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Questor

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SMYTH DEALT OVER $100K GAP?

EDMONTON SUN: Terry Jones reports a source claims only $100,000.00 seperated the Oilers from re-signing Ryan Smyth. "The Oilers had agreed to go up to $5.4 million (all terms US) per year. But Meehan, according to the source, said refusd to move from $5.5 million per year over five years with a no-trade contract", writes Jones.

Spector's Note: It was this unwillingness to budge on both sides that leads me to conclude Smyth won't be re-signing with them this summer. Here's what I wrote to one of my readers about this: "The Oilers had until June 30th to negotiate exclusively with Smyth. So why did they allow , or force, deadline day to be the deadline day for Smyth? It makes no sense...

Second, just how quickly Smyth was dealt. It all came down to the 11th hour,
and the return was, quite frankly, disappointing. It all went down way too
fast, because Lowe knew Smyth would walk to free agency if the Oilers
wouldn't meet his price. He knew Smyth and his agent weren't coming down
from their asking price and that Smyth would walk after this season. Lowe
didn't want to lose him for nothing, as he knew ownership wouldn't approve
Smyth's asking price."

I realize that Smyth has left open the possibility of re-signing, but if he wants that to happen, he'll have to come down considerably in his asking price, because I doubt the Oilers will offer him $5.4 million (or whatever the hell it was, there's so many numbers flying around of late on this) in June.

http://spectorshockey.tripod.com/spectors_trade_rumours.html

In today's Star, there is a picture of Ryan crying at the airport on his way to NY. What an idiot! With the salary cap in the new CBA, stars are going to have to learn that when they demand $6 million a year, there is nothing left to pay the rest of the team. So they can continue their greedy ways, go into the free agent market and squeeze every dollar they can get. Or they can suffer through a long term $5 million contract and stay with a team they have had a rewarding relationship with for a number of years. That would have been so rough for Ryan...$5.4 a year for 5 years with a no trade clause. Ryan has no one to blame but himself and his own desire to prioritize $$$ over everything else.
 

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I've always thought he was over-rated. Has only topped 70 pts once and never hit the 40 goal plateau. He is not worth 5.5million if you ask me.
 

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He'll re-sign in Edmonton over the summer. He'll be an unrestricted free agent.

In a few months we'll be talking about how stupid the Islanders were in February. Gave up top draft picks, Ryan O'Marra, got knocked out of the playoffs in the first round by New Jersey or Buffalo, and lost Smyth back to the Oilers.

Wong and Snow are complete morons.
 

Questor

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I see now that most of the relevant discussion is already underway in another thread. I agree with dj that giving away draft picks and prospects for rental players in the short term is foolhardy.

But I think the more important issue here is that Smyth got greedy so he got traded because the Oilers didn't want to lose him without getting compensation. As has already been pointed out in the other thread, contrast Smyth with Tucker, who, it seems, took a significant pay cut to stay put where he likes it.
 

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Highly paid athletes who cry when traded is truly pathetic.
 

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Questor said:
As has already been pointed out in the other thread, contrast Smyth with Tucker, who, it seems, took a significant pay cut to stay put where he likes it.
Come on dude! Are you really comparing what Smyth meant to the Oilers with what Tucker means to the Leafs? There is no comparison. Smyth was, and will be again, the heart and soul of the Oilers. Tucker is. . . well. . . not the same for the Leafs.
 

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dj1470 said:
Come on dude! Are you really comparing what Smyth meant to the Oilers with what Tucker means to the Leafs? There is no comparison. Smyth was, and will be again, the heart and soul of the Oilers. Tucker is. . . well. . . not the same for the Leafs.
No, I am not comparing Smyth and Tucker. I am contrasting them. I don't know enough about Smyth and the Oilers to compare, except what I have seen in the last couple of days. I don't know that much about Tucker either, except that he is having a career year, that his body is taking a pounding, he's getting old, and that he could have signed for more if he had tested the free agent market over the summer.
 

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Think of it as a house sale:

The buyer is interested in a house that is asking $350,000. The buyer assumes the the seller is willing to go down to $325,000 which is as high as he can go.

The seller is willing to go down no less than to $340,000 and assumes any buyer will come in with his first offer at $330,000 and they'll split in the middle at the $340,000 he's willing to drop down to.

But instead, the buyer offers $310,000. This goes back and forth until the buyer has come up to exceed his max by saying $327,500 final offer. The seller comes down below what his minimum was and is willing to take $332,500 final offer. Neither budges and the deal falls apart.

Upon first glance, it's easy to say they were only $5,000 apart and it was stupid that they let it collapse over such a small amount, less than 2% of a sale price. But the fact of the matter is that for each party, they have moved $17,500 from their starting points and in fact have each stretched themselves beyond what their final limit was supposed to be.

The point is I highly doubt the negotiations opened with the Oilers offering $5.4 mill and Smyth said no, it has to be $5.5, which is what the headline implies.

More likely each side had it's maximum and minimum and both went as far as they were willing to go. Whether it was $100,000, a million dollars or $1, it reaches a point where there are no more negotiations, take it or leave it.

Meaning therefore that they were NOT $100,000 apart, there was a much more significant gap and that was as close as they could get before the trade deadline approached and Lowe decided enough was enough. Given the Oilers had a deadline to decide, it's not surprising the deal would fall apart even if they were "close".

Just because it's in the paper doesn't make it neccissarily true. Negotiations are a multi-layered, multi-faceted process and isn't quite as simple as a five word headline and 400 word article would lead its readers to believe.
 

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Questor said:
Does this house have a pool? What appliances are included?
lol

If you're JFJ and the Leafs, it doesn't have to have anything. Ask $350,000 and they'll offer you $400,000 and they'll throw in their new car.
 

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The Oilers screwed themselves..

..as that bald headed freak Pierre McGuire so correctly pointe dout, why did the Oilers not set a contract deadline with Smyth befor the trade deadline?..then they could have offered him to the highest bidder..instead they got less for Smyth than the Blues got for Thachuk...and Thachuk isn't close o the player Smyth is..

N2G
 

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Not sure if they got less.

Edmonton - Nilsson -1st rd 2003, O'Mara 1st rd 2005 and 1st rd 2008

St Louis - Metropolit - 4th line player at best, 1st rd 2007, 3rd rd 2007 and a 2nd rd 2008
 

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BlahBlah said:
lol

If you're JFJ and the Leafs, it doesn't have to have anything. Ask $350,000 and they'll offer you $400,000 and they'll throw in their new car.
so true, McBaby asks for $5M, - thats not enough! - so JFJ counters with $5.7M and a no movement clause! :mad:
 

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Ryan Smyth loves Edmonton, but that doesn't mean that he get's along with Kevin Lowe.
 

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guess you better look at Metropolit again..

bendova said:
Not sure if they got less.

Edmonton - Nilsson -1st rd 2003, O'Mara 1st rd 2005 and 1st rd 2008

St Louis - Metropolit - 4th line player at best, 1st rd 2007, 3rd rd 2007 and a 2nd rd 2008

...just because he isnt a household name...he is not a fourth line center...more like a 2nd line...his stats were among the better ones for centres on the Thrashers..I still maintain the Oilers did not get enough for Smyth...
 

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So if they don't trade him and he walks, then what do they get???

And Metropolit a 2nd liner? LMAO 30 pts in 60 games and you think he is a 2nd line center. My stats would be good on Atlanata, we'll see what he does in St Louis
 

new2game

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Hey Bendova..

bendova said:
So if they don't trade him and he walks, then what do they get???

And Metropolit a 2nd liner? LMAO 30 pts in 60 games and you think he is a 2nd line center. My stats would be good on Atlanata, we'll see what he does in St Louis
...I didn't say he was a 2nd line centre..just that he was Atlanta's 2nd line centre..

..You're right..we'll have to see what he does in St Louis..but I'll still stand that had the Oilers let the rest of the NHL know that Smyth was truly available before the trading deadline, they would have been able to cause a bidding war for his services...even as a rent-a-player.

N2G
 

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Mr. Smyth may be crying on his way to NY but he will be laughing all the way to the bank soon no matter where he goes. :cool: LOL!!!
 
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