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Parlour 'Manual Release' Ruled Legal

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From today's Toronto Star:

Parlour's 'manual release' ruled legal

Charges thrown out in masturbation case
Sep 11, 2007 04:30 AM
Nick Pron
Courts Bureau


Around the Newmarket courthouse, they're calling it the "Monica Lewinsky ruling," a reference to the White House intern who performed a certain sexual act on then-president Bill Clinton.

Although that was an oral act, the case in the courthouse north of Toronto that is creating such a buzz involves "manual release," and whether or not masturbating a client at a Vaughan body rub parlour was an act of prostitution.

Justice Howard Chisvin, of the Ontario Court of Justice, didn't think so, and dismissed two bawdy house charges against Valeri Ponomarev, the manager of Studio 176, in a recent ruling that said: "The payment of money was for a full-body massage. The act of masturbation was optional, at no additional fee. I wonder, and am left in doubt as to whether or not the community might consider the act of masturbation in all situations to be sexual."

The judge then made a reference to Clinton's liaison with the intern.

"One only needs to look to the conduct of a certain president of the United States and ... the activity that he participated in to wonder whether or not the act of masturbation is indeed, in all circumstances, a sexual act."

Will the judge's ruling open the flood gates for more "happy endings" at rub and tugs without fear of police prosecution?

Lawyer Alan Gold says it's too early to tell. But he said he believed the judgment to be unprecedented and said it will be in the next issue of his Criminal Law Netletter, a collection of "novel and important" cases.

In his ruling, Chisvin was critical of the undercover York Regional police officer in the case.

The court heard how the officer stripped naked, lay first on his stomach and then flipped over for the female attendant, stopping her when she put her oiled-up hands on his penis.

He went to the massage parlour again, going through the drill with another attendant.

"It strikes me that his actions were not only unnecessary but outside a protocol of investigative techniques of offences of this nature and bordered on no more than attending for self-gratification."
 

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Really, doesn't it just seem absolutely silly that in this day and age we are having our police spend their resources on stopping two mutually consenting adults engage in sex for money? :rolleyes:

If they want to police for pimps and living off the avails, go nuts. But to spend all that time and money on stopping a chick from giving a guy a HJ for a few bucks seems like a total waste.

If you were to ask 100 people if a HJ release at a MP was legal, I'll bet that the vast majority would say yes. If you were to ask why, they'd probably say b/c it's prostitution. But if you were to press them further and ask why prostitution is/should be illegal, I'll bet you'll get a lot of blank stares...
 

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Of course what remains unsaid and invisible is the unfair prosecution of straight people in Ontario. In the gay community such police action would provoke protests by the gay community and condemnation by politicians. It's time to treat these types of "offences" in the same category as other offences that we choose not to prosecute. What wrong are we as society trying to right when police and courts deal with these types of matters.

I bristle when I hear politicians talk about more police. If this is what police are doing, I say they should refocus efforts on violent crime and keeping communities safe, not trying to find "crime" where none exists.

I applaud decisions like this one and hope that YRP as well as other police services across Ontario decide that they will only investigate MPs, SPs, etc. only where there is another reason to investigate, such as for a violence related matter. If a MP is not bothering any one, it should not be bothered.
 

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It's probably unfortunate that this ruling came out during the provincial election. I wonder how long it will take for all the party leaders to promise to have the judge's decision overturned on appeal.

I gotta say that viewing masturbation as not a sexual act does seem weird to me. :p

jwm
 

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jwmorrice said:
I wonder, and am left in doubt as to whether or not the community might consider the act of masturbation in all situations to be sexual."
Ahhh.... yes.
 

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Love this story from so many angles. :D
Agree.....what kind of idiot is the judge to rule that getting a handjob wasn't "sexual". He obviously never had one from Tarah. But , hey , whatever works maybe the bribes to the by-law officers will go down now.
 

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Not to toot my own horn, so to speak... :D

But, see this.

Perry
 

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Brilliant!

Perry Mason said:
Not to toot my own horn, so to speak... :D

But, see this.

Perry
As you undoubtedly know, there are cases moving forward in Ontario and BC to scrap all "prostitution" laws.
 

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Thanks jwmorrice for the link to the story of the manual release case.
Thanks Perry Mason for linking your previous post about the matter.
 

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I wonder if the Crown will seek "relief" in a higher Court to ensure they get the happy ending????
 

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LancsLad said:
I wonder if the Crown will seek "relief" in a higher Court to ensure they get the happy ending????
They probably will appeal, though a ruling by a judge of the Ontario Court is not binding on any other judges, so they could simply ignore it -- unless and until other judges begin to follow it.

But it is not a foregone conclusion that the Court of Appeal would reverse this judgment. If you read my previous thread, you would see that the lead for what this judge did came from the Court of Appeal itself.

I think it is quite possible that our kind of happy endings may just be here to stay.

Addendum: I just reviewed the judgment. It was released (no pun intended!) in June 2007. If the Crown intended to appeal, then it must have done so by now... but I am unable to determine whether or not it did so. Anyone who wants to read the judgment can do so here.

Perry
 

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Perry:

Just wondering if this judge has the reputation of being an eccentric or is he regarded as pretty mainstream?

jwm
 

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jwmorrice said:
Perry:

Just wondering if this judge has the reputation of being an eccentric or is he regarded as pretty mainstream?

jwm
I don't know.

But the judgment is fairly straight forward and the reasoning adheres to several previous decisions of the Court of Appeal and the recent decision of the Supreme Court of Canada dealing with indecency.

One of the essential points is that there was no extra charge for the release: it was part and parcel of a full body massage if the client so chose... as I suggested in my previous thread.

It seems to me that the Rockies may crumble, Gibraltar may tumble, but hand jobs are here to stay... :D

Perry
 

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Perry Mason said:
It seems to me that the Rockies may crumble, Gibraltar may tumble, but hand jobs are here to stay... :D

Perry
And thank Christ for that.
 

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Hopefully, the judge isn't jerking our.................................chain.:eek:
 

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jwmorrice said:
Perry:

Just wondering if this judge has the reputation of being an eccentric or is he regarded as pretty mainstream?

jwm
Perry Mason said:
I don't know.

But the judgment is fairly straight forward and the reasoning adheres to several previous decisions of the Court of Appeal and the recent decision of the Supreme Court of Canada dealing with indecency.

One of the essential points is that there was no extra charge for the release: it was part and parcel of a full body massage if the client so chose... as I suggested in my previous thread.

It seems to me that the Rockies may crumble, Gibraltar may tumble, but hand jobs are here to stay... :D

Perry
You don't know ?

do you practice criminal law ?

The judge is a well respected former defence counsel.

If you practiced in Toronto or Newmarket you would know this.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/news/2004/20040206-judges-nr.asp

TORONTO - Attorney General Michael Bryant announced today the appointment of five provincial judges to the Ontario Court of Justice, effective February 18, 2004.

Mr. Justice Howard Chisvin was called to the Bar in 1985 and has practised criminal law for more than 18 years. He has been chair of the local area committee of Legal Aid Ontario, chairperson of the Criminal Law Division of the York Region Law Association, and director of the Criminal Lawyers’ Association.
 

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Joebear: go fuck yourself! :p

Do you know how many judges there are within a 100 km. radius of Queen and Bay Streets?

Is it a sin not to know all of them?

Would you rather I bullshit you instead of acknowledging that I don't know?

Perry
 

james t kirk

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When you think about it, massaging a penis is just massaging a part of the human body.

Of course, it does feel good, it does lead to 5 seconds of euphoria, it does cause you to do stupid things, and it does cause you to spend money.

But hey, life is short, why not enjoy it while you can....
 

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Perry Mason said:
...One of the essential points is that there was no extra charge for the release...
Using that line of reasoning -- suppose they charged customers the same rates as an incall. Could they say BJs and FS were also done with "no extra charge"? Isn't that pretty much how brothels work in places where they are legal?
http://www.club316.com.au/html/rates.html

Or does this ruling differentiate between HJs and FS when it cites one of the definitions for prostitution being the "offering of a person's body for the purpose of sexual intercourse or other sexual gratification in return for payment"?

It would seem to be kind of ridiculous for our laws (or their interpretations) to draw a specific line between different types of consensual sex acts.
 
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