whatever hotel/condo. I've always assumed there's a bit of a don't ask don't tell relationship with hotels and agencies, where the hotel probably knows of an agency operating or an independent, but as long as there's no complaints, or sketchy people disturbing other guests, they'll turn a blind side. Maybe there's a bit of a cash payment as well, but maybe not. So if a guy doesn't pay, I'm not sure whether there's anything the SP can do. I don't see her running down the hall chasing the guy at the Royal York for example. However, I also think SPs develop a pretty good radar, and can figure out whether a guy isn't going to pay before the session's over, and can call in reinforcements. I've always assumed too, that if a client is getting violent, there's a panic button, or a safe word, or something that the SP can say that will alert the other girl(s) or maybe the guy in the suite beside to intervene. Independent SPs, I think, always have someone who knows what they do, who they check in with before and after every session to ensure their safety. I've always wondered whether there's a big dude in the next suite that is there for the sole purpose of muscle. I kinda hope so. With independents, it's a little more difficult since they have such a tight margin with every appointment between the cost of the room, supplies, cleaning. Unfortunately, I think you can't always protect against assholes, and it's a bit of fact of life in this business, that there's always the risk of assholes demanding services you don't offer, or threatening you. I do think that the reputable agencies have safeguards that the client doesn't know about unless he has to.
 

CRX8

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2) As long as you look like your 18, and you don't reveal your real age they won't care. If they keep persisting about your age just deny and all is fine, you're already there, most won't turn you away unless you admit you're under age. I saw my first whore when I was 16.

3) The big agencies you frequent hire off-duty cops for muscle and protection, LE is very much involved in this seedy industry.
Off-duty cops either get payed in cash or in pussy. Hell some cops probably own agencies too.

Not only do they pay the cops protection, they also have to pay them because keeping an incall is illegal, it's sort of a tax/insurance, usually when an incall gets busted is because they didn't pay LE.

It sort of goes something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uC-3HihajU


Same goes for most Landlords of buildings in which the incall is located. For the most part they know whats going on and for their discretion they get some poontang as well.
 

MrBingo

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I've only used Roommates and Mirage, so if anyone could answer the questions in a way that are more specific to those 2 then that'll be better. Anywho,

1) How does the phoning system work. So I phone Mirage, and the girl picks up. The girl isn't an SP correct? After I arrive at the location, the SP there phones the girl and tells her I'm here right? Sometimes the agency calls me through a different phone number - why is that?

2) How would an SP make sure that the customer is above 18 years of age and that the customer isn't suffering from diseases like Hep B or something? I don't see how it wouldn't be possible for a 17 year old to ask for an SP and tell her that he's 18.

3) Most importantly, what's going to happen if something against the rules happens, like a) the customer doesn't pay, b) the customer physically abuses the SP, or c) the customer forces the SP to do a sexual act like BBGRK that the SP doesn't provide? Is there like some sort of bodyguard that would chase down the customer?


I'm just curious. If any of the questions are not allowed to be answered, then just let me know. Thanks.
how come u ask so many dumb questions?
 

Hiding

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I've only used Roommates and Mirage, so if anyone could answer the questions in a way that are more specific to those 2 then that'll be better. Anywho,

1) How does the phoning system work. So I phone Mirage, and the girl picks up. The girl isn't an SP correct? After I arrive at the location, the SP there phones the girl and tells her I'm here right? Sometimes the agency calls me through a different phone number - why is that?
The phones girls are not SPs. Some are former SPs, some are just friends of the owners that know/understand the nature of the industry. They have the locations and schedules and preferences of the girls in front of them, they will help you find someone that's well-suited to your needs. Different phone number is because some big agencies have a handful of phone numbers, and some are set up for incoming calls. These lines can be busy with all the phone calls coming in, and you don't want to have someone get a busy signal or go right to VM. Mirage, for example, has a booking number and a check-in number (you hear these options when you call them).

2) How would an SP make sure that the customer is above 18 years of age and that the customer isn't suffering from diseases like Hep B or something? I don't see how it wouldn't be possible for a 17 year old to ask for an SP and tell her that he's 18.
When in doubt, a girl can ask for ID or say no. What is a 17-year-old going to do, accuse the SP of seeing underage guys? What guy is going to press a charge like this? 18-24 typically sound very nervous on the phone and the phone girl has a good idea of this. Hep B is transmitted via blood and bodily fluid contact. Women choose their comfort level (and so do you). Girls will not work with a canker sore in their mouth or any kind of cut to minimize their risks. Regular STI testing is standard.

3) Most importantly, what's going to happen if something against the rules happens, like a) the customer doesn't pay, b) the customer physically abuses the SP, or c) the customer forces the SP to do a sexual act like BBGRK that the SP doesn't provide? Is there like some sort of bodyguard that would chase down the customer?
You're getting blacklisted and maybe traced. There's no one in the room next door, but the girl can txt or call the agency and the driver will be there in a heartbeat. If necessary, there are usually cameras downstairs that can be viewed if something illegal goes on. Most SPs and phone girls have a good "spidey sense" and can get out of these calls. A good phone girl (a la Taylor@Mirage/Kelly@Select/Natalie@Select) is not going to book with anyone who sounds the least bit sketchy, for the agency's safety and the girl's. No, the police are not involved in any of this but we're fortunate to have a police force that is willing to pursue a client for illegal activities. Forcing any sexual activity the girl says no to is SEXUAL ASSAULT: very illegal and very much pursued by the agencies AND law enforcement, whether it happens in a paid or unpaid situation.

Girls check in and check out with the phone girls at the beginning and end of every call. If there is any doubt in their minds, they will cancel the call. Yes, there are risks involved for the girls, but it is very apparent when something is wrong (this is not her first call, or her second, or her third, and she knows what normally happens).



@CRX8: LOL to everything you said. No, they are no payments going on (that I'm aware of, I'm 4 agencies into my "career" and pretty involved in most of them). No, building owners don't get sessions for free. (And no, you're probably not a cop.) Please stop perpetuating stupid stories about the sex industry - this is what makes my job dangerous. A lot of owners are "family men" or "family women" and incredibly normal. Just like most clients are incredibly normal people.

When an incall gets busted, its usually because the neighbours have pointed it out to a building manager or security downstairs has.
 

Wizard Merlin

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2) As long as you look like your 18, and you don't reveal your real age they won't care. If they keep persisting about your age just deny and all is fine, you're already there, most won't turn you away unless you admit you're under age. I saw my first whore when I was 16.

3) The big agencies you frequent hire off-duty cops for muscle and protection, LE is very much involved in this seedy industry.
Off-duty cops either get payed in cash or in pussy. Hell some cops probably own agencies too.

Not only do they pay the cops protection, they also have to pay them because keeping an incall is illegal, it's sort of a tax/insurance, usually when an incall gets busted is because they didn't pay LE.

It sort of goes something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uC-3HihajU


Same goes for most Landlords of buildings in which the incall is located. For the most part they know whats going on and for their discretion they get some poontang as well.
Just love it when guys talk out of their ass. Your whole LE payment and involvement stuff is total BS. Stop perpetuating lies and fantasies.
 

Hangman

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I love these uninformed debates! You guys make it sound like Mission Impossible, with calls and code names and whatnot.

You have to give the SP the secret "No STD" handshake, of course.
 

Brill

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For outcall, I doubt drivers offer much protection. They're probably not parked right outside the home or hotel and they'll hesitate before breaking down a door even if they had the strength to do so. They won't call the police until it's too late and the cops will take longer to arrive than on television.
 

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I love these uninformed debates! You guys make it sound like Mission Impossible, with calls and code names and whatnot.

You have to give the SP the secret "No STD" handshake, of course.
Only after the secret "18+" call and response whistle.
 

CRX8

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@CRX8: LOL to everything you said. No, they are no payments going on (that I'm aware of, I'm 4 agencies into my "career" and pretty involved in most of them). No, building owners don't get sessions for free. (And no, you're probably not a cop.) Please stop perpetuating stupid stories about the sex industry - this is what makes my job dangerous. A lot of owners are "family men" or "family women" and incredibly normal. Just like most clients are incredibly normal people.

When an incall gets busted, its usually because the neighbours have pointed it out to a building manager or security downstairs has.
Well, I think it's pretty evident that a cop won't be discussing protection money with a low echelon whore or phone girl now would he.
 

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2) As long as you look like your 18, and you don't reveal your real age they won't care. If they keep persisting about your age just deny and all is fine, you're already there, most won't turn you away unless you admit you're under age. I saw my first whore when I was 16.

3) The big agencies you frequent hire off-duty cops for muscle and protection, LE is very much involved in this seedy industry.
Off-duty cops either get payed in cash or in pussy. Hell some cops probably own agencies too.

Not only do they pay the cops protection, they also have to pay them because keeping an incall is illegal, it's sort of a tax/insurance, usually when an incall gets busted is because they didn't pay LE.

It sort of goes something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uC-3HihajU


Same goes for most Landlords of buildings in which the incall is located. For the most part they know whats going on and for their discretion they get some poontang as well.

Bullshit!
 

Rockslinger

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I suspect that all agencies are part of a cartel and they meet weekly in a smoke filled room to discuss "market" prices. Hee, hee, hee. Insert "SP Cartel" smilie here.
 

mur11

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I suspect that all agencies are part of a cartel and they meet weekly in a smoke filled room to discuss "market" prices. Hee, hee, hee. Insert "SP Cartel" smilie here.
You are a fucked up dude. And I mean that as farthest away from a compliment as I can
Please don't post anymore (I know you will)
 

Rockslinger

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Some folks are too dense to realize when something is said "tongue in cheek". Just like that comment about cops being on the take. Anyway, would people be happy if we say that SP agencies are basically an "oligopoly"? One has to be extremely naive to think there is not some "cooperation" and info sharing among the major agencies.
 
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