need advice re: blu-ray players

1HandInMyPocket

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Thinking of joining the 21c by buying a blu-ray player. Can anyone give some general advice as to features or qualities I should be looking for when buying a blu-ray player, because I see price differences of $200.

I did try a search and got some old ps3 threads. BTW, I'm not interested in getting a PS3, unless people think it is a good price ($299) regardless of the fact it is also a game console.

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1HandInMyPocket said:
BTW, I'm not interested in getting a PS3, unless people think it is a good price ($299) regardless of the fact it is also a game console.
1Hand
My son has one and says it is a good price.
He uses it for both games and playing movies.
 

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I would also highly recommend the PS3, even if you are not a gamer (and you should be hehhehe :) ) it is hands down one of the best blu ray players out there. It has the constant updates that many other players do take their time in doing via wi fi, also think of it as a media centre that you can stream photos, videos and music from your PC to it.
 

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Just an opinion but save your money! Blu Ray is the last kick-at-the-can for disk in general. Sure the quality is great but in a couple years anything you want will likely be on demand with the click of a button.
 

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scouser1 said:
It has the constant updates that many other players do take their time in doing via wi fi, also think of it as a media centre that you can stream photos, videos and music from your PC to it.
My son does this to. He downloads movies and music via torrents on his PC then sends it via built in wi-fi to be played on his stereo and big screen TV with surround sound. He can even surf the net with PS3 on his big screen TV. It came with a 60GB HDD.
 

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Just an opinion but save your money! Blu Ray is the last kick-at-the-can for disk in general. Sure the quality is great but in a couple years anything you want will likely be on demand with the click of a button.
I don't see that happening unless high speed becomes much faster and widespread (like in South Korea) and ISP drop their silly quota system.
 
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I don't see that happening unless high speed becomes much faster and widespread (like in South Korea) and ISP drop their silly quota system.
I don't know what's holding back high speed in North America?

Rochester Institute of Technology has high speed on their campus that is 3X faster than T3 for the last couple years. While Japan widely uses a high speed connection that is 4 or 5 times faster than what is used at RIT and it costs ~$15/month!

WTF is the holdup over here?
 

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Did a little digging and found this

World’s Fastest Broadband at $20 Per Home

By Saul Hansell April 3, 2009, 5:01 pm

If you get excited about the prospect of really, really fast broadband Internet service, here’s a statistic that will make heart race. Or your blood boil. Or both.

Pretty much the fastest consumer broadband in the world is the 160-megabit-per-second service offered by J:Com, the largest cable company in Japan. Here’s how much the company had to invest to upgrade its network to provide that speed: $20 per home passed.

The cable modem needed for that speed costs about $60, compared with about $30 for the current generation.

By contrast, Verizon is spending an average of $817 per home passed to wire neighborhoods for its FiOS fiber optic network and another $716 for equipment and labor in each home that subscribes, according to Sanford C. Bernstein & Company.

Those numbers from Japan came from Michael T. Fries, the chief executive of Liberty Global, the American company that operates J:Com.

His larger point: “To me, this just isn’t an expensive capital investment,” he said.

The experience in Japan suggests that the major cable systems in the United States might be able to increase the speed of their broadband service by five to 10 times right away. They might not need to charge much more for it than they do now and they’d still make as much money.

The cable industry here uses the same technology as J:Com. And several vendors said that while the prices Mr. Fries quoted were on the low side, most systems can be upgraded for no more than about $100 per home, including a new modem. Moreover, the monthly cost of bandwidth to connect a home to the Internet is minimal, executives say.

So what’s wrong with this picture in the United States? The cable companies, like Comcast and Cablevision, that are moving quickly to install the fast broadband technology, called Docsis 3, are charging as much as $140 a month for 50 Mbps service. Meanwhile other companies, like Time Warner Cable, are moving much more slowly to upgrade.

Competition, or the lack of it, goes a long way to explaining why the fees are higher in the United States. There is less competition in the United States than in many other countries. Broadband already has the highest profit margins of any product cable companies offer. Like any profit-maximizing business would do, they set prices in relation to other providers and market demand rather than based on costs.

Pricing at Liberty varies widely by market. In Japan, its 160 Mbps service costs 6,000 yen ($60) per month. That’s only $5 a month more than the price of its basic 30 Mbps service. In the Netherlands, meanwhile, it charges 80 euros ($107) for 120 Mbps service and 60 euros ($81) for 60 Mbps. Mr. Fries said that he expected these prices would fall over time.

“Our margins go up,” he said. “But we are delivering more value.”

Cable executives have given several reasons for why many cable systems in the United States are going very slowly in upgrading to Docsis 3. There’s little competition in areas not served by Verizon’s FiOS system, which soon will offer 50 Mbps service. And some argue there isn’t that much demand for super-high speed.

Mr. Fries added another: Fear. Other cable operators, he said, are concerned that not only will prices fall, but that the super-fast service will encourage customers to watch video on the Web and drop their cable service.

The industry is worried that by offering 100 Mbps, they are opening Pandora’s box, he said. Everyone will be able to get video on the Internet, and then competition will bring the price for the broadband down from $80 to $60 to $40.

Aren’t you worried that the prices will fall too? I asked.

“Maybe,” he said very slowly. “We’ll see how it happens. We want to keep it up there for now. It is a premium service.”
 

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Back to topic....

Price Differences work out like this:

- HDMI 1.3 and Profile 2.0 Support - as opposed to 1.1 for old (read cheaper)units pretty much standard on all new units
- 7.1 (or 5.1) Channel Analog Audio output - with this, the Bluray player decodes the audio stream from the movie, and outputs each decoded channel to your amplifier channel input (as opposed to using a single wire HDMI or SPDiF to your AVR receiver, and letting it decode the audio into 5.1 or 7.1 channels. Usually a bit more $$ for this feature.
- DTS-MA & TrueHD Audio Support - Some units will internally decode these new formats for their 7.1/5.1 analog outputs, others will pass these through to your AVR receiver for it to decode..if it can, and older player models won't support these at all.

So...if you have a relatively new AVR receiver, that supports DTS-MA and HD Audio, all you need is a Bluray player that passes this format to the receiver over it's HDMI or Digital Coax output. An example of this would be the Sony BD350.

If you have an older AVR, or no AVR just amplifiers, you need a Bluray that decodes DTS-MA and HD Audio internally, and sends out 5.1 or 7.1 analog audio outputs. The Sony BD550 would be an example of this type.

Most units have ethernet for updating firmware or to add new formats. You will want this feature.
Some will require an external USB drive to support Profile 2.0's BDLive feature. Live uses your ethernet to access movie addons, online shopping etc. You will probably never use this. But other units will have 1GB of internal staroge for BDLive for a bit more $$.
 

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PS3 is the way to go, so many reasons don't know where to start.

Built in HDD is a great way to show off your photos
Does a great job up-verting DVDs
Games
Bluetooth remote
.......

And it's only 300 bucks.....

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Go with the PS3 got mine the day it was released. Plus just wait till Jan new online war sim game call M.A.G only for sony:D
 

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299 for the PS3 is an amazing deal, except that the new generations no longer feature the on-board emulator to play PS2 and PS1 games.

The onboard Blu-Ray player is an awesome perk of it, let alone the quality of the games themselves graphics wise... X-Box really lost out on the HD-DVD end of it, lol.

Your going to spend about 200 on a blu-ray player, just get the PS3 and use it's features...
If you ever lose your PC or laptop for a few days, you will praise God, Allah, or whoever, for the on-board internet usage on the PS3... I know I have.

PLUS, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 is coming out in 2 months time... You will not be disappointed!
 

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the disc format is slowly dying, though.

I bought a Blu-Ray a few years ago... yeah, sure I enjoy it, but don't use it much at all... in fact, haven't watched a movie on it since last Holiday Season (Christmas)
 

Garrett

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the disc format is slowly dying, though.

I bought a Blu-Ray a few years ago... yeah, sure I enjoy it, but don't use it much at all... in fact, haven't watched a movie on it since last Holiday Season (Christmas)
What do you use then? Torrents etc? How can you manage blueray downloads (max 50GB) with compression etc coming into play?

I would love to hear alternatives. However, it usually comes down to bandwidth.
 

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I was thinking of buying a Blu Ray player then decided to go build a media center PC. I spent as much as a reasonably good player, but have the option of surfing the net, checking emails etc, everything a PC does, PLUS the ability to play Blu Ray AND HD DVDs.

I have it networked with my desktop as well so I can file share etc.

Only drawback is having the wireless keyboard and mouse hanging around...

The great thing too is (like the PS) is that I can easily play video games like GTR, Need for Speed, and COD on it. The graphics are amazing on a 1080P plasma....
 

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The question is will Blu-Ray be around long enough to make it worthwhile getting?
 

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The question is will Blu-Ray be around long enough to make it worthwhile getting?
Oh you can count on it. They spent way too much money fighting with HD DVD to give it up easily.

Plus they are gouging on the price of the discs so they are making millions from it.

Frankly I think they'd make a lot MORE money if they'd lower the prices somewhat......I know I would buy more BR but frankly, for often double, or triple the price, my upconverting DVD player does a great job for 1/3 the price......
 
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