Opiates

[lessjamie7]

For everyone else don't take my experience as set in stone, it's not the same in different people. It happened to work for me.

I thought Mr. Oracle was a lawyer? He should have been able to desseminate the data in front of him. I looked up "The impact of Cardiogenic vomiting", done.

You are fortunate, glad your ok, I would also add to the advice roster to best as we can, lead a healthy lifestyle.

BTW it is quite humorous that you chirp Mr. Oracle questioning his intelligence, as you spell disseminate incorrectly.

It's the little things that make us laugh, also good medicine.

LJ

 

[Insidious Von]

lessjamie7 are you incinerating that I can't spell?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Okay so I'll ask it after much deliberation.......How would Gravol which is an antihistamine help you pull through a heart attack?

That doesn't make much sense to me and I even googled it but came up blank

Its actually aspirin that you're supposed to take during (or right after) a heart attack

 

[Insidious Von]

Its actually aspirin that you're supposed to take during (or right after) a heart attack

Correct, at the time I was thinking flu not heart attack so I took Gravol.

I don't have much of an appetite, I'm taking in 1/4 of the calories I once did. The endocrinologist scared with what she said, if I had one before, it's gone now.

 

[The Oracle]

You always did come across as something of a blank Mr. Oracle, so I'll answer.

When it started to come on five days before, I thought I had the flu, so I took Gravol. When you have a heart attack the sensation of nausea can get severe, it's the heaving combined with the chest pressure that damages your heart. On the night that it happened, I was awoken from sleep with the pain in my chest intensified but my stomach was calm, that bought me time.

Obviously you've never experienced one, my answer may not satisfy you technically, you have your right hand for that.

I never use my right for that...........

You're right I've never had a heart attack and hopefully never do. I get bloodwork done twice a year and am somewhat schooled in what to look for. At a BMI of 23 and being a non drinker and smoker I would fall in a low risk group. But stranger things have happened.

Anyways I wish you all the best going forward and hope you have a full recovery and do the necessary lifestyle changes needed to ensure that.

If you have the time and want to read an excellent book on losing weight and controlling diabetes. The Obesity Code by Canadian doctor Jason Fung is a must read.

Cheers,

 

[massman]

You always did come across as something of a blank Mr. Oracle, so I'll answer.

When it started to come on five days before, I thought I had the flu, so I took Gravol. When you have a heart attack the sensation of nausea can get severe, it's the heaving combined with the chest pressure that damages your heart. On the night that it happened, I was awoken from sleep with the pain in my chest intensified but my stomach was calm, that bought me time.

Obviously you've never experienced one, my answer may not satisfy you technically, you have your right hand for that.

It’s the blocked artery and subsequent lack of blood flow to the heart muscle that damages the heart. Gravol might make you feel better, if you are nauseated/ vomiting during the heart attack, but isn’t going to save you if you are having one, aspirin and angioplasty/ stent might though.

good to know you got the appropriate care in time and pulled through.

 

[Insidious Von]

Understood.

I was taking Gravol thinking I had the flu. The heart attack hit just before midnight, it's the chest tightening combined with the stomach heaves that punches your clock. The chest tightening was very much there but my stomach remained calm. I haven't taken Gravol since.

I'm on an array of drugs, the main ones being low dose aspirin and 90mg of Brilinta. My GP says that I'll be taking Brilinta, twice a day, for a minimum of a year. I asked him why I'm waiting 4-6 weeks for rehab, he said the heart has to heal first. After I see the cardiologist in three weeks then I'll get the green light to begin. He recommended that I do some walking to begin, that's something of a challenge since my brain keeps telling me to go back to bed.

 

[danmand]

Understood.

I was taking Gravol thinking I had the flu. The heart attack hit just before midnight, it's the chest tightening combined with the stomach heaves that punches your clock. The chest tightening was very much there but my stomach remained calm. I haven't taken Gravol since.

I'm on an array of drugs, the main ones being low dose aspirin and 90mg of Brilinta. My GP says that I'll be taking Brilinta, twice a day, for a minimum of a year. I asked him why I'm waiting 4-6 weeks for rehab, he said the heart has to heal first. After I see the cardiologist in three weeks then I'll get the green light to begin. He recommended that I do some walking to begin, that's something of a challenge since my brain keeps telling me to go back to bed.

Like the Oracle(!) I also did not know that vomiting was a symptom of a cardiogenic event. Your post may save somebody's life one day. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/cardiogenic-shock/symptoms-causes/syc-20366739

I find it amazing that the "brotherhood" here on Terb give us good medical information. When I had a cancer 14 years ago, a nurse here on Terb gave me some excellent advice.

 

[Insidious Von]

Ok, I won't give The Oracle the Curly Howard treatment.

Jeez Luigi, Dane, I had no idea! What form of cancer did you have, did they give you hydromorphone (Delaudid)?

Since it gave me such a wonderful buzz, I did a background check on Delaudid. It's eight times stronger than morphine, both are used to treat pain from cancer and burns. The difference is, Delaudid is used to relax a distressed heart once an attack has been confirmed. Morphine cannot be used for such an application. Fentanyl is extremely powerful, usually given to people with terminal cancer. The drug rendered me semi-conscious, all I remember is that I was in a sitting position and the surgeon telling me that the stent was in place.

Now that I've experienced them, I'm certain that both John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix were taking Delaudid. They knew each other from the London club scene, who turned on who, I have no idea. It is more potent and cleaner than Heroin but not ready available. People who become addicted to Delaudid usually turn to Heroin to achieve the same euphoria. Fentanyl is a blotto opiate, I have no memory of the experience, most certainly a death wish. It is 70 times more potent than morphine.

Yeah John Lennon was on Delaudid. I didn't experience Strawberry Fields, a boat on a still ocean (Lucy in the sky with diamonds) very close. Lennon was off the drug by the time The Beatles made Abbey Rd.

 

[danmand]

Ok, I won't give The Oracle the Curly Howard treatment.

Jeez Luigi, Dane, I had no idea! What form of cancer did you have, did they give you hydromorphone (Delaudid)?

Since it gave me such a wonderful buzz, I did a background check on Delaudid. It's eight times stronger than morphine, both are used to treat pain from cancer and burns. The difference is, Delaudid is used to relax a distressed heart once an attack has been confirmed. Morphine cannot be used for such an application. Fentanyl is extremely powerful, usually given to people with terminal cancer. The drug rendered me semi-conscious, all I remember is that I was in a sitting position and the surgeon telling me that the stent was in place.

Now that I've experienced them, I'm certain that both John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix were taking Delaudid. They knew each other from the London club scene, who turned on who, I have no idea. It is more potent and cleaner than Heroin but not ready available. People who become addicted to Delaudid usually turn to Heroin to achieve the same euphoria. Fentanyl is a blotto opiate, I have no memory of the experience, most certainly a death wish. It is 70 times more potent than morphine.

Yeah John Lennon was on Delaudid. I didn't experience Strawberry Fields, a boat on a still ocean (Lucy in the sky with diamonds) very close. Lennon was off the drug by the time The Beatles made Abbey Rd.

No, I did not need any pain medication. It was actually very un-dramatic, which is what you want.

I had early stage cancer of the vocal cord, and instead of waiting months to get radiation treatment in Ontario, I flew to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota, and had surgery the next day. I have been clean ever since.

It cost me the price of a fine car, but it was worth it.

 

[Insidious Von]

Some people got confused, I'm going to close this thread by explaining what a potential lethal heart attack is.

A potentially lethal heart attack involves everything from your saliva glands to your navel. The pressure on your heart comes from all sides. It's the chest tightening combined with stomach heaves that can end your life. The most common symptoms of an oncoming heart attack, but not exclusive, are pain in the armpits and heavy salivation - excessive heart burn can also play a part. If any of these symptoms occur, get to an ER, ASAP.

I had a five day build up, i thought it was the stomach flu (which I've had before), so I started taking Gravol. When the rush of chest tightening hit, my stomach remained stable, that's how I survived.

 

[Insidious Von]

So here is my progress since the heart attack.

I'm eating 30% less of what a was consuming pre-coronary and I don't load up on carbs. Since I'm still on the patch, 58 days without a cancer stick and counting, anarobic workouts are out of the question. You need 6 hours straight of sleep to do it, that's impossible while I'm on Nicoderm. I've been taking it slow, walking and stairs is all I do. I've lost 20 lbs, I can now see my cazzelino and feel my abs, hidden under a layer of fat, again. I've been eating lots of lentils, nutritious and very versatile. I went to my local deli and ordered an omelette with melon slices and rye toast...no home fries or marmalade. I will probably be on the Nicoderm patch until mid-June. Till then I'm not rushing anything.

I want to be off the drug regimen by Victoria Day 2022.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

^^^^^ what also helps is taking a baby aspirin once a day

 

[Insidious Von]

^^^^^ what also helps is taking a baby aspirin once a day

Certo Fillipo, I took a baby aspirin at night my first night home, I also took Forxiga (diabetes) with it...they don't play well together. The cardiologist said I should take baby aspirin at night. I woke up at 3:00AM and saw a double star in the night sky. One star in place the other circling around it. If a double star suddenly appeared it would be all over the news. I blinked but it stayed in place. The next day I started taking the baby aspirin in the afternoon, no problems.

 

[Insidious Von]

Hafthor (The Mountian) Bjornsson has lost 110 lbs, he has a new born son and a beautiful wife. He's currently trying his hand at MMA under the instruction of Bas Rutten. I don't believe he can make a career of it, his muscles are too big and slow.

 

[Insidious Von]

Vassy Kapelos is on maternity leave...she looked so miserable the final week.

Domesticated Mountain with his lovely 6 months pregnant wife Kelsey.

 

[Insidious Von]

It's not hip to be square, Huey Lewis can go fuck himself.

Diabetes is hereditary on my mother's side of the family, I couldn't evade it. I've been following the Glycemic Scale as best I can to avoid blood sugar spikes. On a grocery trip, I bought sushi, the next morning I had a blood sugar reading of 12.6 - unacceptable. The Chef at the Longo's Hot table is very talented most of what she makes is fresh and delicious. I can't make meatballs like she can, so I'll buy a lunch of rigatoni and meatballs, I've never gotten a blood sugar reading over 7.6.

There is a difference of opinion between the endocrinologist and the pharmacist. The endocrinologist wants me to take my blood sugar below 6 which I can't do without ramping up my exercise program. The pharmacist says, since I'm a relatively big man, as long a I keep my blood sugar below 8, I can stay healthy. I visit my GP on May 18, he can break the deadlock.

 

[lomotil]

It's not hip to be square, Huey Lewis can go fuck himself.

Diabetes is hereditary on my mother's side of the family, I couldn't evade it. I've been following the Glycemic Scale as best I can to avoid blood sugar spikes. On a grocery trip, I bought sushi, the next morning I had a blood sugar reading of 12.6 - unacceptable. The Chef at the Longo's Hot table is very talented most of what she makes is fresh and delicious. I can't make meatballs like she can, so I'll buy a lunch of rigatoni and meatballs, I've never gotten a blood sugar reading over 7.6.

There is a difference of opinion between the endocrinologist and the pharmacist. The endocrinologist wants me to take my blood sugar below 6 which I can't do without ramping up my exercise program. The pharmacist says, since I'm a relatively big man, as long a I keep my blood sugar below 8, I can stay healthy. I visit my GP on May 18, he can break the deadlock.

Long may you run sir...