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Record labels still don't get it!

lewd

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It's still too expensive. I know it's a start but these fat cats at record labels have been living the good life too long. Dropping the price to $15 won't stop the downloading of MP3's.
Once Apple Canada or Moontaxi begins offering songs (my guess is $1.39/song), no one will buy a CD. Most CD only contain two good songs anyways so why spend $15, when you can have what you want immediately for about $3.

To be competitive, all CD's should be at $10 (cdn), $12 max, for special releases.

http://globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031003.cdprices/BNStory/Business/
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Randy Lennox, president and chief executive officer of Universal Music Canada, said it is recommending that its hit CDs be priced at $14.99 and that older CDs be $18.99 while other older ones, such as Elton John, be $9.99.
 

gramage

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if it were 15 after taxes I'd maybe start buying CD's again (because it has been months since I successfully loaded a quality track from Kazaa), but until then I'll do without, even if I can't download free music.
 

shack

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It seems to me the cheapest prices for CD's in North America are at Yonge and Dundas.
 

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I'm just wondering why they haven't brought back CD singles? Granted a one song CD isn't going to sell but add in a few computer goodies and maybe the DVD version of the video (possibly a behind the scenes bonus portion) and market it for $7, then they may see an increase in sales.

I'm on side with the idea of not paying $20 or even the new capped $15 for a CD when you're only going to listen to 2 songs off of it.

Either start signing better bands (not the manufactured and overproduced crap we're subjected to now) or give better value for the dollar spent...if not, I'll see you all on Kazaa or it's successor.
 

The Bandit

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I've never downloaded music off the net, and never will. I buy my CD's, that's why I have something like 2,500(sorry lost count). Some musicians have worked all their lives to finally make a buck, and you guys/gals are downloading it at no cost.

There are some CD singles out there, but not many.

The classic stuff from the 60's, 70's, and 80's always sells. Most of the new stuff today won't last, 6 months from now no one wants it anymore.(That's from someone I know in the CD biz).
 

gramage

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HMV keeps a rack of the new CD singles now.
 
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As a matter of fact, record labels DO get it. That's why the panic regarding the RIAA.

Technology has been the great leveller in this industry and it won't be long before ALL artists take control of their own product by creating, packaging, and marketing the goods without the backing (or need, for that matter) of multi-national entertainment conglomerates.

I see this happening in stages. The first stage will occur in the retail sector. One way to combat digital downloading of product would be to provide the freedom of choice for the consumer. The biggest bone of contention (aside from price) is the dearth of quality material per CD release.

It won't be long before you find 'audio kiosks' in retail outlets that allow you to select each track from a variety of artists and instantly burn it to a disc, replete with printed insert. You don't even need an attendant to manage this as it would all be done via machine. Payment could easily be managed in much the same way by swiping your credit/debit card into the appropriate slot.

These machines would be connected via fibre optics to all of the major record labels. By distributing their product in this fashion, shipping costs would be reduced to nothing. Manufacturing costs would be negligable, at best. Idealy, this savings would then be passed on to the consumer. Voila! Not only do you have choice, but you now have economy of scale!

Soft consumables could then be slowly phased out of the equation, much like the phonograph record, cassette tape, and 8 track cartridge (remember those hideous things?). At the same time, the retail sector would not be entirely decimated by the onslaught of this new paradigm, provided that they are able to afford to install the new hi-tech machines. The great thing for retailers is they no longer have to maintain inventory as each point of sale becomes a direct download from the distributor. Parity for all...

The final stage that I see, is when the artist takes direct control. It's already occurring. This new direction took hold back in the early 90's when digital technology made major headway into the entertainment industry from a production stand point. Until the turn of the that decade, it was pretty much a rich man's play toy.

When the Macintosh computer was introduced as part of a Musical Instrument Digital Interface, the industry was stood on its ear. In an instant, composers were able to mimic 40 piece orchestras, all at the control of a keyboard. Soon after, digital recorders (tape based) were popping up like no tomorrow. Alesis brought the house down with the introduction of the ADAT recorder. Prices came crashing to the floor. Hard disc recorders soon followed, and at a much cheaper price.

Now, every Tom, Dick, and Harry was able to produce studio-quality demo recordings, all in the comfort of their basement, apartment, or garage. Other technological inovations soon followed and home 'project studios' became the rule as opposed to the exception. This is what spear-headed the hip-hop/rap movement. Artists began to experiment more and it no longer cost you your first born to produce a CD.

When I built my first studio, it cost me approximately $75,000 in gear. A scant 5 years prior, to build the same set-up (audio quality) would have cost me at least a quarter of a million. Today, you could pull it off for less than 50 grand.

All that being said, the need for the record label has out-lived its usefulness. Artists no longer require a million dollar cash advance to produce a CD. Juxtopose this with the fact that artists have been bending over for those said advances since time immemorial (in the form of high interest rates and gross penalties on what they consider promotional give-away's), and you've obviously got a serious revolt on your hands.

The internet provides the final piece to the puzzle. Without the need for a label's cash advance, all that the artist requires is a means to get the product to the people. Kazaa and the like have already acclimatized the majority of consumers with the idea of downloading music off the net. Artists simply have to set up their own websites to accomplish the same thing. Bottom line? Say goodbye to the middleman/rack jobber. And say goodnight to the fat-cat record exec.

All that remains is the need for a filter of sorts to separate the wheat from the chaff. Perhaps radio may still have a job after all! lol
 

zydeco

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Some interesting ideas here Marshall. Just wondering how long do you think it will be before the "audio kiosks" become a reality?
 
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5 years, perhaps 7 at most. If the copyright issue explodes, perhaps even 2 to 3 years. The technology is already there. We have machines that burn discs automatically in the thousands. They also provide ink-jet labeling direct to CD. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to re-program the on-board computer to accept random (manual) selection. Moreover, the machines are pretty compact and wouldn't require huge floor space to install.

Fibre optics would be the only major obstacle as not every community has this technology available to them at this juncture in time. Also, it would require the unification of a pretty competitive industry. But again, the piracy issues that plague them are more than enough to compel these yahoo's to sleep together, once and for all.

It's a foregone conclusion, in my opinion.
 

kashmir

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It's endemic in all aspects of entertainment. The insatiable greed and demand for ridiculously high salaries by artists costs us in all forms of entertainment. Movie ticket prices are too high, sports ticket prices are too high and CD prices are too high. It all boils down to an industry that just doesn't get it. Unfortunately toom many of us out there are sheep who still pay $13 to go watch third rate movies, $150 to watch horrible Raptors games and $20 to buy a crappy CD at HMV. It's bound to crash eventually, nice to see that at least the music industry is starting to move in the right direction, maybe not far enough but it's trying.
 

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Marshall Stack said:
Technology has been the great leveller in this industry and it won't be long before ALL artists take control of their own product by creating, packaging, and marketing the goods without the backing (or need, for that matter) of multi-national entertainment conglomerates.
I agree with pretty well all of what you say... I think CDs were originally/partially brought in so Sony could control the market (so many private labels were around for vinyl, bands pressing their own records, then suddenly you had only two places in the world that could manufacture CDs). I really do not think they ever foresaw the day that everyone would be burning in their own home.

All that remains is the need for a filter of sorts to separate the wheat from the chaff. Perhaps radio may still have a job after all! lol [/B]
Man, you are optimistic. Radio is so bad now... I have given up hope. I think it will be a different "on demand" avenue... people are no longer going to sit by the radio waiting for that "one song"...
 

lewd

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Marshall Stack said:
As a matter of fact, record labels DO get it. That's why the panic regarding the RIAA.

They only "got it" when they realized way too late what was screwing them up the a**!
And until recently have they reacted and are looking at ways to continue they're dominance.
 

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It just saddens me that so many people discard their morals and ethics when they can save themselves 20 bucks.
Regardless of the price being asked for recorded music, there is NO justification for stealing it.

Shame on you ALL!!
 

The Bandit

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One of the best places to buy 2nd hand CD's/DVD's is Dixie Records, in the Fabulous Flea Market at Dixie Outlet Mall. Sat & Sun only. I've been buying there for about 18 years.
 

Top Jimmy

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Where do I start?

18 years in the Music Industry here, and I'm on both sides of the issue.

For small market, independant etc types, see their gigs in clubs. Pay the damn cover charge. Most of it just covers the club cost. Buy their fucking CD's, that money covers about costs + some groceries.

For Justin "3 Escalades" Timberlake? Fat chance, regardless of what I think of his music.

I am an avid collector of music. Financial circumstances (frequent bouts of lapdances) have forced me to trim the collection down to 1200+CD, 1500+LP, 500 or so CS and 2 dozen 8 tracks. :)

I make my own CD's from CDs that I own. If the music is only on Cass or LP, I download it. Hell, I paid that artist once.

Do I download music? Yes. I have gone out to buy an artist's album, been unable to find it in every store in my city, nobody stocks it? I'm downloading it. I tried. Do I download anything else? Yes. Live-to-air broadcasts of DJ club sets. I have about 150 CD's worth of some of the top DJ's in the world: Paul Oakenfold, Timo Maas, dj Tiesto, Tall Paul etc etc etc. They're not available on CD in North America, I'm downloading.

The new (your band goes here) CD is out. Can I get this CD at a reasonable price to support this artist? Yes? I'm buying. No? I'm doing without.

RIAA can kiss my ass.
 
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