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NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack

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Still a very volatile race but this is interesting....

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NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack - politics - Decision 2012 - msnbc.com

Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

And in yet another sign of how volatile the Republican race has been with less than three months until the first nominating contests, the onetime frontrunner, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, has plummeted to third place, dropping more than 20 percentage points since late August.

“Cain is the leader ... That’s the story,” said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff.

But McInturff cautions that Cain’s ascent — and Perry’s decline — is probably not the last shakeup in a GOP race that has seen a series of sudden rises and abrupt falls (first Donald Trump, then Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and now Perry) in the field.

“There is still a long, long, long time to go,” McInturff said.

Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

In the previous survey, conducted in late August, Perry led the field at 38 percent, Romney stood at 23 percent, while Cain was at only 5 percent.

“He isn’t a politician”
Cain’s numbers are sky-high among Republican primary voters. Fifty-two percent view him favorably, versus just 6 percent who see him unfavorably. Among Tea Party supporters, his favorable/unfavorable score is 69 percent to 5 percent. And among Republicans who identify themselves as “very conservative,” it’s 72 percent to 2 percent.

In follow-up interviews with respondents supporting Cain, they argue that he’s not a politician, and that he seems real. “He has common-sense answers and is in touch with the heartbeat of America,” said one respondent, a 46-year-old male from Florida.

“Cain gives direct answers. He is succinct. He isn’t a politician,” answered another who’s a 56-year-old male from Washington.

Group: Cain plan a major tax cut for rich
“Cain presents himself as a real person. He speaks from the heart. He is plainspoken and down to Earth,” added a third respondent, a 56-year-old female from Texas.

“Acceptable” Romney
Despite Cain’s rise and Perry’s fall over the past month and a half, Romney’s standing in the Republican horse race hasn’t changed—it was 23 percent in August, and it’s unchanged at 23 percent now.

But that doesn’t mean that Romney is unappealing to Republican voters. His favorable/unfavorable score is 51 percent to 16 percent, which is in the ballpark of Cain’s.

Among Tea Party supporters, it’s 55 percent to 20 percent, and among “very conservative” Republicans, it’s 60 percent to 19 percent.

Read the full NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll here (.pdf)
Hart says this shows that Romney is “acceptable” to GOP primary voters, even if he might not be their first choice. Hart sums up their attitude: “Can I live with him? Yes. Do I want him? Less so.”

But according to the poll, the health-care reform Romney signed into law in Massachusetts is a bigger political problem for him than his Mormon faith.

Forty-three percent of Republican primary voters say they have a less favorable impression of the former governor when told that he opposes the federal health-care law requiring that nearly all Americans have or purchase health insurance—but that his Massachusetts law has similar requirements.

Only 12 percent of Republicans say that description gives them a more favorable impression of Romney, and 42 percent say it makes no difference.

By comparison, 66 percent of GOP primary voters say they feel comfortable with Romney’s Mormon faith, versus just 13 percent who don’t feel comfortable.

But among self-described evangelical Christians, who make up about a one-sixth of all respondents in the poll, a larger number, 25 percent say they don’t feel comfortable with his Mormon faith.

Obama leads in head-to-heads

In hypothetical match-ups for the general election, President Barack Obama leads Romney by two points, 46 percent to 44 percent, which is virtually unchanged from August.

Against Cain, Obama enjoys an 11 point advantage, 49 percent to 38 percent. And against Perry, the president is up by 12 points, 51 percent to 39 percent.

When paired against a generic Republican, 44 percent say they would “probably” vote for Obama, while 42 percent would “probably” vote for the Republican candidate. That’s a change from August, when a generic Republican led the incumbent president, 44 percent to 40 percent.

And 73 percent of Democrats and 78 percent of Democratic primary voters say they want their party to nominate Obama again as its 2012 presidential candidate. By comparison, in April 1995, 67 percent of Democrats said the same of Bill Clinton, who didn’t face a primary challenger during his successful re-election bid.
 

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Cain's campaign so far has more resembled a book tour. He doesn't have the organization and doesn't have near the money of some of the other republican candidates. Also he is now the target. Everything that could be known about Romney is known, not so Cain. When the primaries really gets going, if he doesn't have a network of people working for him in as many states as possible, I think you'll see him fade. Also he is asking people to accept an entirely new tax structure that many people think would be an excuse for lawmakers to tinker with beyond how it was originally set up. 9-9-9 might sound catchy, but I think the practicality and fairness of it may unravel as people examine it further.
 

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Cain with his simple '999 plan' appeals to the weak of mind folks in the GOP who need an argument that can be reduced to a 'bumper sticker' or 'lapel button' for them to fathom!....:rolleyes:

Betcha JAJA is wearing a 999 button on his lil blue jammies as he sleeps, doggone it!
 

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Cain's campaign so far has more resembled a book tour. He doesn't have the organization and doesn't have near the money of some of the other republican candidates. Also he is now the target. Everything that could be known about Romney is known, not so Cain. When the primaries really gets going, if he doesn't have a network of people working for him in as many states as possible, I think you'll see him fade. Also he is asking people to accept an entirely new tax structure that many people think would be an excuse for lawmakers to tinker with beyond how it was originally set up. 9-9-9 might sound catchy, but I think the practicality and fairness of it may unravel as people examine it further.
I don't disagree with any of this, very very early and the POTUS vetting is brutal.

Can we all agree with 70% of tea party supporters and conservative GOP having a favorable opinion puts to bed the racist slurs that the left is so fond of?

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Can we all agree with 70% of tea party supporters and conservative GOP having a favorable opinion puts to bed the racist slurs that the left is so fond of?
Hell NO!!!
We all know this is merely a convenient way to mask all that and paint the GOP as something you know in the heart of your heart in not true!....:eyebrows:

Cain is just for show and will get nowhere in the end.
 

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I don't disagree with any of this, very very early and the POTUS vetting is brutal.

Can we all agree with 70% of tea party supporters and conservative GOP having a favorable opinion puts to bed the racist slurs that the left is so fond of?

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They might have a favorable opinion about what he is saying, but no one has voted on anything yet. I don't thnk you can look at this in extremes. People don't have to be outright racist to be uncomfortable with accepting what is contrary to their experience. I'm sure there are many Republicans who ultimately won't vote for him because they're not ready for this. On the other hand there seem to be some who think Romney is part of a cult. Hard to say which prejudice will have the bigger impact, but Romney is clearly better organized and has been doing quite well in the debates. The endorsement by Christie didn't hurt either.
 

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I'm sure there are many Republicans who ultimately won't vote for him because they're not ready for this.
However, I don't believe that is because of his race, but rather because the election is not entirely about economics and domestic politics.

I still believe that of the current candidates Governor Romney is the best and 'if the election where held today' polls reflect that.


On the other hand there seem to be some who think Romney is part of a cult.
Save for diehard evangelicals a non-issue.

However, that doesn't change the fact that although the use of the word "cult" like the use of the word "myth" is often misunderstood and hence was a poor choice, Mormonism is not a Christian denomination but rather a Christian schism that uses Christian terminology to express non-Christian ideas.
 

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Hell NO!!!
We all know this is merely a convenient way to mask all that and paint the GOP as something you know in the heart of your heart in not true!....:eyebrows:

Cain is just for show and will get nowhere in the end.
Are you calling Cain an Uncle Tom like your heroes Janine Garofalo and Harry Belafonte?
 
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