relative risks - BBFS vs BBBJ

[lustyhombre]

Conventional Wisdom seems to say : BBBJ is low risk ( i.e. acceptable ) but BBFS is high risk ( i.e. avoid at all cost ) .

Why would it be wrong to argue that the risk level should be the same , since the bodily fluids exchanged or intermingled are the same in either orifice ??

I'd appreciate comments from Terbies who are medically qualified and know the facts , not those who just repeat hearsay ...

 

[pete58]

BBBJ vs. BBFS

Conventional Wisdom seems to say : BBBJ is low risk ( i.e. acceptable ) but BBFS is high risk ( i.e. avoid at all cost ) .

Why would it be wrong to argue that the risk level should be the same , since the bodily fluids exchanged or intermingled are the same in either orifice ??

I'd appreciate comments from Terbies who are medically qualified and know the facts , not those who just repeat hearsay ...

To be honest, before I started hobbying I never imagined that I would want to BBFS. Once I started I found myself really wanting to go down there, so I did some research online, just like I do everything else. What I managed to determine (and it's just my assessment IMO) is that assuming the SP does not have any open wounds (or the client - there) in her mouth there is very little risk to her, and none to the the client. As to BBFS there is a sightly higher risk to the client, but assuming thier is no blood exchange, the risk seems to be more of the STD (which can be bad enough).
Bottom line, I hope and beleive that the benefits of TERB probably keep us on the mainstream and the ladies clean & STD free. So I'm a little more comfortable with it now.
BUT! the reality is the ultimate protection is (and I hate it like all of you) is CBJ and no BBFS - so that's my 2 cents.

 

[yoniluvrca]

Actually, I would think that bbbj is higher risk as most vaginas have no sharp objects that can cause nicks & scratches.

In any case, it is the woman who is at much higher risk with both bbbj & bbfs.Semen is know to carry hiv, while saliva & vaginal fluids are but unsure carriers of hiv.

In anycase-use the condom...

 

[rama putri]

I'd appreciate comments from Terbies who are medically qualified and know the facts , not those who just repeat hearsay ...

Wishful thinking?

 

[papasmerf]

Aids is passed in body fluids. my guess is ya just can't digest it.

 

[lustyhombre]

Wishful thinking?

Unfortunately , it seems you're right, judging from what I've seen so far....

Thanks for all the "I believe " or " I guess " comments , but is there really nobody out there in TERB-land qualified to express a valid professional opinion ???

 

[ruck]

Unfortunately , it seems you're right, judging from what I've seen so far....

Thanks for all the "I believe " or " I guess " comments , but is there really nobody out there in TERB-land qualified to express a valid professional opinion ???

I think where you went wrong was to ask a Terb member to possibly give away a part of his secret personal life. It's a minor thing, but to say "I'm a doctor" is a bit personal. More so then just saying nothing at all.

Plus there is so much you can read online, outside of adult forums, about the subject that there really is no need for your inquiry for "educated" and "knowledgable" opinions. Just find it yourself. Otherwise, the armchair doctors will be out in full force.
Cheers.

 

[tboy]

Here's a suggestion, if you don't want common knowledge answers:

Why not ask YOUR doctor? That way you'd get THE medical opinion that you are asking for......

 

[Starbuck]

Here's a suggestion, if you don't want common knowledge answers:

Why not ask YOUR doctor? That way you'd get THE medical opinion that you are asking for......

Haha You said it before me!!
Who cares about the RELATIVE risks, just the fact that you dont want to use a condom makes it a risk in itself.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Aids is passed in body fluids. my guess is ya just can't digest it.

It is killed almost instantly outside of blood or semen. That is why so few heterosexual cases if not sharing drug needles. HIV is not a major issue for most folks here.

But other STD's are vastly more serious including Hepititus for which everyone should have their 3 shot series since very easy to get and you don't know you have it till liver damage is done. Yes, Ihave had my shots.

Herpes probably biggest real risk of something you can't cure, although most people with it have no recurrent outbreaks but for some can be serious.

Other STD's mosty easy to cure IF you know you have it. Risk higher for women if goes undetected and men can pass it on to women not knowing they have an STD.

 

[Cassini]

BBBJ is safer, but still has risks

Conventional Wisdom seems to say : BBBJ is low risk ( i.e. acceptable ) but BBFS is high risk ( i.e. avoid at all cost ) .

My understanding, is that the current theory is that saliva tends to kill the AIDS virus. Saliva, and stomach acid are designed to kill bacteria and viruses. Essentially all food contains some bacterial and viral contamination. Saliva and stomach acid are designed to suppress (but not completely eliminate) many types of bacteria and viruses, so we don't get sick every time we eat.

That said, if blood or open wounds are present, it is thought (but unproven) that AIDS can spread in the mouth from blood to blood contact.

Other diseases have properties that allow them to survive in saliva and/or stomach acid. These include the obvious examples of stuff like E.Coli (Walkerton) and Cholera (3rd World). Some STDs can be spread this way as well, like gonorrhea.

Vaginal secretions do not have the same properties as saliva. Vaginal secretions do suppress many types of bacteria, however they do not pose significant barriers to sexually transmitted diseases.

Anal sex tends to result in semen to blood and blood to blood contact (worse for the reciever.) Most transmissable diseases can be transmitted via blood to blood contact. As such, it permits the spread of almost all transmissable diseases. Even if blood to blood contact is not present, semen to blood contact encourages the spread of many STDs. Some cases have shown that anal sex (rape) can result in disease (ex. AIDS, Hepatitis C) transmission after one encounter.

Simply put, each transmissable disease has its own preferred method of transmission. The preferred method of transmission for sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) is SEX. Hence, the recommendation to avoid BBFS to avoid STDs.

Oral sex is still a form of SEX, so many STDs will still spread through oral sex, however oral sex is not the preferred method of transmission. This will make transmission more difficult, but not impossible.

 

[pete58]

Great Info

My understanding, is that the current theory is that saliva tends to kill the AIDS virus. Saliva, and stomach acid are designed to kill bacteria and viruses. Essentially all food contains some bacterial and viral contamination. Saliva and stomach acid are designed to suppress (but not completely eliminate) many types of bacteria and viruses, so we don't get sick every time we eat.

That said, if blood or open wounds are present, it is thought (but unproven) that AIDS can spread in the mouth from blood to blood contact.

Other diseases have properties that allow them to survive in saliva and/or stomach acid. These include the obvious examples of stuff like E.Coli (Walkerton) and Cholera (3rd World). Some STDs can be spread this way as well, like gonorhea.

Vaginal secretions do not have the same properties as saliva. Vaginal secretions do suppress many types of bacteria, however they do not pose significant barriers to sexually transmitted diseases.

Anal sex tends to result in semen to blood and blood to blood contact (worse for the reciever.) Most transmissable diseases can be transmitted via blood to blood contact. As such, it permits the spread of almost all transmissable diseases. Even if blood to blood contact is not present, semen to blood contact encourages the spread of many STDs. Some cases have shown that anal sex (rape) can result in disease (ex. AIDS, Hepatitis C) transmission after one encounter.

Simply put, each transmissable disease has its own preferred method of transmission. The preferred method of transmission for sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) is SEX. Hence, the recommendation to avoid BBFS to avoid STDs.

Oral sex is still a form of SEX, so many STDs will still spread through oral sex, however oral sex is not the preferred method of transmission. This will make transmission more difficult, but not impossible.

Now that was informative, I got more out of that than the time I spent doing research on the Internet, Thanks

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Cassini - good details. I agree with all.

 

[m91us]

This is a good question. It is actually one of many I asked during my visits at the hassle free clinic in Toronto. The reason why vaginal sex and anal sex is high risk is that the thrusting can cause a tear in your tissue or her tissue. Thus creating an open wound which allows semen or vaginal fluid to enter the blood stream of the individual with the tear. So a tear from thrusting, bodily fluid mixing with the blood stream are the key conditions. Mind you, one of you have to be infected to be consider a risk factor. As for BBBJ, she is more at risk from the semen getting into her blood stream if she offers BBBJTC. Most hobbyist are not receiving BBBJTC. Therefore the risk is kept to a minimum. To give you an idea, BBBJ is the ground floor of a building with a hundred floors, BBFS and anal sex would be consider at the highest floor of that building. Be a responsible hobbyist by getting in a habit of receiving information from the source (individuals working in the medical profession). You should verify what's written here with your doctor. While you are verifying my information go get your hepB shots.

 

[lustyhombre]

Thank you , Cassini.

Your concise overview confirms much of what I have heard so far, albeit piecemeal. Your diction suggests you know the subject well, i.e. I don't feel the need to ask for your credentials.

Thank you, Dave . You summarize CV pretty well ( as usual )

Lastly : Thank you , Selina. Obviously, your credentials are well established ....
Your personal and professional wellbeing depends upon you mastering the subject better than any of us , so that you minimize your exposure to risk to an acceptable level. Obviously, you've been doing that successfuly for some time now.....
When did I last see you ? Has it really been that long ? Expect a call soon.....

 

[train]

Here's a suggestion, if you don't want common knowledge answers:

Why not ask YOUR doctor? That way you'd get THE medical opinion that you are asking for......

I wouldn't rely on the familiy doctor for this advise. Shockingly they don't know that much about it. When in doubt they just tell you to be safe ....which you already know so what's the point.


BBBJ is low risk for the male, slightly higher for the female. BBFS is high risk for both.

Never understood guys who insist on cbj but want DFK and DATY.

 

[papasmerf]

I wouldn't rely on the familiy doctor for this advise. Shockingly they don't know that much about it. When in doubt they just tell you to be safe ....which you already know so what's the point.


BBBJ is low risk for the male, slightly higher for the female. BBFS is high risk for both.

Never understood guys who insist on cbj but want DFK and DATY.

Doctors know more then you and I

but is you are in doubt check with the CDC on Aids

 

[train]

Doctors know more then you and I

but is you are in doubt check with the CDC on Aids

BBBJ is very very low risk for aids mainly because saliva is a very poor transmitter. That is well known. Herpes is the bigger risk.

I stand by my comment that most GP's are not all that knowledgeable about transmittal risks. They are more knowledgeable about treatment which is quite a different matter.

 

[therocket]

BBBJ RISKS ? Client and SP?

For the SP - obviously semen could result in Aids...
For the Client - what if the SP has seen clients just before and did BBBJCIMTC and there was semen in her mouth and this was transmitted to the next client...would the AIDS virus have died already or is the lifespan too short?

clarification anyone?

 

[frankcastle]

Just a thought..... I noticed that there are some varying opinions on transmission of STDs etc. Why isn't there a sticky with links to STD info on this board, wouldn't that make sense?

Or for the guys wondering this stuff why not google it.

Just for interests sake I believe it is possible for a person to have genital warts in the throat and you could contract them from recieving oral sex.

The point is that while safer in terms of HIV/AIDs transmission the throat is still a breeding ground for other diseases.

I realize most of us are most concerned about AIDS because it is lethal but so is giving your SO warts.