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Rick Vaive is an asshole!

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NEWMARKET, Ont. - Former Toronto Maple Leafs captain Rick Vaive broke his own rule about drinking and driving two years ago, on the day he was arrested and charged by police, court heard Friday.

Vaive, 52, took the stand for a second day after pleading not guilty to impaired driving and driving with over 80 milligrams of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood.

"What would you say is your limit for drinking and driving?" Crown attorney Jon Fuller asked him in court.

"I would say probably anything over six would be my limit," Vaive replied. "My rule is three, actually."

"Can you remember an occurrence when you broke that rule?"

"The date in question, July 14," Vaive said.

Vaive, looking deeply tanned in a dark grey pinstripe suit and blue tie, said he took the wheel after having six beers at a golf game on July 14, 2009.

He was arrested that night in Vaughan, Ont., just north of Toronto. Police have said his blood alcohol level was more than twice the legal limit.

Later in his testimony Friday, Vaive backpedalled, saying he meant three drinks over less than two hours was his rule.

The former NHL player maintained he wasn't drunk and felt fine to drive from the golf course in Gravenhurst, Ont., to his home in Oakville, Ont., which is about a three-hour trip.

The game was part of a two-day trip with several other former hockey players, including Dennis Maruk and Bill Derlago. The group had played a round of golf the previous day and played poker until 4:30 a.m. before hitting the course for their 1 p.m. tee time, Vaive said.

Court heard Vaive has chronic joint pain as well as sleep apnea, which requires him to sleep with a ventilator. Vaive said he also takes anti-anxiety medication, but the dose is too low to affect his driving.

Earlier in the week, court saw a video of Vaive in a police station, wearing a golf shirt and urine-stained shorts.

In his testimony, Vaive said he suffers from a bladder condition that makes it difficult to control his urination and forces him to carry empty Gatorade bottles in his car.

"When I've got to go, I've got to go quick," and it's not always possible to reach a bathroom in time, he said Friday, squirming in his seat.

Vaive said he wet himself that night because the bottle was already full. Asked why he didn't stop to change clothes, he replied: "I was going home and I wasn't uncomfortable."

Fuller argued Vaive "wasn't thinking clearly" because of the alcohol he'd consumed, but the former hockey player denied the allegation.

Under questioning, Vaive said he didn't know how many drinks it would take to get him drunk, "because I haven't been drunk in some time."

The last time he could remember was his 50th birthday party, about two months before his arrest, when he drank between 15 and 20 beers over roughly seven hours, he said.

Court also heard from Trevor Whiffen, Vaive's agent, whom he called from the police station. Whiffen said his client didn't appear drunk when they spoke.

"He appeared lucid and his speech was not slurred," Whiffen said.

If convicted, Vaive could face for each charge a minimum fine of $1,000 and maximum of five years in prison for a first offence.

Vaive became the first Maple Leaf to score 50 goals in a season, recording 54 in 1981-82. He went on to surpass the 50-goal plateau the following two seasons.

The trial, which is by judge alone, has now been adjourned until February due to scheduling issues.
 

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In no way did I say that the TMLs would condone this behaviour by past or present employees.

Rick Vaive is the asshole and I hope he gets prison time.
 

GPIDEAL

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He fucked up, but why is he an asshole for this? I've heard other reasons.
 

mandrill

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He is clearly rather silly to contest what appears a slam-dunk case for the Crown with a weak defence. There's a time to hold 'em and a time to fold 'em. But no more stupid than many other stupid accused guys.

It's not clear if he's being tried summarily in Provincial Court or whether the Crown has elected to try him on indictment in Superior Court. The latter choice would be odd and unusual, but that's the only occasion the accused would have the right to choose whether he's tried by jury or by judge, as suggested by the article.
 
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Six Coors Lite in 5 1/2 hours would not make Vaive blow twice the legal limit. Someone is lying here.....
 

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I'm confused - what is his defence? He is admitting to six beeers.
It sounds like the Carter defence but I`m pretty sure that was shot down a while ago.

6 beers over numerous hours couldn`t have resulted in such a high reading so the machine or operator much have been faulty.

It is hard to believe that people used to get off with that.
Anybody who would expect to use such a riciculous defence should have to submit to a lie detector test.
 

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If he admitted to six beers, it probably means he actually drank a dozen.

This is the same guy who testified for Rob Ramage who killed Keith Magnussen. Drunken Leafs who drive are part of our culture - let's raise a donut and salute Tim Horton.
 

mandrill

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It sounds like the Carter defence but I`m pretty sure that was shot down a while ago.

6 beers over numerous hours couldn`t have resulted in such a high reading so the machine or operator much have been faulty.

It is hard to believe that people used to get off with that.
Anybody who would expect to use such a ridiculous defence should have to submit to a lie detector test.
They amended the Criminal Code so that you cannot use that defence any more.
 

fmahovalich

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6 beers.....hmmm..

Lets see...probably 8 beers.... and if KING cans..as is usual on a golf course....Now we are at 10 without even trying.

He was up late night before..therefore likely not having eaten in a regualr time slot..all affects the reading.

The guy was pissed!!

He is doing what we all would do...TRY AND BEAT IT!!! It is just that the media bites on this one!
 

mandrill

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I think the embarrassing details of this trial are doing more damage to his image than a guilty plea would have done. :Eek:
The fact that he is now a pants-pisser of national notoriety is itself a blow to his image.
 
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