Ontario Premier Doug Ford’s approval dips to historic low in wake of Greenbelt controversy

[SaturnFan]

Ontario Premier Doug Ford’s approval ratings have dipped to a historic low following the release of two bombshell Greenbelt reports, according to a new poll released Friday morning.

A survey by Angus Reid suggests that fewer than three in 10 Ontarians, or about 28 per cent, approve of the premier.

This marks a five-point drop from Ford’s approval ratings in June, and represents the lowest rating he has ever received since being elected in 2018.

More than half of respondents also said they believe the premier should resign in the wake of the Greenbelt controversy. This included about a quarter of respondents who identified as Progressive Conservative voters.

Ford’s support among PC voters has also dropped, from 80 per cent approval in June to 63 per cent approval in September.

 

[SaturnFan]

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[Frankfooter]

I'm surprised its not zero.

Every day it looks worse.
Yesterday it came out that India puts more money into Ontario universities than the province.
Indian students now fund more than DoFo.

 

[Anbarandy]

With the support writ "crickets" shown for Just Say No To Drugs on this board in light of his GreenScam lands fiasco that is scam, wrapped in corruption, inside a lie, I would surmise that his folksy, snake oil elixir peddler's charisma is reaching a nadir.

"Hurr-ray, hurr-ray, hurr-ray folks. Step right up and take a swig of my super-duper GreenScum elixir for all that ails ya."

 

[Skoob]

If you want to build more housing you need more land. Downtown Toronto is too congested. So where is the land going to come from?
Ontario has farm land about the size of Texas and everyone is getting worked up about converting a couple thousand acres of privately-owned land for housing? Land that was originally purchased as an investment for future builds, but then deemed to be "greenbelt" by the provincial Liberals in 2003 screwing the owners ever since.
Remember the Liberal party of Ontario? Same ones who were all for the environment but invested heavily in US coal plants.

I believe building housing (i.e. houses not more condos) outweighs any apparent flaws in the process of granting permission to a land owner to do what they purchased the land for in the first place.

 

[Frankfooter]

If you want to build more housing you need more land. Downtown Toronto is too congested. So where is the land going to come from?
Ontario has farm land about the size of Texas and everyone is getting worked up about converting a couple thousand acres of privately-owned land for housing? Land that was originally purchased as an investment for future builds, but then deemed to be "greenbelt" by the provincial Liberals in 2003 screwing the owners ever since.
Remember the Liberal party of Ontario? Same ones who were all for the environment but invested heavily in US coal plants.

I believe building housing (i.e. houses not more condos) outweighs any apparent flaws in the process of granting permission to a land owner to do what they purchased the land for in the first place.

The greenbelt is protected because its the best farmland in Ontario.
Only about 5% of Ontario is good farmland.

You can always make cities more dense.

 

[bazokajoe]

Developing land on the greenbelt is better than the Liberals spending $1 billion on 2 cancelled gas power plants just to stay in power. That's corruption at it's worst.

 

[glamphotographer]

Never trust the polls. Sometimes these polls are made up so the news media has something to talk about.

 

[Frankfooter]

Developing land on the greenbelt is better than the Liberals spending $1 billion on 2 cancelled gas power plants just to stay in power. That's corruption at it's worst.

Wasting a billion for vote pandering is bad politicing.
Giving away $8 billion in profit to friends you invite to a family wedding is corruption.

 

[Anbarandy]

If you want to build more housing you need more land. Downtown Toronto is too congested. So where is the land going to come from?
Ontario has farm land about the size of Texas and everyone is getting worked up about converting a couple thousand acres of privately-owned land for housing? Land that was originally purchased as an investment for future builds, but then deemed to be "greenbelt" by the provincial Liberals in 2003 screwing the owners ever since.
Remember the Liberal party of Ontario? Same ones who were all for the environment but invested heavily in US coal plants.

I believe building housing (i.e. houses not more condos) outweighs any apparent flaws in the process of granting permission to a land owner to do what they purchased the land for in the first place.

Well Drugs Fraud just promised at his annual Farce Fest sham-boree in Kitchener yesterday that he is going to build zillions of affordable homes under 500K throughout Ontario.

Never mind the market forces, profit, greed and grift driven developers and investors that he has bedded himself with, Chairman Mao Dung Frao, the newly reconstituted former Drugs Fraud is now embracing communism, socialism in all of it's central planning glory in a top-down driven strategy to house all the unhouse-ables in their brand new affordable, under 500K homes!

Yes folks fools, just like "Mexico will pay for the wall", "I will cover your legal bills" and "I listened to the folks and will not touch the Greenbelt", Drugs Fraud will build jillions of affordable hovels for under $500K.

 

[Skoob]

You are right that we desperately need more housing, but we can always make cities more dense. Make remote work more the norm, convert unoccupied office buildings, prevent real estate investors from buying up more property, build more skyscrapers to accommodate more housing and so on. Doug Ford's goal is not to build more housing but to just hand it over to his cronies.

I somewhat agree with you but have some differences in opinion at the same time based on your points.
DoFo to hand over land they already own? if not, what else would he be "handing over"?

Commercial real estate like office towers drive investment by banks which drives the investment market for things like pensions. It would have a negative ripple affect on many things if commercial real estate became under valued. I say that by fully supporting remote work for anyone that can so that it helps ease traffic congestion, pollution, etc. I know several people who work for large companies that are forcing their staff to return to the office and those buildings that were fairly vacant during the pandemic are almost back at full capacity.

How would you stop investors from buying more property in a free market?

Toronto is already too dense. You can see it from a traffic perspective and has a public transit system that can't handle the volume and hasn't been able to for decades.

 

[Skoob]

Well Drugs Fraud just promised at his annual Farce Fest sham-boree in Kitchener yesterday that he is going to build zillions of affordable homes under 500K throughout Ontario.

Never mind the market forces, profit, greed and grift driven developers and investors that he has bedded himself with, Chairman Mao Dung Frao, the newly reconstituted former Drugs Fraud is now embracing communism, socialism in all of it's central planning glory in a top-down driven strategy to house all the unhouse-ables in their brand new affordable, under 500K homes!

Yes folks fools, just like "Mexico will pay for the wall", "I will cover your legal bills" and "I listened to the folks and will not touch the Greenbelt", Drugs Fraud will build jillions of affordable hovels for under $500K.

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Are you saying you don't believe him? Chow is also saying she is going to build affordable housing but hasn't yet either. Do you believe her?...or anyone else?

 

[Skoob]

Wasting a billion for vote pandering is bad politicing.
Giving away $8 billion in profit to friends you invite to a family wedding is corruption.

Giving away land they already own? Allowing them to build on that land which was purchased as an investment for that purpose years ago is wrong? Even if it means more housing that's desperately needed?

Can you explain further please?

 

[Skoob]

The greenbelt is protected because its the best farmland in Ontario.
Only about 5% of Ontario is good farmland.

You can always make cities more dense.

Qualify "best farmland in Ontario" and how taking 2000 acres of that compared to the available farmland in Ontario will have any impact?

You can always make cities more dense but why would you want to if there is ample available space for people who don't want to be crowded into shoe-boxes in the sky?

 

[Frankfooter]

Giving away land they already own? Allowing them to build on that land which was purchased as an investment for that purpose years ago is wrong? Even if it means more housing that's desperately needed?

Can you explain further please?

Yes, they bought land that they knew was zoned greenbelt so they couldn't build on it.
They went to the DoFo family wedding and made a deal so that land could be developed giving them the opportunity for $8 billion in profit on the land alone, without even building on it.

That was an insider deal applied to the one section of the Greenbelt they owned against the public's wishes and against DoFo's stated policy, as well as on land that wasn't needed for housing.

 

[Frankfooter]

Qualify "best farmland in Ontario" and how taking 2000 acres of that compared to the available farmland in Ontario will have any impact?

You can always make cities more dense but why would you want to if there is ample available space for people who don't want to be crowded into shoe-boxes in the sky?

You can build cities on any land but you can't have a farm on crap soil.
It was protected for a reason, building will impact the land all around it as well as the water table.

 

[Anbarandy]

Are you saying you don't believe him? Chow is also saying she is going to build affordable housing but hasn't yet either. Do you believe her?...or anyone else?

He said he would put an "iron ring" around LTC homes during the pandemic. Instead, he put out a welcome mat for the grim reaper and for-profit, corporate LTC providers.

He said he would solve "hallway medical care" with a sprinkling of pixie dust. Instead, the healthcare system is a disaster of his own making in order to open the floodgates for for-profit operators to leech off the public health system.

He said he wont touch the Greenbelt lands. Instead, he has now flung it wide open for rampant speculation, greed and profiteering by developers at the expense of the public interest.

He said he would build affordable housing. Instead, he has not built one single fucking affordable housing unit.

Chow has been mayor for what now, a month, maybe two. She has a history of being involved in many, many initiatives that promote the public interest.

Seriously bud, you are out of your element on this file.

Your grasp of the Greenbelt and housing issues is as bereft as Doug's.

 

[poker]

Developing land on the greenbelt is better than the Liberals spending $1 billion on 2 cancelled gas power plants just to stay in power. That's corruption at it's worst.

No. He is using his office to enrich his buddies. And as if he isn’t taking kickbacks of some form or another.

Yes… the Liberals had corruption too.

 

[bazokajoe]

No. He is using his office to enrich his buddies. And as if he isn’t taking kickbacks of some form or another.

Yes… the Liberals had corruption too.

I would say costing the tax payers $1 billion is far worse.

 

[poker]

I would say costing the tax payers $1 billion is far worse.

I would say it was a dumb move. But it wasn’t illegal.

And…. Dougie scrapping the rent controls for his investor buddies will cost Ontario renters far more than a couple billion in the long run.