http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...-never-be-a-case-against-the-rehtaeh-parsons/
Not as easy as it looks...
Not as easy as it looks...
Rehtaeh Parsons: why there will never be a case
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No, it certainly is not easy. If it was, there would have been charges already. Instead we have people jumping to conclusions, to take sides and to use the sad event to gain political advantage.
But something terrible did happen at that party among those almost-adults who were too alcohol-addled and inexperienced to handle it. Unfortunately one set of parents can't any longer do anything to make their kids future better. Let's hope the other parents do.
I have small hope: If we're still trying to get some people to be adult enough to accept that 'No means No', it'll be a forever before they realize that adults know 'yes doesn't always mean yes'. And somewhere in that confusion, awash in booze, was what happened at that party that night.
I think that the really regretable actions happened in the subsequent days and stems from the double standard where it is ok for boys to be sexually active ("sluts" ) and not girls. This combined with the viciousness of teenagers armed with the power of social media resulted in a very sad outcome.
Doesn't sound as if the cops thought there was a case and if you believe what is in the Post there likely wasn't a rape. The parents are obviously not willing to accept this and have politisized it with the media contributing because of the sensationalism. Sad stuff all around, none of which is going to end up helping anyone at this point.
and most recently, any attempt by those in power to reduce bullying has been watered down to trying to pass a law prohibiting pics that are sexual in nature. wait till they try to define that. this poor girl is just one of thousands. bullying is harassment. we have laws on the books right now. but there is no willingness to stop it unless the lobby group is strong (gay). there's no lobby group for young girls.
Blatchford always knows how to throw fuel on the fire.
How is it that she was flirtatious with two boys inviting rape?
Is it any less rape if it was non-consensual with 1 or 3 or 4?
Blatchford is a very dangerous columnist always using her platform to harm and injure. She should just report the news rather than pass moral judgement.
There were three crimes in this incident: 1) rape, 2) child porn, 3) bullying. Now whether each on its own, meets the legal threshold of "reasonable and probable conviction" may be debatable, and the boys may get lucky to slip through the law, by not meeting the threshold on each. But on aggregate, there is no doubt, those boys and the bullies killed a 15 yo girl. That's a crime.
How is it that she was flirtatious with two boys inviting rape?
Is it any less rape if it was non-consensual with 1 or 3 or 4?
Blatchford is a very dangerous columnist always using her platform to harm and injure. She should just report the news rather than pass moral judgement.
There were three crimes in this incident: 1) rape, 2) child porn, 3) bullying. Now whether each on its own, meets the legal threshold of "reasonable and probable conviction" may be debatable, and the boys may get lucky to slip through the law, by not meeting the threshold on each. But on aggregate, there is no doubt, those boys and the bullies killed a 15 yo girl. That's a crime.
The problem is that it may not be a crime at least in there being sufficient and clear enough evidence to secure a conviction. Further the behaviour to be punished needs to be criminal, something may be reprehensible without being criminal, both the Premier of Nova Scotia and her parents acknowledge that when they say that they are pushing for changes to the Criminal Code that would outlaw so-called “revenge porn.”
Where I wouldn't be able to disagree with you, since it would be a statement of opinion, would be if you changed the above to "But on the aggregate, to my mind there is no doubt that those boy and the bullies are responsible for the death of a 15 yo girl"
Its very complicated and not so black and white....................apperently
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/B...arsons+case+more+than+side/8299353/story.html
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/B...arsons+case+more+than+side/8299353/story.html
If they do slip through the court of law, then they do deserve to be judged by the court of public/moral opinion.
(don't want this to turn into another "Well, I'm a lawyer thread".)
That's why we uphold "Innocent till proven guilty" - to prevent people like you forming lynch mobs.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...ther-responds-to-christie-blatchfords-column/
The N Post had the good grace to publish the parent's response to Blatchford. She's always been a loose cannon but to be so insensitive to such a horrible tragedy is morally disgusting. Just because someone can write (and she is good writer) doesn't mean she should be passing her opinions on a public national syndicated paper.
The N Post had the good grace to publish the parent's response to Blatchford. She's always been a loose cannon but to be so insensitive to such a horrible tragedy is morally disgusting. Just because someone can write (and she is good writer) doesn't mean she should be passing her opinions on a public national syndicated paper.
How are you certain that there actually was a rape? Are you privy to information the cops didn't have? The crime may very well be limited to the bullying. Your jumping to conclusions is far more dangerous than the Post. Perhaps yopu should follow your own advice and read something before you opine in such a single-minded and slanted a manner and before jumping on other members with their own points of view.
Is seeking the truth being unsensitive? Only in your world I guess. What are you going to do if a re-opening comes to the same conclusion as the original investigation ? Or are you of the opinion than the male is always guilty of rape when the real crime could very easily have been the bullying by her peers and not the sex
Often the worst enemies of young girls are other young girls. Did you see what young girls did to that young girl in Steubenville after she complained to the police?
You'll notice most of my venom is for Blatchford, as she is using her public platform to shape public opinion against the victim. Read the parent's response, read some other articles. You'll see Blatchford twists some facts and hide some truths.
Sorry, but sometimes in life there are injustices that just can't be accepted if you are a victim or their families. Good old frontier justice has to be taken, eye for an eye, live by the sword die by the sword, however you want to put it, sometimes victims or their families just have to go and take care of business themselves and the hell with the "justice" system. I know a lot of people don't believe taking the law into your own hands is the right thing to do but I believe it's justified in certain situations like this one. Just my opinion no matter what anybody else thinks of vigilante justice.
You don't know what the truth is , no one does at this point. If anyone has a vested interest in twisting the truth it is the parents sadly to say. They are the ones desperately trying to lay the blame on anyone other than themselves. It's a fairly common response to families who have experienced a suicide. While my heart goes out to them it is no reason to railroad the boys if they are not guilty of anything. The real criminals maybe the girls in her school who made life miserable.
Irrespective of the alleged crime/incident, what Blatchford did was wrong, and morally reprehensible. Apparently Twitterverse has exploded condemning her piece today:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...h-courtesy-those-who-dont-believe-in-alleged/
I hope there is a fair trial for the victim and the accused, but Blatchford's "slut-shaming" article was just wrong.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...h-courtesy-those-who-dont-believe-in-alleged/
I hope there is a fair trial for the victim and the accused, but Blatchford's "slut-shaming" article was just wrong.
I believe he did. It may not be original but it is true.
Also Saxon if you are going to advocate embracing vigilante justice, then also expect those who accept your advice to spend a long time imprisoned themselves.
That is different from wrongful death suits or saying to those who ask, I will never stop believing that X is responsible for my daughter's death.
Hmm, I saw nothing wrong with the article. Merely because a whole bunch of people on the "twitterverse" have strong opinions doesn't mean that they either know much about what they are commenting about, or are correct.
It's called public opinion, You don't have to agree with it, but you must respect where it comes from; a societal conscience. Otherwise you'll just be a troll accumulating 34K+ posts on Terb....
