Please forward this to every Canadian you know.

[slaconte1978]

Do not apply for your old age pension....
Apply to be a refugee. It is interesting
that the federal government provides a single
refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00
and each can get an additional $580.00 in
social assistance for a total of $2,470.00 per person, not per family.
This compares very well to a single
pensioner who, after contributing to the growth
and development of Canada for
40 or 50 years, can only receive a monthly
maximum of $1,012.00 in old age pension and
Guaranteed Income Supplement.
Furthermore, if you had the wisdom to have an
RRSP and made other income generating investments,
you may have earned the right to receive nothing from the
Federal Government as they claw your Old Age Pension
back because in their opinion you do not need it!!!!!
Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

Let's send this thought to as many Canadians as we can,
and maybe we can get the refugees cut back to $1,012.00 and
the pensioners up to $2,470.00, so they can enjoy the money
they were forced to submit to the Canadian government for those
40 to 50 years.

In the US, refugee claimants are first put in detention centres so their 'identity can be verified' to make sure they are not criminals etc. Of course this takes many moths and by then most "refugees" free willingly ask to be sent back to their countries.

 

[hoser1970]

Nice try! However 2 minutes of checking the Government of Canada website shows that your numbers for OAS and the income supplement are off!

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/isp/oas/oasrates.shtml

Also, you neglected to mention Canada Pension Plan payments, which you would surely be eligible to receive after "contributing to the growth
and development of Canada for 40 or 50 years".

Please cite a source for where you came up with the amounts paid to refugees. There is certainly no mention of any of this on the Citizenship and Immigration site.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/index.asp

Even in the case of Joint Assistance Sponsorship, the site clearly states that they can only receive government assistance up to a maximum of 24 months. Again, no dollar amounts are provided.

This sounds like an urban legend originally created by some racist a$$ and being spread via email, in an attempt to create animosity toward refugees and immigrants from "real" Canadians!

Thanks for sharing

 

[hoser1970]

Nice catch ASN!

 

[pepsiman]

Not sure where or how long that e-mail has been around ... But I got it about a year ago .
There is another one where a person can stay on a cruise ship for less money than a nursing home costs each month .

 

[Smallcock]

Utter bullshit. Stop spreading lies.

 

[ang]

No lie here.........if a disabled person is on ODSP or about to recieve, they cannot have more than $5K to 7K in their name or the supplement is taken dollar for dollar..................so basically you have to be a welfare case and be poor to receive anything

 

[slaconte1978]

I don't know exactly how much "refugees" get but I would imagine paying for their housing and food would not be too far from the number mentioned. This is not the issue however, I have no problem with LEGITIMATE refugees getting that but 99% are scammers abusing the system.

I have seen on few occasions while walking downtown old people, from the way were dressed could tell were not homeless, looking in garbage cans for food. They lived out their savings simply, and with the pennies old age security pays it is not surprising at all they have to look for food in the garbage. That could be YOU in some years.

The problem is not with the politicians, it is with the government, politicians can't do shit, it is the bureaucrats that control the country. These hard working individuals are set for life with fat pensions that YOU are paying for throughout your life.

LET THE 'PEOPLE' PAY FOR YOUR RETIREMENT. GET A GOVERNMENT JOB WHILE YOU STILL CAN IF YOU WANT TO RETIRE WITH DIGNITY.

 

[slaconte1978]

CPP : $477 / Month
Average Government Pension: $5842 / Month

 

[opieshuffle]

Stick with this argument...

CPP : $477 / Month
Average Government Pension: $5842 / Month

...and you'll get more support. I'm ALL FOR cutting out gov't pensions and having a REAL audit of gov't spending done so we can cut the fat!

Let's just stop the fucking "refugee bashing" and get our facts straight. It's been shown time and again that the number of people "scamming the system" is SFA (sweet fuck all) compared to those contributing.

Op

 

[Ulan Bator]

Before you jump all over the guy, try to understand the essence of what he's saying. Canada makes it pretty easy for so-called 'refugees' to enter the country and probably live better than they did back home.

It seems to me that a country should clean up its own backyard before it starts grandstanding, as Canada likes to do, in front of the whole world. We have our own problems here at home that aren't being attended to some of which are:

Job losses due to free trade
Crime, shootings, drugs and gang violence
Rising Unemployment
Rising Taxes
Government waste and corruption
Shoddy treatment of aboriginals

These are a just a few. Charity begins at home. Let's put Canadians and legal immigrants first. 'Refugees' should be the least of our concerns but, then again, give them citizenship and the politicians have another big voting block they can count on.

What a disgrace.

 

[The Options Menu]

It's also important to remember that there are big differences between 'refugees' of which Canada lets 15K or so in per year vs. 'immigrants' of which Canada let's 250K in in a year with a strict set of criteria when it comes to health, education, and / or wealth.

A refugee is somebody who is fleeing from persecution, and immigrant is generally looking for a better economic future. Their needs are different. In many ways Canadian lets far too few unskilled people in as a proportion of total immigration. The quintessential example is why shouldn't we scoop up the worlds best cabbies instead of scooping up engineers and ending up with resentful cabbies. (Certification arguments, and 'old vs new' Canadian racism aside.)

Letting refugees in is something of a moral matter, and 'good PR'. The fact that immigrants outnumber refugees 20:1 is a reflection of the economic reality that they are comparatively expensive... Albeit, the amount of the 200 billion our fed spends annually on refugees is rather paltry for the amount of 'goodwill' it generates.

edit: Right wingers are far too prone to looking at 'cost' then ignoring 'opportunity cost' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost ). Things like cheap good quality daycare, after school programs, summer programs, rec / community centres, and green space all cost money. The simple truth is that the long term cost of not having these things is actually more. The real cost of Regan is just coming home to roost now in the US, and the cost of the Martin cuts and downloading under Chrétien, the Harris cuts and downloading, followed by Mayor Mel is only starting to come home to roost. To be fair to both Conservatives and Liberals they have both done a far better job of keeping an eye on the long term than out friends to the south.

 

[wangbang]

it never ceases to amaze me how gullible people on the internet are. taking everything they read as gospel.

I believe you.

 

[MYSITEONLY]

Regardless, I think our pension plan should be increased, if nothing happens by the time I retire, there will be no hobbying for me.

 

[A.J. Raven]

[QUOTE='Refugees' should be the least of our concerns but, then again, give them citizenship and the politicians have another big voting block they can count on.

What a disgrace.[/QUOTE]

Earlier this week there was a news report that Toronto Mayor David Miller wants to give refugees the right to vote; in other words, people who are NOT citizens can vote in our elections. I think Mr. Miller's time is up.

 

[slaconte1978]

You'll just have to find SP that take payment in aluminum cans.

Regardless, I think our pension plan should be increased, if nothing happens by the time I retire, there will be no hobbying for me.

 

[Mencken]

CPP : $477 / Month
Average Government Pension: $5842 / Month

Bullshit. CPP is a lot more than that (around 840 per month) and the average government pension a whole lot less. The PSSA - the federal pension, works out to 2%/yr service of the 5 year average earnings (including CPP). And the average federal government salary is probably in the 55,000 range...if that, which would get you about 35-40 K per year (max 70%). That is less than half of what you quote - $3200 per month before taxes.

There are very few jobs in the civil service (in terms of total numbers of jobs there) over 100 grand per year.

 

[anon1]

Will you guys quit dispelling a redneck rant with the facts.

 

[The Options Menu]

if that, which would get you about 35-40 K per year (max 70%). That is less than half of what you quote - $3200 per month before taxes.

Beyond that 70% is usually what you get if you hit the '80 factor' for most civil service / teaching / nursing type jobs that are covered by a union. (In general.) The '80 factor' is: "If age + experience = 80 you get your full 70% pension". So it's not like you don't have to slog away for 30 years to get that 70% rate. If you don't make your factor and retire you usually take penalties. (It gets formulated differently, but the general rule holds.)

 

[slaconte1978]

Median Government salary: $75,673

Source:
http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Industry=Government/Salary

CPP Pension: $840
Median Government pension: $4414

Is that better? Sill have to look for food in the garbage if you outlive your savings.

Bullshit. CPP is a lot more than that (around 840 per month) and the average government pension a whole lot less. The PSSA - the federal pension, works out to 2%/yr service of the 5 year average earnings (including CPP). And the average federal government salary is probably in the 55,000 range...if that, which would get you about 35-40 K per year (max 70%). That is less than half of what you quote - $3200 per month before taxes.

There are very few jobs in the civil service (in terms of total numbers of jobs there) over 100 grand per year.

 

[slaconte1978]

So if you started 'working' for them at age 30 you can retire at age 55 with a full (70%) indexed pension for life, does not seem that bad does it

Beyond that 70% is usually what you get if you hit the '80 factor' for most civil service / teaching / nursing type jobs that are covered by a union. (In general.) The '80 factor' is: "If age + experience = 80 you get your full 70% pension". So it's not like you don't have to slog away for 30 years to get that 70% rate. If you don't make your factor and retire you usually take penalties. (It gets formulated differently, but the general rule holds.)