Pit Bull Owners In Panic Over Ban!

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Denver pit bull owners in a panic over ban
7/20/2005, 2:37 p.m. CT
By MEGAN McCLOSKEY
The Associated Press


DENVER (AP) — A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffan looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row.

Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation. Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed — an average of more than three a day.

Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance.

Some owners, like Steffan, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver.

For Steffan and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had.

"It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground — at least she'll be able to play now," Steffan said. "But she'll miss us. We're her pack."

Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation.

Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs — the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter.

City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, "pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that."

Critics of the ban use words like "annihilation" and "genocide," and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis.

"Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the community," Bui said.

Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control.

Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs.

"If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill — unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen — that's not based on scientific data," said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites.

The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths.

But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity.

At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver.

Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But "when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging." Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home.

"He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds," Dias said. "But otherwise he's a jewel."

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On the Net:

American Canine Foundation: http://www.acavet.com


Copyright 2005 Associated Press.

I don't like Pit Bulls but this is NOT right!
 

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Pit bulls should be culled and the breed wiped out, There is NO purpose for such an animal at all..

Rotwrillers (sp) also


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daboy said:
IMHO

Pit bulls should be culled and the breed wiped out, There is NO purpose for such an animal at all..

Rotwrillers (sp) also


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You are odviously an expert ......next lets exterminate all terbies because they have perverted minds and are responsible for most rapes in society........
 

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Flower said:
The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver.
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"It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground — at least she'll be able to play now," Steffan said.
36 Pit Bulls on a single ranch. That's much safer than individual specimens scattered among different homes.
 

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As sorry as I feel for that maligned breed of dog, I feel equally sorry for the victims of maulings. I still have to say that video was the biggest most transparent piece of manipulative pointless bullshit I have ever seen. What does the abuse of one animal have to do with the violent outbursts of another? In none of the stories that I read about maulings was there ever a sideline about the animal being abused or neglected.
 

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Pit Bulls, like a number of breeds, are as good or bad as their owners/handlers want them to be.
 

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I also believed...

that a bad pitbull was "bred that way" or was mistreated during it's upbringing. That was until my friend's pitbull, which I knew and loved from the time it was a pup, attacked his pregnant wife. All she was doing was carrying a load of laundry down the stairs and Harley came running down after her. He bit her in the hip area and wouldn't let go. My friend came running over from the workshop and tried to separate the two, but there was no way. He eventually had to go to the workshop and grab a knife which he used to slit it's throat.

Sorry about the descriptive nature, but there is no nice way to finish that story. My friend and his wife absolutely loved that dog and treated Harley as one of the family.

I used to be one of the people that said "not all pitbulls are that way", but now I just stay quiet and keep a good distance away from them. I think the biggest problem isn't that they are more likely to attack, I just believe that the attacks have the potential of being much worse than many other breeds.

They are a truly beautiful dog, but I wouldn't own one in a family setting. Destroying them isn't the answer either. Making the owner's responisble for the dog's actions with some serious penalties is a far better solution in my mind. A muzzle in public settings is also a help, I think.
 

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I still think make the owner responsible that way people will think twice before buying an animal they won't train or can't control.

When I was a teenager living at home in Markham our neighbour's dog was attacked and killed by a Rottweiller. My neighbours were walking their dog when a guy from down the street walking his Rottweiler lost control of his dog which tore across the street and starting attacking their dog (some kinda of Lab) my dad tried to get the dog off by bashing it with 2X4 but the dog kept attacking. The owner stood their pulling on the leash. It ended when our neighbours dog was dead. The owner finally got control of his dog. I saw the end of the attack and was horrified. The owner of the Rot took his dog home without saying anything.

Both of my neighbours was injured from trying to get the Rottweiler off their dog.

Someone called 911.

The Police were useless at first but a firefighter talk to an officer who then called Animal Control who came and took the Rotti away.

The dog was giving back because it was only the first complaint.

This was in the mid 80's.

Our Neighbours had to sue the dogs owner for medical expenses and cost to cremate their dog and buy a new dog.

I was like wtf the guy should have been made to pay automatically.

Since then I have always been leary of dogs in general.

A good friend of mine has a Pit Bull and I like the dog but when ever my kids are around he lock up the dog. I never said anything he does it automatically. A responsible owner.

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Kurt said:
I still think make the owner responsible that way people will think twice before buying an animal they won't train or can't control.

When I was a teenager living at home in Markham our neighbour's dog was attacked and killed by a Rottweiller. My neighbours were walking their dog when a guy from down the street walking his Rottweiler lost control of his dog which tore across the street and starting attacking their dog (some kinda of Lab) my dad tried to get the dog off by bashing it with 2X4 but the dog kept attacking


A good friend of mine has a Pit Bull and I like the dog but when ever my kids are around he lock up the dog. I never said anything he does it automatically. A responsible owner.

Kurt

It's hard to believe a couple of hard whacks with a 2 x 4 wouldn't stop a rottweiller. T here is no excuse to have a rotweiller or pit bull people who say any doog can be vicious forget the jaw strength of these particular breeds.
 

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booboobear said:
It's hard to believe a couple of hard whacks with a 2 x 4 wouldn't stop a rottweiller. T here is no excuse to have a rotweiller or pit bull people who say any doog can be vicious forget the jaw strength of these particular breeds.
i have had three rotties and two pitt bulls over the past 25 years, usually a rotti and a pitty at each time and i have kids and they have grown up with them and never ever has there been a single problem. these dogs bite less then labs. the problem is that when they bite they inflict far more damage then a lab would.

but to the guy who's friend had one and it attacked...its probably your friend bringing it up. i havent had any problems with multiple ones. maybe i am just a good owner though
 

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moogama said:
i have had three rotties and two pitt bulls over the past 25 years, usually a rotti and a pitty at each time and i have kids and they have grown up with them and never ever has there been a single problem. these dogs bite less then labs. the problem is that when they bite they inflict far more damage then a lab would.

but to the guy who's friend had one and it attacked...its probably your friend bringing it up. i havent had any problems with multiple ones. maybe i am just a good owner though
Maybe you got lucky but I personally would never have these dogs near kids. You said it yourself when they bite they cause far more damage than other breeds . I know labs can bite also, my uncle had a black lab that severely bit his 5 yr old grandson.


I think a lot of people buy these breeds because it makes them look tough because you know when you buy them they are a powerful dog .
Since you really can't control the owners I think the breed should be banned .
 

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Its the owners, not the dog.
Not that simple...some dogs were designed over many many years to be vicious animals...they are unpredicable and frankly serve NO purpose. I cannot for the live of me see why anyone would want an animal that can and does kill it owners.

Its the owners, not the dog.----Tell me that last time you heard that a golden retreiver killed another dog or its owner.

Its the dog AND the owner.

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booboobear said:
Maybe you got lucky but I personally would never have these dogs near kids. You said it yourself when they bite they cause far more damage than other breeds . I know labs can bite also, my uncle had a black lab that severely bit his 5 yr old grandson.


I think a lot of people buy these breeds because it makes them look tough because you know when you buy them they are a powerful dog .
Since you really can't control the owners I think the breed should be banned .

thats right. and it takes ALOT more to provoke a well trained one to bite then it does a lab or retriever. i have had them 5 around kids with NO problems...so it isn't lucky at all. not 5 times. it comes down to owner responsibiltry and training.

but i do know that they do keep people away from childrens strollers in parks. and that is ok by me.
 

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daboy said:
Not that simple...some dogs were designed over many many years to be vicious animals...they are unpredicable and frankly serve NO purpose.

daboy

absolute bullshit. it called training. i have had rotties and pitty's only and have NEVER had one bite anything other then food and chew toys. and i know of many others that are in the same boat.

and they do serve a purpose. they arew wonderfull pets for kids when trained right. now the problem is that there aren't too many people that can train them right. there is a reason that cops use rotties in europe for their dogs...they are bright and when trained properly are excellent helpers. but im sure your not owning one makes you more qualified to tell us all how they serve no purpose.
 

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daboy said:
Tell me that last time you heard that a golden retreiver killed another dog or its owner.



daboy

maybe someone needs to do some reading. there are cases where even a shi-tzu has killed a baby before. shit happens.
 

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booboobear said:
It's hard to believe a couple of hard whacks with a 2 x 4 wouldn't stop a rottweiller. T here is no excuse to have a rotweiller or pit bull people who say any doog can be vicious forget the jaw strength of these particular breeds.
Before my dad got there thre adults couldn't get the Rotti off the dog even a couple of whacks didn't seem to slow it down.

The owner of the Rotti was a large guy and he couldn't do sh*t.

One scary animal thats for sure.

Kurt
 

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My sister owned a Rotti who was afraid of cats, people, and his own shadow. He wouldn't attack if you provoked him with a pole wrapped in beef. and this wa a big solid animal. You couldnt stop it in mid stride with two hands. It is the owners 100 percent. If owners of Dobermans and Shepherds can be responsible and conscientious then why not owners of Rottis and Pit Bulls? This has become some kind of political stuggle. Rottis and Pit Bulls should be governed on the same rules as other guard and working breeds. It just makes sense.

And lets not ignore the fact that one breed may be more inclined than another to attack without provocation. Wolves and Coyotes are handsome and magnificent looking animals too, but I wouldnt want one in my neighbourhood or home. I know the reports say other breeds attack more than Pit Bulls and Rottis, but what would the stats be if we were to eliminate provoked attacks?
 

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Let me state one thing up front, I will not have a dog in my house or even on my property... Dogs can understand our words or be reasoned with. They only understand patterns. That being said, I have seem many happy dogs and owners that genuinely love them, but I can tolerate aggressive dogs.

The following should be made law:

- first offence dog is aggressive which mean does not bite but barks aggresively or growls at someone when not threatened, cut the balls off if male, cut the tubes if female at owners expense to eliminate that future line

- second offence after surgery for first offence, dog is put down

- Dog bites, dog is put down. Owner is required to pay for expenses for medical and loss of wages

- Put all yappy little 'purse' dogs down NOW!!! Actually, take them to a driving range so they can be targets to improve your game.
 

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Yes, Rottis and Pit Bulls should be governed on the same rules
as other guard and working breeds. All large dogs should be designated
livestock and banned from urban areas.

I have a large colony of bees. They are 'useful'. They are
'well-trained'. They are also livestock, so I keep them on the
farm, not in the city- where they would be a hazard for any number
of predictable and unpredictable reasons.

Man, I think I'm gonna get some Jackals and see if I can get some
dog-lover in denial to fund my legal expenses.

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