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USA Today’s race and inclusion editor Hemal Jhaveri published a Medium post Friday revealing that she was fired this week for recklessly tweeting that mass shooters are “always angry white men” amid Monday’s massacre in Boulder, Colorado, that left 10 people dead. Like many verified Twitter accounts, Jhaveri blamed the shooting, with no evidence, on white men; it turned out the suspect is of Syrian descent.

 

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True and deservedly given her position.

Caucasian male of Syrian descent would be the correct way to describe the shooter.
 
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Goes to show, racism crosses all ethnic boundaries.

I am Asian and can say we are probably as racist as any other ethnic group. The local slurs to refer to caucasians, south East Asians and blacks I learned from my grandparents.

Unfortunately for caucasians, you are in the spotlight at this moment in history and are being called out for everything that is done now and in the past couple hundred years.
 

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From the same thread. The graph shows that the vast majority of "mass public shooters" are white, although whites are indeed somewhat under under-represented in proportion to their % of the population as a whole.

Good old Andy Ngo claims the population of "mass shooters" is diverse, yet loads his graphic with a majority of Black faces.

From the attached links, definitions of "mass shootings" varies and there is a differentiation between these and "mass public shootings" where the victims are apparently selected indiscriminately. My guess is that most of those that Ngo shows are gang-bangers who were involved in gang shootouts where 3 or 4 were killed / injured. These are not the sort of random death events that make the news world-wide.


 
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From the same thread. The graph shows that the vast majority of "mass public shooters" are white, although whites are indeed somewhat under under-represented in proportion to their % of the population as a whole.

Good old Andy Ngo claims the population of "mass shooters" is diverse, yet loads his graphic with a majority of Black faces
Andy's pic is just mass shooters from 2019. The graph runs from 1998 to 2018.
The reason Andy's pic is more diverse is because of increase in multiculturism in the US from 1998 to now (especially latinos)
 

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From the same thread. The graph shows that the vast majority of "mass public shooters" are white, although whites are indeed somewhat under under-represented in proportion to their % of the population as a whole.

Good old Andy Ngo claims the population of "mass shooters" is diverse, yet loads his graphic with a majority of Black faces.

From the attached links, definitions of "mass shootings" varies and there is a differentiation between these and "mass public shootings" where the victims are apparently selected indiscriminately. My guess is that most of those that Ngo shows are gang-bangers who were involved in gang shootouts where 3 or 4 were killed / injured. These are not the sort of random death events that make the news world-wide.
Mass shooting perpetrators are extremely racially and ethnically diverse. That stands as fact.

Whites are underrepresented. Blacks, Asians, and Middle Easterners are overrepresented. This is unknown by Joe Blow Citizen because of how information is disseminated by the mass media. Joe Blow Citizen is not an academic and its his/her ignorance that allows the mainstream media to hoodwink Joe Citizen into believing obscene false narratives. Joe Blow doesn't have time to sift thru fact from fiction. He's busy working 9 to 5, raising a family, and swallows whatever he sees on TV because it's convenient.

Oh and minor detail, your chart looks at mass shootings from 1998 - 2018. The photo by Andy is regarding shooters in 2019. Sorry that the killers don't look the way you want them to.
 
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Andy's pic is just mass shooters from 2019. The graph runs from 1998 to 2018.
The reason Andy's pic is more diverse is because of increase in multiculturism in the US from 1998 to now (especially latinos)
mandrill caught this but hopes TERB posters are too stupid to see it and call him out on it. He should know better by now.

It's deliberate 'error of omission' and it's the same tactic used by mass media to manipulate people into believing whatever agenda they're pushing.
 
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Goes to show, racism crosses all ethnic boundaries.

I am Asian and can say we are probably as racist as any other ethnic group. The local slurs to refer to caucasians, south East Asians and blacks I learned from my grandparents.

Unfortunately for caucasians, you are in the spotlight at this moment in history and are being called out for everything that is done now and in the past couple hundred years.
The problem is none of these words bother us even .0000000000001 %.
 
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I thought we're not allowed to keep race based statistics (e.g. racial profiling). So, why the chart?
 

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Mass shooting perpetrators are extremely racially and ethnically diverse. That stands as fact.

Whites are underrepresented. Blacks, Asians, and Middle Easterners are overrepresented. This is unknown by Joe Blow Citizen because of how information is disseminated by the mass media. Joe Blow Citizen is not an academic and its his/her ignorance that allows the mainstream media to hoodwink Joe Citizen into believing obscene false narratives. Joe Blow doesn't have time to sift thru fact from fiction. He's busy working 9 to 5, raising a family, and swallows whatever he sees on TV because it's convenient.

Oh and minor detail, your chart looks at mass shootings from 1998 - 2018. The photo by Andy is regarding shooters in 2019. Sorry that the killers don't look the way you want them to.
I have no desire that the shooters look any way at all. Stop projecting your own issues with "liberals" into me. My only interest is that the facts are properly represented.

I doubt that the 2019 stats are much different if at all to the stats in the 20 year block that went before. As mentioned, my guess is that Ngo took the definition of "mass shooting" as being at least 3 killed or wounded and used it to include a number of gangland shoot outs. Hence the inclusion of many minority shooters. That of course is not the public perception of the crimes in the news. These events appear to be defined more specifically in criminological texts as "mass public shootings". But again whites are slightly under represented in the latter category as well.
 

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I have no desire that the shooters look any way at all. Stop projecting your own issues with "liberals" into me. My only interest is that the facts are properly represented.

I doubt that the 2019 stats are much different if at all to the stats in the 20 year block that went before. As mentioned, my guess is that Ngo took the definition of "mass shooting" as being at least 3 killed or wounded and used it to include a number of gangland shoot outs. Hence the inclusion of many minority shooters. That of course is not the public perception of the crimes in the news. These events appear to be defined more specifically in criminological texts as "mass public shootings". But again whites are slightly under represented in the latter category as well.
Ngo says right on his twitter that mass shooting is defined as 4 or more people shot in one incident. How much more transparent can he get?

Re-arrange the definition in any way you want to fit what works for you.

I think the record holders in the US for mass murders, in the modern era, goes to the 9/11 twin tower killers. Maybe I'm wrong. They weren't white either.
 
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Andy's pic is just mass shooters from 2019. The graph runs from 1998 to 2018.
The reason Andy's pic is more diverse is because of increase in multiculturism in the US from 1998 to now (especially latinos)
Middle-easterners (which are usually muslims) represent only 0.4% of the population, yet commit almost 9% of all mass shootings
You have all the Al Quaeda killings from the 2000's there.
 

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Ngo says right on his twitter that mass shooting is defined as 4 or more people shot in one incident. How much more transparent can he get?

Re-arrange the definition in any way you want to fit what works for you.

I think the record holders in the US, in the modern era, goes to the 9/11 twin tower killers. Maybe I'm wrong. They weren't white either.
I'm not re arranging the definition. Criminology textbooks are. I'm just quoting them. They draw an academic distinction between mass shootings where the vics are known to the shooter and those where the vics are random. The latter is the news event most people key on.

So go read the links I posted above in my initial post before you start arguing. That's post #6.

You know, I'm trying to be forensically neutral here and just examine the statistics. I have no dog in the race. If whites are under-represented, then they're under represented. So why are you attacking me?
 

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There's another link about the distinction. So whites are slightly under-represented. But Ngo is also manipulating the definition to present an heavily Black graphic.


Dueling Demographics

But that doesn’t tell the whole story. Many news headlines suggest instead that white males account for most mass shootings. Newsweek, for instance, ran a story with the headline, “White men have committed more mass shootings than any other group.”


Politifact examined this claim and found it be technically true, with some important caveats:


Newsweek based its claim on data from Mother Jones, which defines a public mass shooting as an incident in which the motive appeared to be indiscriminate killing and a lone gunman took the lives of at least three people. Under this definition, Mother Jones found that non-Hispanic white men have been responsible for 54 percent of mass shootings since August 1982. Another tally, with a longer timeline and a different definition of mass shooting, found non-Hispanic white men make up 63 percent of these attacks. Under both definitions and datasets, white men have committed more mass shootings than any other ethnicity group. Newsweek’s claim is literally accurate. But it’s worth noting the imprecision of this data, and the percentage of mass shootings by white men is lower than their share of the male population, according to Mother Jones.


It’s also important to note that the Newsweek and Mother Jones analysis only examined one of the three types of mass shootings—public mass killings—which also happens to be the rarest type, though the kind most conforming to social assumptions and expectations.


Despite the widespread perception that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males, researchers have found that white men are not overrepresented among mass shooters. In other words, white men are no more likely than other male demographic to engage in a mass shooting. Daniel Engber, writing for Slate, noted that mass shooters are not disproportionately white male. He writes that “the notion that white men of privilege are disproportionately represented among mass shooters—indeed, that they make up ‘nearly all’ of them—is a myth.” A widely referenced analysis by Mother Jones (mentioned earlier) found that “white people weren’t overrepresented among mass shooters. The media outlet had found that roughly 70 percent of the shooters in mass killings were white—certainly a majority. But according to Census Bureau estimates for 2012, whites accounted for 73.9 percent of all Americans.” In other words, there are more white men in America than there are Asian, black, or Hispanic men, and therefore there are more white shooters. This, too, is unremarkable and expected, though the nuance is lost on many who claim, for example, that “90% of mass shootings are committed by whites.”


The Slate article goes into some detail about differing statistical analyses, and I recommend it for an insightful glimpse into just how different methodologies—each as valid as the next—can result in different numbers. In the end, Engber notes:


The whites-are-overrepresented-among-mass-shooters meme does serve a useful purpose in that it helps displace another myth about mass shootings: that they’re most often perpetrated by angry immigrants from travel-banned countries, and that nothing is more dangerous to America that the scourge of Islamic terrorism. … These are worthy ends, but we shouldn’t have to build another myth to reach them.”


In other words, as skeptics and critical thinkers know, debunking a myth with another myth is a problematic path. We can all agree that mass shootings are a serious social problem—and that the threat posed by immigrants and Muslims are often greatly exaggerated—without fabricating factoids about how common white (or black) male mass shooters are. It’s not a zero-sum game.


Men in general and across cultures commit more violence than women do—whether in the context of a mass shooting or a fistfight—so that’s no surprise. Beyond that, the collective data suggest that, across all three types of mass shootings, the races commit mass shootings at about what we’d expect based on their representative demographics. No single race emerges as an obvious mass shooter threat.


Nevertheless, some memes circulating on social media go so far as to claim that white males are solely responsible for mass shootings; one from Occupy Democrats circulating in July 2018 claimed “154 mass shootings this year and not one committed by a black man or an illegal alien. Let that sink in.” It’s a bold and damning claim—and it’s also completely false.
 
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Goes to show, racism crosses all ethnic boundaries.

I am Asian and can say we are probably as racist as any other ethnic group. The local slurs to refer to caucasians, south East Asians and blacks I learned from my grandparents.

Unfortunately for caucasians, you are in the spotlight at this moment in history and are being called out for everything that is done now and in the past couple hundred years.
Thanks for sharing that.

The progressive left in their pathological fashion are on a mission to demonize everybody that is Caucasian.

The simple fact of the matter is that racism or tribalism is an inherent human trait that crosses all boundaries.
 
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